WTF? Steven Untank's money accounts suddenly closed!!

This is weird?! I just came accross this on Mr Unthank's personal site:

 http://stevenunthank.wordpress.com/monies/

I recently read something where the WTS is, let's just say connected,  to various institutions/companies to wield/get their way.....is this one or just coincidence?

Monies

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Crap....

How dishonest of them!!!

This is where we should do a "write-in" protest!!!   (I hate paypal...!!)

for those who read The Art of War. Commen tactic is to cut off the supply lines of your enemy. Then attack when they are in a weakened state. In Mr Unthank's world, Paypal was a supply line. Apparently the WT has some friends. I'm glad he's undeterred

If true (and I have no reason to doubt that it is true), then this is an absolutely shocking development.

I've heard rumours recently (coming out of the Menlo Park fiasco) that Watch Tower exerts influence over what they would describe as "worldly" institutions. Unthank's experience seemingly underlines this.

I don't know what to say, other than to express my deepest shock and dismay. PayPal's behaviour in this matter is outrageous and reprehensible, and they should be ashamed.

I'm delighted to hear that Unthank appears not to be throwing in the towel over this, and rightly so. I can only hope that he has not suffered too much financially as a result of this outrage.

Cedars

The biggest clients have pull. That's business. I've had to kiss ass on occasion because that's what u do. Well Paypal has kissed the ass of the WT. All those donations streaming through add up to alot.

I never leave funds in paypal, never. I transfer immeadiatly.

I fear that instutions like paypal are a cyber entity and have no real form of appeal nor customer service at all. If they did this em mass, think how many millions of dollars they have at their disposal!

I think steven needs to find a front man to get the support via paypal or other banking institutions. I would be taking legal action against the bank or going to the banking ombudsman if such exists and get names.

It would appear that the WT tenticals go far...

dirty dirty dirty

Oz

Is there a way for an international community to embarress paypal into stoping this nonsense?

thousands of people threatening to close their paypal and ebay accounts, blog like crazy, utube or whatever and make them unfreez?

Oz

@ Cedars I added his url to his personal site. He wrote this. My stomach sank when I read this. 

Well, where there's a will, there's a way! I'm hoping Barabra speaks with him to find out how to get him more donations.

I was trying to remember where I read the WTS is connected that way,  and it was from a post I read here about the Menlo Park troubles...that's post was something out of a movie and now this?!

 a front man or an organization willing to take the responsibility of forwarding funds

perhaps some donaters have wised up and are asking for their money back?

edit: and anyway why does Mr Unthank  need more donations at this point?

Sounds like you need an attorney in Australia and a newspaper reporter....

I found the following on some help pages, don't know how accurate it is...

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Can PayPal close my account?

Of course yes . And you agreed to it when you accepted their TOS. And that’s why all the mess happens leaving you helpless! The word is out that they make money on the interest when they hold or freeze the account. Usually they close your account in cases such as:

• Customer complaint
• Non delivery of goods or services
• Problems with delivered goods or services
• Identity issues 
• Transactions of more than $ 2000 (paid or received)
• Any other issues (refer to Section 5 of their User Agreement for more)

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here are ways to deal with the problem. You can approach the crisis in a methodical way. 

Steps to unfreeze your PayPal account:

1. Call PayPal to enquire the reason of the account being frozen. You can reach them at 1-888-221-1161.
2. If PayPal says it’s because of a dispute raised by your customer, try to resolve that, using proof of delivery, or other documents that address the complaint or dispute of the customer.
3. Find out if there’s a chargeback. If yes find out why it’s happened and try to resolve it by providing the required documents. Don’t be rude with the concerned buyer or seller whoever has put the chargeback. This is because if you do the situation will become more grim and you may lose your funds.
4. Last but not the least, provide all documents that PayPal asks for, but make two sets of copies and send with a Return Receipt. That way you can maintain proof of sending the docs and they can’t say they never got.

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Remember their TOS saying; if PayPal believes for any reason that you being engaged in any kind of fraudulent, illegal or improper activity. They say believe, not even prove!! It’s a tough nut to crack. 

But you have to find the reason somehow. Bad customer feedback? Yearly limit of funds transactions crossed? Even exorbitant fund transfers raise suspicion of PayPal and give them reason to freeze account

soft+gentle - please don't be silly, especially on this of all subjects...

If it were that simple, PayPal would have stated that as a reason for freezing his account. Furthermore, you sound completely naive when it comes to the costs of pursuing a legal case - especially to the extent that Unthank has taken his thus far.

mind blown - yes, it all adds up now. First the Menlo Park case "going away" for no apparent reason, and now this. If I can do anything to support Unthank's efforts, I will gladly do so.

Cedars

@ soft+gentle   what are you insinuating?? 

It's too much of a coincidence that the hearing is 2 1/2 weeks away and this happens....

I've already thought of two ways donaters can get him funds, however, I now dare not say anything .....will wait to see what transpires......

oh I agree. This is as close a shave they've received to date

Paypal are arrogant and inflexible. They will never admit to wrongdoing and will not communicate with anyone. Most of the emails sent are automatically generated and trying to work a way through the system is a nightmare. For it to have affected the bank account seems to indicate some complaint of fraud since paypal has no authority over standard accounts. It is likely that if such a complaint has been made that the parties involved will not discuss it with the person affected.  It may be that the watchtower are using dirty tricks,  their past behaviour has been less than honourable. If they truly felt they were justified there would be no need to try and railroad the prosecution. 

soft+gentle court cases are expensive and Mr Uthank has used a lot of his own time and resources. People who have donated did so understanding the facts it is unlikely that they have asked for a refund.  He is using the money for the purpose for which it was intended unlike the watchtower who is very disingenuous about how they use donations they receive and ask for money to cover assembly expenses that have already been covered. 

skepticism and caution are not silly cedars. you are very silly to say so.  soliciting for donations is serious and needs to be taken seriously. 

many have been suggesting that mr unthank use a lawyer but he insists on representing himself and whats more he insists on representing himself according to how, in his view, the society represents itself.  Plus only one case appears to be in motion and still the police have not made any charges against the Traralgon congregation - this speaks volumes.

I'm not saying Mr Unthank is being dishonest but I will say he is being very naive and he appears to be unable to interpret what is required legally - this is understandable as he does not have legal training. 

Mr Unthank please let the state prosecutor take on the case without strings attached.

Wow!  

It looks like, on the surface that the WTBTS is doing something dirty, or else a JW in paypal is doing something dirty.  Bloody dubs!  

If they can steal COC books out of libraries and drool at our demise this is not surprising.  

Police investigations of this nature take several months, if not years to complete!

I think there are several cases Steve Unthank is involved int.

I think Steve Unthank is working each & every month, through the court system.

I think he is at a turning point, where the next court appearance will either turn it over to the State.

I think soft+gentle's comments are ridiculous and absurd.  I think soft+gentle wants to discredit Steven Unthank.  And, why would that be?  Hmmmmmmmm.........

I always wondered if there were WTS trolls on this site...........

When I see such comments against people like Barbara Anderson or Steve Unthank . . . .. well, it makes me wonder.....

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