WTS comments UN case in Portuguese newspaper

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    Osarsif posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:40:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    Article in Portuguese newspaper Público (Saturday, October 20, 2001) about the UN case:

    Testemunhas de Jeová Ligaram-se à "Besta"
    (Jehovah's Witnesses Connected with the "Beast")
    http://jornal.publico.pt/2001/10/20/Sociedade/S05.html
    http://jornal.publico.pt/2001/10/20/Sociedade/S05CX01.html

    Excerpts:

    «"The registry as NGO was made only to be able to give humanitarian help and defend the human rights in several countries of the world", said to [the newspaper] Público Pedro Candeias, spokesman of the Association of Jehovah's Witnesses [AJW] in Portugal. In Portugal, however, the disaffiliation from the registry is not yet officially known by the AJW, which represents nearly 50,000 believers.»

    «This [JW] official says the religious group to which he belongs has had "an important role" in the help to populations of countries like Angola, Bosnia, Georgia, Rwanda and other African or Latin-American [countries]. "To reach those countries was complicated and, for that reason, it was necessary to registry" the WTBTS in the United Nations. But that registry, he says, does not compromise the Jehovah's Witnesses with "any political involvement" with the UNO.»

    «"It is not a political maneuver", says the AJW spokesman, "because without the support of the UNO it would not be possible to distribute humanitarian help". And as the registry "does not violate the statutory precepts" of the JW, the criticisms to the registry in the DPI "do not have any basis", says Pedro Candeias.»

    [end of newspaper excerpts]

    If the criticisms "do not have any basis", and if the registry is so important "to give humanitarian help and defend the human rights in several countries of the world", why has the Watchtower Society hurriedly disaffiliated itself from the United Nations after the case was made known on the Internet?

    The JW spokesman lied when he said the registry with the UN does not compromise the Jehovah's Witnesses with any political involvement with the United Nations.

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    wannahelp posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:48:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    "The JW spokesman lied when he said the registry with the UN does not compromise the Jehovah's Witnesses with any political involvement with the United Nations."

    What, you were suddenly expecting them to tell the truth now?

    Moxy posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:07:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    the second link is a supplementary article which contains only this quote from the wt96 6/1:

    What is that modern-day "disgusting thing"? The evidence points to the League of Nations, which went into operation in 1920, shortly after the world entered its time of the end....
    As a successor to the League, the United Nations came into being on October 24, 1945. Later, the popes of Rome hailed the United Nations as "the ultimate hope for harmony and peace" and "the supreme forum of peace and justice." Yes, the League of Nations, along with its successor, the United Nations, truly became an idol, a "disgusting thing" in the sight of God and of his people.

    interesting that they threw in the denunciation of the popes there too, in a portuguese newspaper.

    mox

    F patio34 posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:08:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    Hi Osarif,

    Thanks for that info. It would also be enlightening to the non-JW public if the WTS definition of "humanitarian help" were given. It's not what the average reader would assume, nor, I'll bet, is it the definition given in most dictionaries. It's WT-ese for 'selling the WT and Awake and making converts.'

    Pat

    F pettygrudger posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:00:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    My response to that is quite simple, why would they need any "political organization" - they have God don't they?

    JT posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:08:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    , "because without the support of the UNO it would not be possible to distribute humanitarian help".

    #########

    I'm sure that the paper MISQUOTED THE BROTHER FROM Bethel

    the correct quote is :

    , "because without the support of the UNO(Jehovah) it would not be possible to distribute humanitarian help".

    I'm sure that is what he said and was merely misquoted

    YEA RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Had Enough posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:16:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    without the support of the UNO it would not be possible to distribute humanitarian help

    Simple question: Why would it not be possible?

    hawkaw posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:01:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    This article does seem interesting.

    First the Watchtower has always been classified as a non govenmnetal organization (NGO).

    What happened was the WTS VOLUNTARILY became "associated" with a Department in the United Nations.

    This Department's goal is to get the "message" of the UN out and not to support humanitarian aid. Part of the criteria is to SUPPORT the UN charter and provide a way to distribute reports and information that support UN programs.

    Something the Watchtoer has said in its publications it is completely against.

    hawk

    M MacHislopp posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:12:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    Hello Osarsif,

    thanks for the excellent research

    and the posting of it on this forum.

    As usual ...the true reasons are not given..

    anyway IF was such a good thing, for humanitarian

    reason ..WHY request the termination of status

    as an NGO??? All the others gave also logical

    comments...difficult to refute.

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

    P.S. To give this info' a wider
    audience, will you please
    post it on the main thread:
    "U.N., NGO's and the WTBS ",

    Thanks again.

    " One who has an accurate knowledge
    of God's Word will have no problem
    in refuting false religious ideas".

    F waiting posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:37:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    Sooooooooo,

    "without the support of the UNO it would not be possible to distribute humanitarian help"....says Pedro Candeias. (JW spokesman)

    The WTBTS will no longer assist in all the aforenamed nations in humanitarian help since they disassociated themselves from the UNO?

    Since the only humanitarian help the WTBTS gives is the selling of the Watchtower & Awake! mags & books, does this now mean that they will totally stop distribution in these countries?

    It is not a political maneuver. - JW Pedro again

    I believe the majority of the charges dealt with fraud, lying, religious hypocrisy.....but not named political maneuvering. Old lesson.......don't defend yourself against charges until they're made. Maybe the opponent hasn't thought of that particular charge yet.

    waiting

    M Makena1 posted Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:16:00 GMT(10/20/2001)

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    Anybody know if this interview had the sanction of Brooklyn???
    sure does not sound like it!

    Makena

    F outnfree posted Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:41:00 GMT(10/21/2001)

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    I didn't notice this information on the main WTBTS/UN/NGO thread and so wanted to bring it bttt, just in case Osarsif didn't see Mac's request.

    Very interesting, indeed, to see how the branch spokespersons are reacting.

    outnfree

    Par dessus toutes choses, soyez bons. La bonte est ce qui ressemble le plus a Dieu et ce qui desarme le plus les hommes -- Lacordaire

    Osarsif posted Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:12:00 GMT(10/22/2001)

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    [repeated from another thread]

    The spokesman of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Portugal says:

    "The registry as NGO was made only to be able to give humanitarian help and defend the human rights in several countries of the world [...] like Angola, Bosnia, Georgia, Rwanda [...] without the support of the UNO it would not be possible to distribute humanitarian help".
    (Source: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14107 )

    The spokesman of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Britain says:

    "one of our legal corporations registered with the United Nations as a NGO (non-governmental organization) for the sole purpose of getting access to the extensive library of the United Nations."
    (Source: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=13530&page=13 )

    So, which is it?

    These JW public relations guys are a complete joke.

    OhHappyDay posted Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:45:00 GMT(10/22/2001)

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    That's a good point,Osarsif.

    The port. branch is actually in a mass.

    The so called spokesman is NOT the usuall spokesmann inPortugal.

    Do they know what they are doing????

    Happy Day!

    M MacHislopp posted Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:01:00 GMT(10/22/2001)

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    Hello Osarsif,

    in order to help ...the

    Bethel in Portugal, one should send them all

    the Guardian's articles (...excellent ) and the

    latest ...letter from the UK 's Bethel representative:

    the famous Paul Gillies!!!

    From now on HE will called "..Gillis the GREAT !"

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

    " One who has an accurate knowledge
    of God's Word will have no problem
    in refuting false religious ideas".

    Bridgette posted Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:54:00 GMT(10/22/2001)

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    Exactly my thoughts, Patio34. Their so-called great interest in "distributing humanitarian help" constitutes mainly of hawking their silly magazines, and recruiting more converts: "here you go, starving little war-shocked individuals, read two of these magazines and see us in the morning--oh, and we might throw in a little food, if we see you making adequate progress--but don't get too dependant upon it--once you're "in" and we can count you on our rosters, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN!! and will then be expected to bring in more converts to distribute more magazines....and round and round we go--widows and orphans need not apply, we have far too many of those pesky things around as it is."
    I am actually disappointed that they withdrew their association with the UN, because I saw it as a sign of lessening fanaticism. I thought that the UN should be alerted to their "feelings" regarding the UN as reflected by their inane rhetoric, however, I honestly thought that PR saavy would rule the day and Brooklyn would acquiesce, and perhaps become a useful little religious corporation. I actually hoped that shunning might be eliminated once enought public attention was drawn to them.
    *sigh*
    Bridgette

    M Nassau posted Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:53:00 GMT(10/24/2001)

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    The argument of Mr. Pedro Candeias is an insult to the intelligence of the readers and of the JWs (if they have any!). I know this man personally for many years and I could not imagine such kind of hypocrisy coming from this person. As Lawyer, I know the Chart of the UN and its principles and requisites to be met to be admitted in the NGOs official list. But is it not necessary to be a jurist to understand such regulations. Any common person can read it and be aware of the consequences to be part of the NGOs. I can understand the "mingle-mangle" state of mind of the members of the bethelhome in Carnaxide, Portugal. Such a mess and misgovernment when you take the Devil's side!
    Shame on those who have not the gut to defend the truth!
    A Loyal servant of Jehovah (not of the decadent Watchtower)

    M Nassau posted Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:12:00 GMT(10/24/2001)

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    The argument of Mr. Pedro Candeias is an insult to the intelligence of the readers and of the JWs (if they have any!). I know this man personally for many years and I could not imagine such kind of hypocrisy coming from this person. As Lawyer, I know the Chart of the UN and its principles and requisites to be met to be admitted in the NGOs official list. But is it not necessary to be a jurist to understand such regulations. Any common person can read it and be aware of the consequences to be part of the NGOs. I can understand the "mingle-mangle" state of mind of the members of the bethelhome in Carnaxide, Portugal. Such a mess and misgovernment when you take the Devil's side!
    Shame on those who have not the gut to defend the truth!
    A Loyal servant of Jehovah (not of the decadent Watchtower)

    M middleman posted Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:09:00 GMT(3/29/2010)

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    I know this is an OLD thread but does anyone have a copy of that newspaper article? I'm in the process of making a rebuttal site to that Jehovah's Judgment UK site...

    teel posted Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:36:00 GMT(3/29/2010)

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    You know what they say: what happens on the Internet, stays on the Internet!

    http://web.archive.org/web/20011119221025/http://jornal.publico.pt/2001/10/20/Sociedade/S05.html

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