Diseases that force you to violate Jehovah's commands

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    F rebel8 posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:38:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    A few days ago I ate a corn nut that was kind of sharp. It made a very tiny scratch on my tongue the size of a period (.). I have a bleeding disorder so it bled for 3 hours. I also had a nosebleed during this time. I swallowed blood as this is unavoidable. I imagine that is common sense to normal people. Dubs used to tell me a variety of things about this:

    1. I need to avoid swallowing even 1 cell of blood. I need to show Jehoopla I am trying to be faithful. To accomplish this I must lean forward over a basin when I'm having a mouth/nose bleed to let the blood drip out (this causes more pressure and makes the bleed worse). Then I need to find a way to pour it out on the ground. If I fail then I will be put to death at Armageddon--sin's wages is death--but I will have the hope of the resurrection if repentant. As a kid it was a standard thing for me to confess and repent from this in my daily prayers.
    2. If I was just more faithful I would not be faced with this situation. All I need to do is pray/take useless vitamins/stop secretly sinning/get rid of demon-infested items in my house.
    3. No one banned corn nuts specifically but I was required to avoid situations in which a bleed would be more likely to occur (skiing, etc.). Except of course any prevention strategy that they didn't approve of, such as taking birth control pills (the only thing that raises my clotting factor level--not allowed).

    Really some of the most redonkulous logic at work. Batguano insane.

    I wonder if there are other diseases that cause people to violate Jehoho's commands, such as Tourette's (swearing), things that make you miss meetings, etc., and if those folks are out/on their way out of the Borg. I imagine this scenario is a strong impetus to escaping.

    iCeltic posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:44:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    Thats rubbish that you've had to go through that, it can't be easy for you.

    I was unaware that JWs couldn't take the pill, are you sure about that? I've known plenty of JW woman on the pill.

    designs posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:45:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    You could fake Tourette's and be asked to stay home. I do remember a JW family in LA who gave their son marijuana for asthema (old Mexican folk remedy).

    F rebel8 posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:02:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    <---iCeltic, look where I'm from. It's the seat of jw fundamentalism.

    Yes I was not allowed to take the pill. I got a prescription promptly after leaving dubbery and the quality of my life improved instantly and dramatically.

    @ one point I asked for surgery to stop my periods--at least that would have solved 1 of my problems--but the elders said my responsibility as a female is to bear children after Armageddon so I shouldn't be showing a lack of appreciation for Jehoopla's gift.

    Basically I think they were determined to make me a human sacrifice--everything I could do to make my situation better was not allowed.

    When the ovum, that is, the egg cell from which the baby starts, is at large or is on its way from the woman's ovary through her Fallopian tube to the uterus, there it remains for an uncertain length of time, which varies greatly with different females. Then is the time when conception can take place if the ovum is met by a male life sperm. During that same time the female is sexually aroused and is ready for the sex act that at this time will cause a baby to result. This bearing of children is the sole privilege of the female. In fact, this is one main reason for creating the female of the human species. Watchtower 1961 December 15 pp. 767-768

    Are there other diseases that make people violate the cult rules?

    designs posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:05:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    Dental visits, you drink some of your own blood.

    iCeltic posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:20:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    Nice WT quote. It's amazing what you'll accept when part of it and how you look back and can't believe you did.

    Pm'd you about it.

    Jadeen posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:39:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    Sometimes after lumbar punctures, cerebrospinal fluid will continue to weep from the injection site. Gives the patient a massive headache if they stand or sit, but it goes away if they lie down. A epidural blood patch is used to repair the injection site- a small amount of blood is removed from the patient and injected into the same area. The blood clots and stops CFS from leaking. It's kind of cool to see, because the patient feels better right away.

    I think they also have glues that can be used to patch the leak.

    M wha happened? posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:43:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    @ one point I asked for surgery to stop my periods--at least that would have solved 1 of my problems--but the elders said my responsibility as a female is to bear children after Armageddon so I shouldn't be showing a lack of appreciation for Jehoopla's gift.

    I had a vas, so am I also marked for destruction?

    F rebel8 posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:49:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    Dental visits, you drink some of your own blood.

    LOL, I never thought about that.

    I remember we couldn't even lick stamps b/c they said it was made from horses' blood.

    wha happened, I guess you are on death row with me then! Although you're a man so you probably get a pass. Remember, reproduction was a main reason for creating females, not males.

    F rebel8 posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:53:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    So from a doctrinal POV, there is no way to make this scenario logical if Jehoover is loving. I wonder why this doesn't convince more dubs to leave?

    Nobleheart posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:05:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    1) Chronic fatigue syndrome and 2) depression were 2 medical conditions that made people miss numerous meetings in my KH. (and they weren't considered weak for it)

    M BluesBrother posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:08:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    the elders said my responsibility as a female is to bear children after Armageddon so I shouldn't be showing a lack of appreciation

    Hi rebel8, I think that we can all sympathise with your condition - it must be hell , (BTW I have always enjoyed your posts..)

    Of course I do not deny that the elders told you that , they can be nuts enough for anything, however there are many sisters who have had hysterectomies and some at a young age . There has never been an issue over here with the principle of child-bearing. I helped one such sister find a surgeon who was sympathetic to non blood use, and that was with the aid of the Bethel , before HLCs came into being

    I am just saying that I do not think they all would have said that or that they would do so nowadays...but that does not change the past, we know, or the damage done by stupid "counsel " that was no more than personal opinion....

    NOLAW posted Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:37:00 GMT(3/31/2012)

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    wha happened? : You can get a nice DF certificate for that!

    PaintedToeNail posted Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:52:00 GMT(3/31/2012)

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    I took the pill as a JW many years ago. I never asked anyone for 'permission' before I got the prescription.

    It is nice to know that my main purpose in life is to bear other human beings...I have fulfilled my duty...lol! Here I was hoping to find meaning in my life, and I totally missed why I was here...

    mP posted Sat, 31 Mar 2012 04:18:00 GMT(3/31/2012)

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    isnt gluttony against gods law. overeatting is a real problem in many western countries, and eberyone seems to be saying eatters have a disease or mental problem.. a large majority of our food has blood products too boost protein and iron and so on? that sliced bread has a few specks of blood. the list really is endless.

    Chemical Emotions posted Sat, 31 Mar 2012 04:43:00 GMT(3/31/2012)

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    This thread is making me sad, especially that WT quotation. How I hate the borg. :/

    F rebel8 posted Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:09:00 GMT(3/31/2012)

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    and they weren't considered weak for it

    Wow, really?!

    Heaven posted Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:24:00 GMT(3/31/2012)

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    I suspect any disease related to blood would be in violation. So... kidney disease, Hemophilia, cancer, high cholesterol, heart disease.

    Any disease of the brain would also violate Jehovah's commands to preach to all the inhabitted Earth because if your mind can't work, you're certainly not going to be able to function talking to people about why they have to join up. My Father has had a lot of guilt and sadness over not being able to continue in the Field Serve-Us, study, and meeting activities because he has dementia.

    dgp posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 02:59:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Would they expect someone on a wheelchair to go out and preach?

    bsmart posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 03:45:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Would they expect someone on a wheelchair to go out and preach?

    yes, I knew a paralized man who had his daughter fill out his time slip.

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