GATED COMMUNITIES IN PUERTO RICO: ACCESS CODES and REMOTES must be provided to the WATCHTOWER CORPORATION by APRIL 23, 2013...

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    Calebs Airplane posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:54:19 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    This case is in it's 9th year an has been touched upon briefly on and off.

    The latest from the Federal Court is that ALL gated communites in Puerto Rico have until April 23 to provide the Watchtower Corporation full access...

    This means the ENTRY CODE or REMOTE CONTROL devices that open the front fence.

    This is clearly an act of provocation in order to create "pseudo-persecution" thereby increasing FS hours and "voluntary donations"...

    M wha happened? posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:56:51 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    oh gosh, seriously? 99% of the people out there don't know about JW's, and the ones that do, don't give a damn about them. And really why bother? After a few months entering these forbidden zones, they will ignore the territory, just like they do other territories. I haven't seen JW's in my area in years

    Calebs Airplane posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:14:42 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    The local paper El Nuevo Dia mentioned (in today's paper) that the jehovah's witnesses have argued that the Controlled Access Law (of Puerto Rico), as it's being applied, violates their constitutional rights because it affects their right to free expression, their faith and restricts door-to-door evangelizing.

    They make it appear as if this is something that J-Dubs in general have been striving for their right to gain access to these communities... The sad truth about this is that most J-Dubs on the island could care less if they can now enter a gated community or not.

    F Gayle posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:25:21 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    JWs forcing their "right"(?) into these areas isn't going to win points with such areas. Anyway, Puerto Rico had "0%" increase last year and decreasing in baptisms.

    designs posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:28:04 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    Those HOAs should have flyers printed with the goofs of the Wt. and hand them to the JWs when they come by, that'll end that invasion of privacy.

    M JeffT posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:30:13 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    I haven't been following this that closely. If I lived there in a gated community my question would be "what happened to my right to be left alone?" This ruling effectively outlaws gated communities as there is no saying who will get the codes.

    The Watchtower used to say that people that lived in places like that had made a decision not to hear "the good news."

    PS, I wonder what would be the effect of writing the all the kingdom halls and telling them they'd be the subject of a lawsuit if a house in the community gets broken into. Let them prove they're keeping the codes secure.

    okage posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:35:45 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    I feel the Court in Puerto Rico is a mediocre system without any credibility. See, if they knew what was going on with the JWs in the rest of the world, they would know that it's a slap in the face of basic morality to mandate giving potential pedophiles access to children in gated communities.

    As well, those communities are gated for a reason. Residents tend to pay to not be acosted or harassed by people they don't know or didn't invite.

    Finally, the argument that evangelizing door to door is part of their religious freedom is easily shot down by the scripture that Jesus said "do not go house to house." Anything contrary to their own scripture would be outside of doctrine and isn't recognized by the court as a religious expression.

    Chaserious posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:45:43 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    It actually wasn't the Puerto Rico court that decided to let them in. If I recall from following this, the Puerto Rico federal judge ruled against the Watchtower and they appealed to the federal appeals court based in Boston (which, agree with the decision or not, is definitely a credible court). The appeals court ruled in favor of the WT and sent it back to PR district court to basically work out the smaller details. Apparently they don't have to hand over the codes/keys to the WT if they have a manned security gate where a guard can let them in. Turning over the codes seems like a terrible idea. I guess the HOAs will probably choose to hire more guards which will drive everyone's cost up.

    Calebs Airplane posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:54:31 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    okage... actually, it was a United States Federal Court of Appeals in Boston, MA that ruled in favor of the Watchtower Corporation... (Puerto Rico is a US territory where federal law applies)

    designs posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:58:58 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    The HOA just needs to hire Perry and he can give'm Hell

    bats in the belfry posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:20:28 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    . . . gated communities are perhaps the last resort of the WTBTS to squeeze money out of somewhat affluent people.

    M Billy the Ex-Bethelite posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:27:26 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    By the same token, shouldn't WT bethel provide access keys to outsiders? As I recall, Puerto Rico's bethel has a locked front gate and requires access keys to get inside the buildings to knock on the doors of the residents.

    So if Watchtower should get full access to all gated communities, shouldn't WT provide keys to Mormons, Catholics, politicians, and anybody else? Shouldn't everyone else have the same freedom of speech?

    Dismissing servant posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:35:22 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    That's fine! I hope that all apostates, including the AAWA will get the same access to all brooklyn facilities!

    okage posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:36:14 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    Okay, I was wrong about the Puerto Rican court comment, but that totally changes the point of the statement, right? All american courts are a sham, the only difference between my original statement and the corrected statement is that if it was Puerto Rico's courts, I expected better from them.

    @Billy: That'd be awesome! Mormons taking the Society to court to allow them access to the residential dorms of Bethel so they could preach.

    Dismissing servant posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:36:53 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    But...wait a minute.......isn't field service just personal ministry and not organised by the WTS? This is strange.

    M Billy the Ex-Bethelite posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:00:10 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    And if any crimes were committed inside the gated community, wouldn't WT and the local JWs become suspect? Their "court victory" could quickly lead them to greater liability.

    It would be interesting to require WT bethel to give access to exJWs, then we have a series of "slip & fall injuries" where WT becomes liable.

    tresdecu posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:52:37 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    The magagers of each gated bldg/complex should notify all the residents that all they have to do is call the nearest KH and be put on the DNC list. Imagine the KH getting flooded with calls from all the residents that are now going to have to stand by for an annoying knock at the door at about 9:45 AM.

    designs posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:55:11 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    Billy- fair is fair

    Can you imagine self guided tours by outsiders being forced on the Wt.

    Watchtower-Free posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:42:19 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    This is so hilarious.

    This situation really has a potential to backfire on watchtower Corporation.

    If I lived in a gated community I would be ticked off.

    I bet all these gated communities in Puerto Rico have their own websites or webpages it would be easy to contact them to help them get on the do not call list.

    This could be a PR nightmare for the rubes at watchtower.

    Band on the Run posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 23:12:53 GMT(4/20/2013)

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    I assume that PR Is folded into the federal circuit that encompasses Mas s. The, 2nd circuit, NY, used to have the Virgin Islands. I read a law review article concerning this case for fear they could have ready access to private NYC buildings.

    If I recall correctly, the case is fact ltd to PR. No other jurisdiction has such a percentage of gated communities. They are closer to public roads than gated communities in actual states.

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