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has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
doodle-v
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has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Tue, 03 Jun 2003 19:34:00 GMT
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Does anyone know the answer to this? has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the org? I've heard of many cases against them, but i'm curious to know if any have been successful.
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blondie
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Tue, 03 Jun 2003 19:52:00 GMT
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![]() Post 4024 of 30964 Since 5/28/2001 |
http://www.challengemin.org/html%20pages/mar1995.htmCharles Russell v. Brooklyn Daily Eagle In 1911 Charles Russell very foolishly and naively allowed two of his followers to persuade him that they had found a farmer who grew "miracle wheat" (wheat that produced a much greater yield than any other variety). The Watchtower Society received 30 bushels of this wheat to be sold at one dollar per pound as seed grain. The sale gained the Society about $1800 dollars (a very substantial sum in those days). Subsequently a New York newspaper, the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, lampooned Russell and his "miracle wheat" in a cartoon. Whereupon Russell sued the newspaper—and LOST the case.Olin R. Moyle v. Watchtower Headquarters Staff In 1943 Olin Moyle sued the leading members of the Society’s headquarters staff for LIBEL. Moyle had been a loyal Jehovah’s Witness for many years and had even defended the Witnesses in some court cases. But on July 21, 1939 Moyle sent Rutherford an open letter of resignation. In this letter he accused Rutherford and some of his associates of excessive drinking of alcoholic beverages, improper conduct and low morals. In addition he specifically accused Rutherford of outbursts of anger, discrimination and vulgar language. In The Watchtower of October 15, 1939 Rutherford attacked Moyle publicly, in print. Rutherford wrote concerning Moyle’s letter, "The letter, being filled with false, slanderous and libelous statements... the writer of that letter... identifies himself as one who speaks evil against the Lord’s organization... every paragraph of that letter is false, filled with lies, and is a wicked slander and a libel." Interestingly, when Moyle sued the Watchtower leaders in court over Rutherford’s scurrilous Watchtower article—he WON, and the court awarded him damages of $15,000 (equal to about $200,000 in today’s currency). The Douglas Walsh Case In 1954, the principal officers of the Watchtower Society traveled to the British Isles to take part in an appeal to obtain recognition for their Jehovah’s Witness movement to be accepted as a genuine religious denomination and presiding elders of Witness congregations as genuine so-called ministers. The Society gained acceptance as a religion but lost the second part of the appeal. However, during the trial Hayden Covington (at that time the chief legal representative of the Society) admitted that (a) the Watchtower was guilty of publishing false prophecy, and (b) the Jehovah’s Witness leaders maintained their "famous" world-wide state of unity by forcing all loyal Witnesses to accept false prophecy. http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/moyle.htm Olin Moyle's Letter to J. F. RutherfordDoug Olin Moyle was an attorney who was asked to come to Bethel in 1935 to help the Watchtower Society in its freedom-of-worship legal cases. He discovered that Bethel was anything but the "spiritual paradise" the Society claims it is. His letter of resignation is a very revealing one, particularly in light of the fact that when Jehovah allegedly pronounced that the Watchtower Society was in a "cleansed" condition and worthy of His selection as His sole mouthpiece, the one man in charge of everything done or said by of the Watchtower Society was none other than Joseph F. Rutherford himself. This letter reveals much about what kind of a man Rutherford was and what kind of an environment he fostered at the worldwide headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses. This letter is written as dignified and reasoned tone that could be expected, considering what subjects it is addressing. Rutherford responded to this letter in the October 15, 1939 Watchtower. Rutherford's response in what was supposed to be a "Bible-based" religious journal further confirmed just what sort of man he was. Moyle responded with a lawsuit for libel. After Rutherford's death he collected $15,000 plus court costs from the Society.The letter as reproduced below was "Exhibit 4" in the libel lawsuit against Rutherford and the board of directors of the Watchtower Society.
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Tue, 03 Jun 2003 19:54:00 GMT
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Post 314 of 1889 Since 1/25/2002 |
Here's an interesting one that just happened last year. Notice the Watchtower settled out of court.http://www.koskoff.com/index.cfm/hurl/dbg=0/upv=2/SectionID=12/PeopleID=18Devon |
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Tue, 03 Jun 2003 19:57:00 GMT
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doodle-v
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:54:00 GMT
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![]() Post 33 of 1165 Since 4/28/2003 |
hmmmm, interesting stuffThanks! |
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worldlygirl
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:59:00 GMT
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North CarolinaPost 113 of 550 Since 3/27/2003 |
The documents were undoubtedly some "commandments" to perform a certain amount of preaching work, counsel on what type of cars to purchase, etc.
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![]() WashingtonPost 74 of 1153 Since 2/26/2003 |
To answer your question, YES THERE HAS! In recent years the WTB&TS HAVE MADE SEVERAL SETTLEMENTS.
The catch is: All parties involved must sign non-disclosure statements along with many other legal forms and paperwork that would boggle the mind. AND contrary to popular belief, all info is surpressed among other legal doings.
Many times, there is an out of court settlement.--- NO-RECORD!!
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freedom96
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:58:00 GMT
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CaliforniaPost 1437 of 3825 Since 7/25/2002 |
What I wonder is what account the society has set up to pay these lawsuits from? Is the the world wide work, or maybe the kingdom hall building fund, or maybe the account from the people who die and leave money to the WTS. |
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rocketman
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:18:00 GMT
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![]() Post 1284 of 3997 Since 12/7/2002 |
Hmmmm.........interesting. Blondie thanks for the Moyle info. |
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:26:00 GMT
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They tried to settle with me as well before trial, and I was about to sign until at the last minute they threw in a claus that said if I was to mention the settlement to anyone they would sue me for millions. I wasnt even allowed to tell my own sister without risking that she would say something to someone else. The pre-trial judge suggeseted me not to sign. So then we went to court.
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![]() WashingtonPost 75 of 1153 Since 2/26/2003 |
There are special accounts setup around the world (several places). However many settlements come out of a "general fund" account. However, a lot of accounts are under different names than what would be the ordinary "set up"or use, for the average corporation. Almost impossible to trace! The best way to describe this is "CREATIVE ACCOUNTING". And those are just the ones on the books!!!!!!
Beware, the Borg-Org is not what they pretend to be!!!!
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 05:14:00 GMT
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Post 2506 of 8836 Since 7/3/2002 |
blondie, thanks for that Moyle info. Very interesting indeed. Many of the conditions Moyle describes exactly fit the Bethel I knew in 1971. A "personal" dimension: Moyle's son Peter was at Bethel with his Dad. When I read the following letter, published in the December 15, 1939 Watchtower, I couldn't help but think how much pressure was brought to bear on Peter. Another family ruined. IN FULL HARMONY
(The following is from the son of O. R. Moyle) DEAR BROTHER RUTHERFORD: On August 8, 1939, when the Bethel family was asked to express their disapproval of the letter of O. R. Moyle, I expressed my approval by remaining seated. After prayerful and Scriptural consideration of the matter I am now of the opinion that my action was wrong. I wish to state that I am in full harmony with the Theocracy of Jehovah and I recognize the Society as the visible part. I desire to co-operate to the best of my ability and opportunity. Yours in the kingdom interests, PETER O. MOYLE |
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 05:22:00 GMT
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Post 51 of 806 Since 3/16/2003 |
That is heartbreaking.
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rocky220
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:02:00 GMT
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![]() New YorkPost 442 of 684 Since 7/29/2002 |
kgfreeperson, yes it is heart breaking, back in summer 2002, after being out since 1978, I thought of coming back to the "truth".But after browsing thru the internet and reading about the UN problem, Navy Contracts and oh yes, the child abuse scandal, I was stopped in my tracks. Come back to what? Alone with Jehovah, I know where I stand. As it is with the "Botchtower" and the stuff going on, I'm better off out in the "world". IMHO....peace be with you and welcome to the JWD, where at least we can keep it REAL!...rocky220 |
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doodle-v
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:58:00 GMT
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![]() Post 35 of 1165 Since 4/28/2003 |
I find it shocking and I am in amazement that most "rank and file" witnesses are not aware of what is going on. I am also afraid that if they did know, they would deny it, or come up with the excuse that it is satan influencing people to try to corrupt Jehovah's visible organization. Most simply refuse to see truth. I know if I tried to bring this up to my parents they would give me the apostate stare and avoid me like the plague. (they already avoid me anyway, so maybe it wouldnt hurt to mail them some "anonymous" information. Thanks for the good info! No wonder the WTBTS tries to say that satan and his demons are all over the internet! lol I find myself looking at this newsgroup everyday because of all the eye-opening "apostate reasonings" hehe |
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:12:00 GMT
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Post 1863 of 5321 Since 4/7/2001 |
I believe that the Madison Square Garden incident Moyle refers to involved disturbances caused by Catholic Action typeswho hated Rutherford's guts. The attendants carried canes and there may may have been a "thwacking" incident on one ormore Catholics. Since Rutherford called them sissies,he may have wished for a greater degree of thwacking by the ushers! metatron |
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Gerard
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:18:00 GMT
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![]() Post 510 of 2746 Since 8/11/2002 |
Devon posted this one a few weeks ago: GLUCK, JUDY v. WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT http://portal.courts.state.ny.us/pls/portal30/CMS_DEV.RPT_FCAS_OPEN_CASEINFO.show?p_arg_names=enter_county_code&p_arg_values=30&p_arg_names=enter_index_no&p_arg_values=01180342002 (MUST copy & paste LINK) It may not be a "hot one" and is still in progress. Maybe this is a good link to check up in the future: Most Recent Decisions - New York Courts: http://www.courts.state.ny.us/reporter/slipidx/aidxtable_2.htm? |
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:37:00 GMT
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Post 317 of 1889 Since 1/25/2002 |
Vicky,Your post reminded me of a recent discussion on another group.We were talking about lawsuits and judgements against the Watchtower. I had questioned if it were possible for the Plaintiff to ask for a public apololgy in addition to a financial settlement. We all felt the Watchtower would probably not appeal a judgement against them for a lot of money but would probably try to fight the public apology.Just our thoughts,Devon |
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Gerard
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:55:00 GMT
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How about this one: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jehovahs/berryjehov80801.pdf Holly Berry and Heather Berry vs. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of N.Y.Inc, Wilton Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, and Paul Berry "Paul Berry is a convicted felon and has history of sexual and physical abuse of children under his care..." "Defendant Berry was ultimately convicted of 17 counts of sexual abuse and was sentenced to a prison term of 56 years." |
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Gerard
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Re: has there ever been a successful lawsuit against the WTBTS?
posted Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:36:00 GMT
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http://www.koskoff.com/index.cfm/hurl/dbg=0/upv=1/SectionID=15/NewsID=65
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YES THERE HAS! In recent years the WTB&TS HAVE MADE SEVERAL SETTLEMENTS.
All parties involved must sign non-disclosure statements along with many other legal forms and paperwork that would boggle the mind. AND contrary to popular belief, all info is surpressed among other legal doings.
Many times, there is an out of court settlement.---
NO-RECORD!!


There are special accounts setup around the world (several places). However many settlements come out of a "general fund" account.
However, a lot of accounts are under different names than what would be the ordinary "set up"or use, for the average corporation.
Almost impossible to trace!
And those are just the ones on the books!!!!!!
Beware, the Borg-Org is not what they pretend to be!!!!

Thanks for the good info! No wonder the WTBTS tries to say that satan and his demons are all over the internet! lol I find myself looking at this newsgroup everyday because of all the eye-opening "apostate reasonings" hehe