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DannyHaszard	Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:18:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Maine Post 1893 of 5120 Since 5/6/2005	Calling all activist, we need to mobilize our rebuttal efforts on this WTS media "puff piece" KNOCKING DOCUMENTARY NEWSLETTER #1 SUMMER 2005 Thanks for your interest in the KNOCKING documentary about Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm Joel Engardio, director of the project. Since the www.knocking.org web site went live recently, I've been hearing from interested ones from Arizona to Arkansas and everywhere in between. The site is new, and is still a work-in-progress. Check back from time to time to see new features, including the film clip downloads. SPREAD THE WORD Please forward the link www.knocking.org far and wide. Beyond a national broadcast on public television (PBS) in the United States, our goal is to make the film available to international audiences with language subtitles. Indeed, Jehovah's Witnesses are in more than 200 lands, and their story about blood, the Holocaust and preservation of civil liberties resonates around the globe. OUR GOAL The aim of KNOCKING is to give a general, non-Jehovah's Witness audience a fair look at a religious group that has long been misunderstood and relegated to cartoonish stereotypes. KNOCKING uses the real life stories of real families to humanize Jehovah's Witnesses. But we don’t shy from criticism. Our aim is that everything is fair and accurate. We show both the ups and downs, including what it is like for Witnesses who have unbelieving or opposing family members, and how divided families can find common ground. For instance, the young man who undergoes a groundbreaking bloodless liver transplant has opposing family members who come to the hospital to see first-hand how the new bloodless technology works. WHO SHOULD WATCH KNOCKING will be educational and illuminating for a non-Jehovah's Witness audience. Extended family, neighbors, co-workers and classmates of Jehovah’s Witnesses will certainly be interested to take a look. Closer to time of broadcast, we will offer DVDs for home and school use. The DVD will be a feature-length version of the film (the broadcast on PBS will be shorter) and will include extras like expanded interviews. We’ll be sure to send more details on that later. PRODUCTION HISTORY As of Summer 2005, the film is being edited in San Francisco. Throughout the course of the project, we filmed in California, Georgia, Ohio, New York, Nevada, and Texas as well as Austria and Poland. We filmed in Kingdom Halls, conventions and in the door-to-door ministry. WE ARE INDEPENDENT Keep in mind that every Jehovah's Witness who has contributed to this film, either on camera or behind the scenes, has done so by their own personal choice. There is no official connection to the Watchtower Society, though the Bethel organization in Brooklyn, Patterson and Wallkill, New York has been cooperative with the producers of this film. We interviewed Watchtower representatives on camera and filmed inside Bethel. Watchtower has no financial ties to this project, nor any editorial control. It is important to know that this project is independently produced for public television, using a combination of public, foundation and individual funds. No one on the production staff is a Jehovah's Witness. The director's mother, however, is a Witness. And we do have Jehovah's Witnesses who are serving as consultants for factual accuracy. We also have academic, historical and medical consultants who are experts in their field but not Jehovah's Witnesses. HOW TO SEE IT We intend to premiere KNOCKING at a prestigious film festival such as Sundance in early 2006. A national television broadcast on PBS will follow. And the film will be made available on DVD. We also hope to bring KNOCKING to cities throughout the United States in 2006 for special screenings. This will be a chance for you to see a sneak preview and perhaps meet some of the film's subjects in a live Q&A session. The KNOCKING web site and these newsletters will provide updated information about where and when the sneak previews will take place. If you are interested in volunteering to organize such a screening in your city, contact us directly at knockingdirector@msn.com . Please type “Volunteer” in the subject heading. We look forward to seeing the positive impact this film has in telling the untold stories of Jehovah's Witnesses. We hope you do, too. Thanks again for contacting us, and the KNOCKING staff will be sure to keep you up to date on the latest progress. Sincerely, Joel P. Engardio Producer/Director knockingdirector@msn.com http://www.knocking.org/getinfo.lasso Calling all activist sign up for this newsletter
DannyHaszard	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:19:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Maine Post 1894 of 5120 Since 5/6/2005	Watchtower PBS "puff piece" Knocking documentary Knocking Documentary Project KNOCKING takes an unprecedented, inside look at how Jehovah's Witnesses have intersected with society beyond the doorstep. ... www.knocking.org/ http://www.knocking.org/getinfo.lasso Calling all activist sign up for newsletter knockingdirector@msn.com *Contact info to send your well thought out* protest http://www.pbs.org/aboutsite/aboutsite_feedback.html Contact PBS online form User Reviews for knocking.org Be the first person to write a review of this site on Amazon.com! Site Stats for knocking.org: Traffic Rank for knocking.org: ,09,3 (656,666) Speed: s 65% o its arsower),AvLoad Time: 1.3Scos (what's this?) Other sites that link to this site: No Data (note from Danny: I estimate several hundred blogs of active JW blogs are linked) Online Since: 15-Jun-2004 Contact Info for knocking.org : Open Door Productions** (this is the production company they are not JW's) 2339 3rd St #16 San Francisco, CA 94107 US +1 415 558 9780 tomshep@comcast.net
DannyHaszard	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:20:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Maine Post 1895 of 5120 Since 5/6/2005	www.freeminds.org/women/knockingresponse.htm Com ments The aim of KNOCKING is to give a general, non-Jehovah's Witness audience a fair ... The film will be delivered to PBS in the fall, and it will be entered in ...
DannyHaszard	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:21:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Maine Post 1896 of 5120 Since 5/6/2005	KNOCKING JW documentary update older JWD thread KNOCKING JW documentary update
DannyHaszard	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:24:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Maine Post 1897 of 5120 Since 5/6/2005	This is our (high ranked for knocking keywords) EXJW protest page done by our good man Alan Feuerbacher Jehovah's Witnesses PBS Film KNOCKING Omits the Facts Jehovah's Witnesses PBS Film KNOCKING Omits the Facts Added: (Fri Sep 30 2005) Jehovah's Witnesses a destructive sect, because they destroy families and long-standing friendships. Having been born and raised a Jehovah's Witness, I was interested to learn recently of your upcoming PBS film KNOCKING. I've long been a fan and supporter of PBS for its superior and informative programming, and my email to you is in the spirit of keeping up PBS's high standards. -- Alan Feurbacher's email to Joel Engardia of Knocking.org: Hi Joel, MY BACKGROUND First a bit of background on me. My family has been involved with the Witnesses since my paternal grandfather, in 1918, stood overnight on his porch with a shotgun, protecting a near-dead Bible Student colporteur who had been tarred and feathered in his small Oklahoma town of Shattuck. The townsmen were caught up in the fever of WWI and did their patriotic "duty". Grandpa never became a Bible Student, but grandma did in 1920, and was, using Jehovah's Witness jargon, "of the anointed". My dad was born in 1917, and grandma nearly died of the Spanish influenza while carrying him. He became a member of the Brooklyn Bethel staff in 1938 and stayed there until he married my mom (born 1927) in 1946. He quickly rose up the Bethel ladder, and became friends with a number of men who today are top Watchtower officials. Today the President and Vice President of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania remember my dad fondly. He died in 2001. I was born in 1951, and of course was brought up in the Witness religion. In 1954, Barbara Anderson (who wrote you a few days ago) was a 14-year-old who appeared at the Kingdom Hall in Hempstead, New York, where my family attended JW meetings. My dad was the Congregation Servant. My mom befriended Barbara and they remained close friends until Barbara left the JWs around 1997. Today she's like my big sister. During the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Watchtower Society encouraged the JW community to believe that 1975 would probably bring the long-awaited battle of Armageddon. I didn't go to college, after graduating high school in 1969, because I was caught up in the fever of that belief. However, I went to college in 1978, after the 1975 date proved wrong. I graduated from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1982 with a BS in electrical engineering. I now have an MS in that field, and work for an international semiconductor company, designing microchips that are used in everything from cell phones and hard disk drives to Nintendos and Sony Play Stations. While at MIT, I took an anthropology course, and had to write a term paper. I chose to write an essay upholding my belief in the JW view of Noah's Flood, using the notion taught by the Watchtower that the spread of languages from Mesopotamia after the Flood proved that it was a real, historical event. I was happy to have the use of MIT's extensive library facilities. Unfortunately, when I researched the many references in Watchtower publications to secular material that supposedly supported its teachings, I found that the majority were unusable, because they either failed to support the point being made, or even contradicted the Society's claim. Eventually I wrote a paper on a different subject, but this experience taught me that the Watchtower Society is guilty of much scholastic dishonesty. This, along with my disappointment in the failure of the Society's predictions for 1975, led to my quitting the Witnesses, for all practical purposes, by about 1980. In 1975 I married a JW "pioneer sister". We had one daughter, born in 1985. By 1986, after my wife came to realize that I was never again going to be an active JW, she emotionally gave up on me, figuring that it wasn't worth her investment to love a man who would soon die at Armageddon. We divorced in 1994-96.Over the years I did a great deal of research into the beliefs and history of Jehovah's Witnesses. My research completely confirmed what I had accidentally learned back in 1980 -- that the JWs as an organization are intellectually dishonest. I've been active on the Internet since 1991, learning and writing on JW-related topics and plenty of other things. Today you can find how much writing I've done by typing my name in any Net search engine. In 1997 I married an ex-JW I had met on the Net several years earlier. In that year also, by an odd series of coincidences, I learned that Barbara Anderson had left the JWs, and we soon connected. Through her, it was confirmed for me that many rumors of mishandling child molestation issues by the Society were true. For example, in 1984, Governing Body member Leo Greenlees was convicted by the rest of the JW Governing Body of molesting a young boy. Greenlees was forced to leave Bethel but was never reported to the police, and he was assigned to be a "Special Pioneer" for the Society until his death a few years later. Since 1997, I've worked with Barbara and others behind the scenes trying to force the Watchtower Society into a position where it had to properly deal with this serious problem. SHUNNING As you know, JWs practice shunning. Shunning is done on both formal and informal levels. The formal level entails both "disfellowshipping" and "disassociation". In the first case, a person goes through a trial of sorts and is judged unrepentant of some sin, and then formally expelled from the JW organization. In the second case, the person is declared to have removed himself from the JW organization. In practice, the two terms amount to the same thing -- shunning of the expelled person by all JWs. Informal shunning covers a range of possibilities, from a JW simply deciding not to associate with someone, to the Society's writing a letter to a family or congregation suggesting that a person be informally shunned. People who join the JWs are not told that they'll be required to completely shun someone they might love simply because a group of local elders applies the "disfellowshipped" or "disassociated" label to them. The practice is glossed over in the "Bible studies" leading up to formal baptism into the JW organization. Nor is a convert told that one of the baptismal vows is a legally binding one of absolute loyalty to the JW organization. Children who are baptized as JWs -- even as young as 7 or 8 years -- are treated exactly the same as adults in terms of shunning. There are many stories of young teenagers doing the normal teenage stupid things, and ending up being shunned for life by their entire families. I have a good deal of experience with shunning and the wrecked families it can create. My wife (and her youngest sister) has been informally shunned by her JW brother and sister since she quit the JWs in 1985 and divorced her abusive husband. About 1988, her brother wrote a letter to the Society asking how he should treat her. They told him not to pursue disfellowshipping, but to informally shun her. This has caused immense pain all around, especially to their parents, who are two of the dearest people on the planet. In 1999, my daughter, at age 14, left her JW mother and came to live with me. She was never baptized, but is now informally shunned by the young people she grew up with, and has a strained relationship with her JW mother. In 2002, as a result of Barbara Anderson's appearance on NBC Dateline, my JW parents (my mom and stepdad; my mom and dad were divorced in 1969) learned of my involvement with her and the Silentlambs organization. They immediately disinherited me and have shunned me ever since. Beginning about 1997, my parents began shunning Barbara Anderson, after a friendship of more than 40 years. Her only crime? Ceasing to attend JW meetings. This practice of shunning obviously creates much unnecessary pain and is extremely destructive. About 1994, CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Company) produced a documentary called "Children of Jehovah", which largely consisted of interviews with young people who quit, or were expelled from the JWs, and whose parents shunned them. One can hardly keep a dry eye watching this film. All of this shunning, of course, is done at the direction of Watchtower leaders. My point: any proper film on Jehovah's Witnesses needs to emphasize that shunning is an odious practice and is part and parcel of being a JW. CARTOONISH BELIEFS I have the impression, Joel, that you were raised a JW, or at least, had a great deal of exposure to the religion while growing up. Hence your concern about showing that JWs are really not a cartoonish religion. While JWs as individuals are certainly not cartoonish (most of my large family are JWs, so no one has to convince me of this), the Watchtower Society's beliefs and practices over the years have included many, many cartoonish images. Here is a small list, off the top of my head: A 1961 Watchtower magazine article, "How can girls guard against temptation in this sex-crazy world?" compared the way young girls and young men interact sexually to the way cattle do. This demeaning article invokes belly laughs from non-JWs. In the early 1950s, the long-standing teaching that God lives on the star Alcyone in the Pleiades constellation was formally jettisoned. In the early 1950s, the long-standing claim that vaccinations are a work of the devil was abandoned. This was to facilitate travel by Watchtower officials, who had to have certificates of vaccination for international travel. In 1945, the notion that vaccinations violate "the everlasting covenant between God and Noah" was applied to blood transfusions, and over the next decade this was gradually built into a complete ban on transfusions. In 1929, the teaching that the Great Pyramid of Gizeh was built at God's direction and was an important marker in "Bible chronology" was changed to be that the Great Pyramid was the work of the devil. Beginning in the 1920s, in the magazine "The Golden Age", the Society hawked all sorts of quack medical ideas, claiming that the medical establishment was a complete fraud. In the 1920s, the Society recommended a bizzare, quack machine called "The Electronic Radio Biola" as a cure for all sorts of chronic diseases. In 1876, the founder and first president of the Watchtower Society, Charles Taze Russell, began claiming that Christ had returned invisibly to the earth in 1874. In 1943, the Society changed this date to 1914. Russell's teaching was based on the failed prediction of his mentor, an Adventist named Nelson Barbour, that Christ would return visibly in 1874. In 1877, Russell claimed that Armageddon would begin in 1878. When that failed to happen, he claimed it did, but invisibly. In 1877, Russell predicted the complete end of all nations by 1914. This became a staple of Bible Student teaching. When that failed to occur, Russell's followers gradually decided that the end had occurred, but invisibly. In 1877, Russell predicted that the long-awaited "resurrection of the saints" would occur in 1878. In 1878, when "the saints" failed to appear, Russell predicted that they'd appear in 1881. When that failed, he claimed that they were indeed resurrected, but invisibly. When "the end" failed to appear in 1914 but WWI began, Russell claimed that Armageddon had begun, and predicted it would end in 1918. In 1918, Joseph Rutherford, second president of the Watchtower Society, began an advertising campaign called "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". He predicted that Armageddon would occur in 1925. Between 1918 and 1925, many Bible Students prepared for "the end" by selling their property and engaging in preaching for the "Millions" campaign. When 1925 rolled past uneventfully, nearly 3/4 of the Bible Students quit. After 1925, Rutherford emphasized that very soon, the "ancient worthies" such as Abraham, Samuel and David would soon be resurrected and take over the governing of the earth. In 1929, the Society began work on a mansion for Rutherford to live in, in San Diego. This came to be called Beth Sarim. About 1930, Rutherford formally deeded Beth Sarim to "the ancient worthies" and described how his followers should recognize them. Beth Sarim was initially described in Watchtower publications as a home for "the ancient worthies". Today the Society describes Beth Sarim as a home for Rutherford. According to some sources, that's probably closer to the truth, because Rutherford, as a drunk and adulterer, was a thorn in the side of his underlings. In the early 1940s, the Society built a bomb shelter for Rutherford on a property near Beth Sarim and called it Beth Shan. They later claimed that they never built such a thing. In 1967 the Society banned organ transplants, calling the practice cannibalism. The policy was reversed in 1979. In 1971 the Society began teaching that the physical heart is the seat of human emotion, and carries on "conversations" with the physical brain, which determines what a person does. This teaching was illustrated at the 1971 district conventions with a giant green brain and a giant red heart on the speaker's platform, where during the introductory speech, a dialog was played with the heart and brain "talking" to one another. During the speech, the heart would light up when it "talked" and the brain would light up when it "conversed". In 1971, the Society began a program of instructing the JW community what to do and not do sexually, in embarrassing detail. Oral and anal sex were described in public talks, and condemned. Over the next few years this resulted in the opposite of what they intended in some cases, and in others to the disintegration of marriages. After a number of lawsuits by injured non-JW marriage partners, the Society largely abandoned these teachings in the early 1980s. In 1966, the Society began predicting that "big things" would come not later than 1975. By the next year, this had grown into a nearly definite prediction that the battle of Armageddon would come by 1975. When that failed to happen, the rapid growth of the JWs in the years between 1967 and 1975 reversed. In 1993 to 1995, upon realizing that its teachings about "the generation of 1914" were about to go down the tubes, the Society drastically revised its ideas, and made the idea virtually meaningless. Most JWs barely noticed. In 2002, about a week before the NBC Dateline program on child molestation problems in the JWs aired, the Society directed the elders of three congregations to disfellowship four people who were prominently to appear on the show: Barbara Anderson, William Bowen, and Carl and Barbara Pandelo. The Society claimed to the news media that the disfellowshippings had nothing to do with Dateline. With respect to the cartoonish nature of the "1914 doctrine" of JWs, Carl Sagan made an interesting comment: "Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions. " But not always. One prominent American religion confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as I can see, seem to have ended. There are at least three responses that an organized religion can make in the face of such a failed and fundamental prophecy. They could have said, "Oh, did we say `1914'? So sorry, we meant `2014.' A slight error in calculation. Hope you weren't inconvenienced in any way." But they did not. They could have said, "Well, the world would have ended, except we prayed very hard and interceded with God so He spared the Earth." But they did not. Instead, they did something much more ingenious. They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout. It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration were needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry. [Carl Sagan, Broca's Brain,Ballantine Books, New York, 1982, pp. 332-3] I've often thought that the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses are reminiscent of the lunatic rebel leader in Woody Allen's film "Bananas", where once he got power, he instituted all sorts of lunatic changes. I hope that my comments give you some food for thought, and that you'll take them into account as you finalize KNOCKING. In my opinion, Jehovah's Witnesses are an extremely destructive sect, because they often destroy families and long-standing friendships. Their misguided policy on blood transfusions has killed thousands of innocents. Examined critically, many of their beliefs and much of their history are cartoonish by anyone's standards. --------- Alan Feuerbacher -------------------------------- PBS Film Commentary Jehovah's Witnesses PBS Film KNOCKING Omits the Facts. Added: (Wed Aug 10 2005). Jehovah's Witnesses are a destructive sect, because they destroy families ... www.truthandgrace.com/WtPBS.htm - 21k
DannyHaszard	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:25:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Maine Post 1898 of 5120 Since 5/6/2005	KISS & TELL-JW 'KNOCKING' Producer GAY? useful intel NOT a gay bashing thread
carla	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:15:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Post 1324 of 5370 Since 4/23/2005	Another thought, in WI the local fund raising is coming up for public tv. Many could call and ask if that documentary will be shown, if so, then tell them how sorry you will not be able to donate this year or buy anything from the auction. Heck, we could even call each other's stations out of state and make the same claim. I'd be willing to make a few calls.
AlmostAtheist	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:39:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Ohio Post 3556 of 5775 Since 8/26/2004	I've been hearing from interested ones from Arizona to Arkansas and everywhere in between I know the director claims not to be a JW, but who else uses the phrase "interested ones"? I believe the text said his mother is a JW, I wonder how steeped he has been in the culture? Good job, Danny and Alan! Dave
outoftheorg	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:35:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Post 2014 of 2309 Since 6/18/2002	There are several words and phrases in this promotion that are unique to jw's. This is a blatant attempt to promote the wbts jw's using the pbs system to promote a cult that is dangerous to the public. I went to the pbs site and sent them a letter "e mail" using the pedophile and shunning results and how it destroys families as a way to show pbs that this is a dangerous cult. NOT a christian religion. Reminding them of their duty as a teaching organization does not allow them to promote a religion and even more so, not a cult. That they are actually promoting a dangerous cult. We need to bombard pbs with letters and or e mails to make some impression of the amount of viewers that object to this project. Outoftheorg
Finally-Free	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:41:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Ontario Post 1626 of 8428 Since 7/15/2005	I've been hearing from interested ones from Arizona to Arkansas and everywhere in between. Whether he means that from an alphabetical or geographical perspective, it's not very impressive. W
kid-A	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:45:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Post 1261 of 3124 Since 6/18/2005	There is no official connection to the Watchtower Society, though the Bethel organization in Brooklyn, Patterson and Wallkill, New York has been cooperative with the producers of this film. We interviewed Watchtower representatives on camera and filmed inside Bethel. Watchtower has no financial ties to this project, nor any editorial control. That says it all! There is no way in HELL the WTBS would have allowed his cameras within 100 miles of them if they had not first meticulously approved the script and all the content of the documentary. This alone renders this a "non-documentary" in that the 'documentarian' has already allied himself with the subject of his investigation and completely biased his content, a priori.
GetBusyLiving	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:50:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Alberta, Calgary Post 2968 of 3285 Since 12/10/2004	It makes me sick to the pit of my very being that this bias shit will be unleashed on the world via PBS. Has anyone gotten a response back to their letters of outrage? GBL
Gary1914	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:53:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Post 112 of 346 Since 11/20/2002	Kid-A, I wholeheartedly agree!
DannyHaszard	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:58:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Maine Post 1899 of 5120 Since 5/6/2005	We need to bombard pbs with letters and or e mails to make some impression of the amount of viewers that object to this project.
sf	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:08:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Post 6195 of 8056 Since 3/16/2001	New York has been cooperative with the producers of this film. We interviewed Watchtower representatives on camera and filmed inside Bethel. Yet, they won't allow Dateline camera's in for comments on the child molestation issue or interviews regarding the "BIG NEWS". Par! sKally
valkyrie	Re: Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:11:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Post 9 of 304 Since 12/1/2005	I wouldn't act in haste to condemn or denigrate the piece before it has been viewed. Why? See how the following website ["The Masonic Connection of the Watchtower II"] demonstrates Mr. Engardio's earlier reportage on the state of JW doctrine (http://www.cephasministry.com/masonic_connection_of_the_watchtower_2.html): The biggest change in doctrine in decades (no more "1914 generation") is having an effect on many Witnesses, though the Watchtower would not tell you that. The L.A. Times (S.F.Valley edition) ran an article on the change recently, and the Newsweek of November 18,1995 featured an article entitled, "Apocalypse Later." Newsweek magazine - December 18, 1995, p.59, Religion section. Article by Kenneth L. Woodard, with Joel P. Engardio.. Title: Apocalypse Later. Subtitle: Jehovah's Witnesses decide the end, "THE THIRD MILLENNIUM, is just four years away, and you'd think that Jehovah's Witnesses would be ecstatic. Ever since the movement's inception in the 1870s, the Witnesses have insisted that the world, as we know it, is about to end. According to their unique "Biblical" calculations, the countdown to Armageddon commenced in 1914 - the first world war was a major sign - and Christ would establish his millennial kingdom on earth "before the generation who saw the events of 1914, passes away." For countless Witnesses, this prediction was good reason not to save money, start a career or make burial plans. As one of their leaders famously preached in 1918: "Millions now living will never die." "Now, it seems, all millennial bets are off. In last month's issue of The Watchtower, the sect's leaders quietly acknowledged that Jesus was right in the first place, when he said that "noone knows the day or the hour." All previous references to timetables for Armageddon, the magazine now suggests, were speculation rather than settled doctrine. The year 1914 still marks the beginning of the last days. But those who hoped to witness the battle of Armageddon and the establishment of God's kingdom on earth will have to wait. Henceforth, any generation that experiences such calamities as war and plagues like AIDS could be the one to witness the end times. In short, the increasingly middleclass Witnesses would do well to buy life insurance." ************ It appears that Mr. Engardio is capable of producing an unbiased report on some aspect of JW-life. He simply may choose not to reveal his hand too early in the 'game'. How else to secure the trust and cooperation of potentially hostile and suspicious participants? Just food for thought. - V. (apologies, in advance, for this partial reproduction of a post from a related - but no longer active (save for my recent post) - thread).
DannyHaszard	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:13:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Maine Post 1900 of 5120 Since 5/6/2005	[....But we don’t shy from criticism. Our aim is that everything is fair and accurate. We show both the ups and downs, including what it is like for Witnesses who have unbelieving or opposing family members, and how divided families can find common ground. For instance, the young man who undergoes a groundbreaking bloodless liver transplant has opposing family members who come to the hospital to see first-hand how the new bloodless technology works.]] What this sounds like to me,just my educated opinion: This is misleading as most "divided JW familys" have been wrecked by the Watchtower cult in the first place and are forbidden by the WT leaders from ever finding any "common ground".The "bloodless technology" is a expeditious spin-off of a deadly and bogus no blood dogma. Thye are going to portray "opposers" as bigoted ignorants who need to find JW/WT enlightment.
valkyrie	Re: Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:19:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Post 10 of 304 Since 12/1/2005	Oops! I saw DH's post (2 minutes after mine was in limbo for format correction) and almosted posted same message twice!
Oroborus21	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:19:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
California Post 899 of 1382 Since 6/17/2002	I find it pretty amazing that any of you would pre-judge something that you haven't even seen in its final form or even a rough-cut of. All you have is the description of the thing and what it has been described and what is from the website. But the thing isn't even done yet! Why not wait to see how it actually turns out and then complain about it if you must? When you actually have facts or counter-arguments or flaws to point out. You don't know what the documentary will cover and what it won't, etc. and you are all gong off about it. You lost a lot of credibility with this one Danny. This kind of thing only gives opposers to JWs a bad name and proves that you are just as judgmental and biased as Jehovah's Witnesses can be. You are all no better because just as JWs do not permit certain speech and try to place a chilling effect upon certain speech - all of you that have posted in this thread advocating a prior-restraint or speaking out against this movie are doing exactly the same thing that the Society does. -Eduardo
DannyHaszard	Re: Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary posted Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:30:00 GMT (2/13/2006)
Maine Post 1901 of 5120 Since 5/6/2005	You lost a lot of credibility with this one Danny I have no personal ego and no credentials or credibilty to worry about losing.Aren't you some kind of prestigious legal hack? There are hundreds of active pro JW pages,blogs and sites already linked to Knocking.org. Now if this is a 'fair and unbiased' production they will be in for a big shock won't they?

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