Most people who are not JW's live with out moral restrain! All who have left the "Truth" regret it. June 15th WT

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    life is to short posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:25:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    In the June 15th WT it says on page 9 I will just write it out as it is to hard and unbelievable to preface this. So here it is.

    "Many who today are members of the Christian congregation can tell you that before learning of and adopting Jehovah's righteous standards, they lived without moral restrain. Yet, they were unsatisfied and unhappy. They found peace only when they began associating with God's people and living in accord with Bible principles.

    In contrast, some who in the past chose to leave the 'safe water' of the Christian congregation now bitterly regret that decision. One sister, whom we will call Tanya, explains that she was "raised around the truth," but when she was 16, she left the congregation to "pursue worldly enticements." Among the results she experienced were an unwanted pregnancy and an abortion. She now says: "The three years I spent away from the congregation left ugly scars on my emotions that will not go away. Something the continues to haunt me is that I killed my unborn child.....I want to tell all the young ones who are wishing they could 'taste' the world even for just a little while: 'Don't!' It may taste good at first, but it leaves an extremely bitter aftertaste. The world has nothing but misery to offer. I know. I tasted it. Stay in Jehovah's organization! It's the only way of life that brings happiness."

    Just think what would become of you if you were to abandon the protective environment of the Christian congregation. Many, recalling their futile course of life before they accepted the truth, simply shudder at the thought. (John 6:68,69) You can continue to find security and protection from the woes and misery so common in Satan's world by staying in close company with your Christian brothers and sisters. Association with them and regular attendence at congregation meetings will continually remind you of the wisdom of Jehovah's righteous standards and will encourage you to live by them. You have every reason to 'laud Jehovah in the big congregation,' just as the psalmist did.-Ps 35:18."

    So there you have it those of us who do not believe anymore are just screwed up and very unhappy in life. We are out sleeping with everyone and just living a totally horrible life.

    Life really is to short for all of this.

    teel posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:36:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    Hm, is this an admission? Or someone was really careless?

    In contrast, some who in the past chose to leave the 'safe water' of the Christian congregation now bitterly regret that decision.

    I read this that the majority of those who leave don't regret it at all Which makes the rest of this tripe irrelevant.

    M wobble posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:57:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    Of course what you say is true dear Teel, but when read by WT drones with WT goggles on, they will interpret it as "it is impossible to be happy once you have left"

    I had exactly that said to me by a visiting M.S after the first few months of my fade. "You cannot be happy"

    I replied that I was not happy at having wasted 58 years of my life working for free for a publishing corporation, but apart from that I was happier than I have ever been , happy to be free. He did not visit again.

    Wobble

    teel posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:18:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    Sadly it's true wobble. I just took an interrest in finding errors and fallacies in the magazines - which is too easy work actually.

    I have a feeling the writers still have an ounce of honesty, and whenever they can, they avoid outright lying. Yet they choose the words so that JWs will come to the conclusion they want them to. In this case they know very well many who leave don't regret it, but they can't put that in writing, and saying "most who leave regret it" would be lying.

    I find this sort of manipulation of truth to be worse than outright lying - it's deliberate twisting of words, that is harder to discover than the true lies.

    Tea drinker posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:19:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    Fear, fear and more fear--with the usual generous helping of Watch Tower aspersions against non-JWs.

    It makes me ill.

    Darth plaugeis posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:32:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    In contrast, some who in the past chose to leave the 'safe water' of the Christian congregation now bitterly regret that decision.

    One brother, whom we will call Darth, explains what happened to him when he the left the comfort of the loving arms of Jah. Well, daily I was robbed and raped as I walked to the bus for work, without the protection from the truth I knew, I was all alone in a world full of hate and evil. It was so bad in the world, people would spit in my face for no reason. Even when I thought I was safe in my own home at night, without the protection from the Truth, Demons would rape me all hours of the night. I heard voices telling me I was going to die. I quickly found myself using drugs and tobacco. I found myself living in the streets eating dead rats to survive. How could I of abandoned Jehovah, I thought. I turned my back on him, and now I belong to Satan and his demons. I went back to the Hall, and found the brothers and sisters accepting me with open arms. How I missed the comfort of my "real family", non judging, unconditional love, understanding, and full of holy spirit.

    Just think what would become of you if you were to abandon the protective environment of the Christian congregation. Many, recalling their futile course of life before they accepted the truth, simply shudder at the thought. (John 6:68,69) You can continue to find security and protection from the woes and misery so common in Satan's world by staying in close company with your Christian brothers and sisters. Association with them and regular attendence at congregation meetings will continually remind you of the wisdom of Jehovah's righteous standards and will encourage you to live by them. You have every reason to 'laud Jehovah in the big congregation,' just as the psalmist did.-Ps 35:18."

    marvfaybenz posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:34:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    When you read Facebook rants of many JWs, they are convinced ex-JWs are angry and hateful and are leading sad and unproductive lives. What a laugh!

    Lieu posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:36:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    The person known as "Tanya" should have used birth control. Her bad.

    cantleave posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:50:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    If this is misery and being a JW is happiness - bring on the misery!!!!!

    St George of England posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:05:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    The person known as "Tanya" should have used birth control.

    JW kids are raised to naive in all matters of sex and relationships

    George

    M wobble posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:19:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    Dear St George,

    I believe you have hit on the problem that causes some who leave to get in to practices and a lifestyle that proves the WT point to some extent, but the responsibility for this, as you say, lies with the Wt for ill-equipping its members to live in the real world.

    Some adults who leave, not just kids always, start to lead lives, and to practise things,that the Wt condemns.

    A lot of this is in fact harmless, and is done because now we have left we are free to do as we please, Christmas ,Birthdays using wacky-baccy whatever, but some cannot handle the new freedom and do come a bit of a cropper.

    My advice to any just leaving is take it steady, and look before you leap.

    Having said that, I do not know one unhappy ex-witness personally, all that I have met are well adjusted people ,making a success of life.

    Wobble

    Mad Sweeney posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:19:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    I've reinterpreted the quote to remove borg lies:

    "Many who today are members of the Christian congregation can tell you that before learning of and adopting Jehovah's righteous standards, they lived with normal moral restraint. They were satisfied and happy. They lost that peace only when they began associating with Dubs and living in accord with Borg principles.

    In contrast, most who in the past chose to leave the 'safe water' of the Dub congregation (whatever THAT means) never regret that decision. One sister, whom we will call Tanya, explains that she was "raised around the truth," but when she was 16, she left the congregation to "pursue worldly enticements." Among the results she experienced were an unwanted pregnancy and an abortion. She now says: "The three years I spent away from the congregation left ugly scars of residual fear and guilt that would not go away. Something that continues to haunt me is that I killed my unborn child.....I want to tell all the young ones who are wishing they could 'taste' the world even for just a little while: 'Do it!' It may taste good at first, but returning to the Borg gives an extremely bitter aftertaste. The Borg has nothing but misery to offer. I know. I tasted it. Stay in the real world! It's the only way of life that brings happiness."

    Just think what would become of you if you were to abandon the mind control of the Dub congregation. Many, recalling their futile course of life before they left the Borg, simply shudder at the thought. (John 6:68,69) You can continue to find security and protection from the woes and misery so common in the Borg by staying in close company with your JWN brothers and sisters. Association with them and regular participation online will continually remind you of the idiocy of the Borg's ridiculous standards and will encourage you not to live by them. You have every reason to 'ignore Jehovah's Witnesses,' just as the psalmist did.-Ps 35:18."

    M Robert7 posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:43:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    The WTS is so good in brainwashing people to not even consider life outside the cult. EVERYONE is miserable and immoral outside the cult and ONLY are happy when they return. When you read and hear this enough at meetings you start believing it without even realizing it.

    M WingCommander posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:51:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    All I have to say is, can you imagine taking your "Worldy" spouse or other interested person to The Meeting and having this read OUTLOUD during the WatchTower study? If I were a worldly person visiting for the first time and heard this, I'd be insulted and get up and leave immediately. Who besides braindead cult members could sit through such a dressing down of the human race? Not me.

    Now, I'd like to address this articles points. I can say with absolute certainty that growing up as a witness in a family that went through bouts of inactivity from time to time, that the times we were "inactive" were the LEAST STRESSFUL and most enjoyable as a family unit. It wasn't until we'd start going to back to the meetings (usually when my parents were scared by world events on TV) that the stress, guilt, and heavy burden of the WT Corporations demands were felt upon our backs.

    As for Tanya, I'm sure this has happened many times, but I haven't personally witnessed it. Of the 10 people around my age in my congregation, 7 of them left mentally in our BEFORE high school, and then left physically right after high school. They are happy for the most part to be AWAY from their screwball cult parents and moving on with their lives.

    As for Tanya say, "Don't leave, stay within Jehovah's Congregation" - that is really the voice of the scared-shitless Governing Body who sees they are bleeding the youth of the congregations out of every orifice. Youth are what keep a religion going, not converts. They have uneducated 3rd world converts coming in for sure (Think South America) but as technology catches up there they will leave too. In America, I'd bet that more young people are leaving every year (the WT's future) then are coming in as converts. I mean, that independant study a year or so back plus my own experiences tell me so; 7 out of 10 young JW's leave the faith upon turning 18? That is a death sentance, plain and simple and the Governing Body must know it by now. Hence, they are using fear and guilt tactics to the extreme, even banning social networking sites like Myspace, facebook, Twitter, etc. They can't stop the hemmoraging here in America anyway.

    - Wing Commander

    F dinah posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:00:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    Tanya just wasn't very smart. I left the Borg at 18, but didn't get pregnant until I was 25. Birth control is your friend!

    M ldrnomo posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:23:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    Um I'll have to read this later after my hangover goes away and before I get high on heroin.

    LD

    F chickpea posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:25:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    the best defense, as if one were needed,
    against that sort of propaganda, is to be
    able to look them right in the eyes with
    your head held high and a smile on your
    face....

    the kind of smile that shows up
    in your eyes, unlike that fake grimace
    dr0nes paste on their faces, with dead
    eyes looking out on what they perceive
    to BE the evil world the b0rg has convinced
    them exists everywhere but the KH
    altho we all know what brand of HELL
    lurks therein)

    seriously, i have seen jaws drop when i
    encounter the "faithful" in public because
    i am almost always wearing an irrepressible
    smile that is born of being deeply satisfied
    that i am truly on the right track for my life....

    my moral restraint is alive and well....
    but i am working on that....

    M Terry posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:30:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    Fools do foolish things unless they are threatened with penalty.

    Refraining from idiocy because you are threatened does not make you moral. It only prevents your immediate plunge into ruin.

    A fool inisde the Watchtower Society or a fool who leaves is still a fool.

    The active ingredient in a good life well-lived is a rational set of values and an awareness of reality.

    A moral life is a practical life and the person who is practical doesn't plunge willingly into ruin.

    The Watchtower cannot be the CAUSE of morality any more than a lock on your front door causes a would-be burglar to become honest.

    It is a fallacious argument the Watchtower is peddling. One among a great many, if I may say so!

    M Finally-Free posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:33:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    In contrast, some who in the past chose to leave the 'safe water' of the Christian congregation now bitterly regret that decision.

    Then there's the other side of the coin, people like me who were "worldly", joined the cult, and now bitterly regret that decision. Getting those toxic people out of my life is one of the best decisions I ever made.

    W

    M sir82 posted Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:47:00 GMT(4/27/2010)

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    Hm, is this an admission? Or someone was really careless?
    In contrast, some who in the past chose to leave the 'safe water' of the Christian congregation now bitterly regret that decision.
    I read this that the majority of those who leave don't regret it at all Which makes the rest of this tripe irrelevant.

    Exactly so!

    WT writers choose their words carefully. They could have said "many" or "most" or "undoubtedly the vast majority" or any number of words or phrases to indicate that leaving is equated with utter desolation.

    Why choose to use the word "some" without at least implying that it is a big number? If "some" bitterly regret it, then of course "some" are happier than pigs in mud to be out.

    Of course, JWs don't pay attention to what they read anyway, so the distinction will be lost on "most" of them, but it is a curious choice of words.

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