Australia : a JW woman dies after refusing blood

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    yalbmert99 posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:25:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2011/11/11/276021_todays-news.html

    ABibleStudent posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:33:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    Thanks for sharing yalbmert99. I wish that more people were informed about the WTBTS' blood policy when they initially meet JWs so that they would be inspired to RUN AWAY from JWs!!

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

    No Room For George posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:00:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    Gene Smalley wins again.

    stuckinamovement posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:33:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    You know its funny, the Service Meeting last night had the part on "why Jehovah's Witnesses don't take blood transfusions". The source material was the historic reasoning book with its epic flawed logic. As the speaker droned on and on I kept thinking..."What the Hell, Witnesses now can take almost 100% of blood as long as it is fractionated. Here they pride themselves on obeying God's law on blood, yet ignore the fact that they use gallons of blood in factions?"

    One sister smartly comments that "when you have bled out,all you need is ringers solution to expand the volume". I thought to myself, "what a bunch of fucking retards. Will ringers solution carry oxygen to your brain? if so she needs some stat because she is brain dead"

    People like this woman in the article who died, do so because they have been so confused about the new policy on fractions that they think it is best just to say no to blood. The Watchtower has made the situation even worse by their new convoluted policy that allows lifesaving blood in fractions, but has failed to adequately communicate the fact, so many people still continue to sacrifice their lives to the God of Gene Smalley.

    "True christians out of respect for the almighty God, do not eat pizza in any shape or form. This is something that must be abstained from according to scripture. However, some Christians with a godly conscience, might allow themselves to eat minor components of pizza, such as tomato sauce, cheese, bread, onions, olives and pepperoni reasoning that these items by themself do not constitute pizza as a whole and thus would not be a violation of God's standard on abstaining from pizza". It is not our place to judge those brothers and sisters who conscientously hold to God's righteous standard.

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    No Room For George posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:41:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    "True christians out of respect for the almighty God, do not eat pizza in any shape or form. This is something that must be abstained from according to scripture. However, some Christians with a godly conscience, might allow themselves to eat minor components of pizza, such as tomato sauce, cheese, bread, onions, olives and pepperoni reasoning that these items by themself do not constitute pizza as a whole and thus would not be a violation of God's standard on abstaining from pizza". It is not our place to judge those brothers and sisters who conscientously hold to God's righteous standard.

    Exactly!!!!!

    skeeter1 posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:48:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    There's a little problem with the pizza analogy...

    The only place one can find hemoglobin, clotting factors, etc..... is IN blood. Whereas, one can find cheese and pepperoni from other sources.

    So, better would be to say that you can't eat a tomato, for Jehovah God has rejected it. But, you can eat ketchup, tomato sauce, tomato paste, spaghetti sauce, enchilada sauce, taco sauce, tomato skins, tomato pulp, tomato seeds ..... as those are not a tomato any more!

    Sad to see her die. Is there any way we can contact the coroner? Perhaps send him our thanks for his courage in speaking up?

    Skeeter

    discreetslave posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:54:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    How sad another person lost to this

    OUTLAW posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:22:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    JW`s can`t eat blood or have a blood transfusion because..

    The bible says to pour animal blood on the Ground..

    So JW`s use a blood substitute made from Cow Blood..

    HemoPure..

    JW`s still can`t eat blood but..

    They can have a cow blood transfusion that was supposed to be poured on the ground..

    Why does this sound confusing?..

    Would I understand this better if I was WatchTarded?..

    ...............................OUTLAW

    MrFreeze posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:28:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    And the WT death toll rises.

    skeeter1 posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:29:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    Is there any way we can contact the coroner who spoke up? Perhaps send him our thanks for his courage in speaking up?

    MrMonroe posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:03:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    The saddest part of the story:

    Mr Chandler said no criticism should be made of Mrs Allen, or her husband, for their choice of religious faith.

    "However, as baptised Jehovah's Witnesses they were obligated by their religion to abide by its doctrine that forbids the ingestion of blood or blood products."

    It is the right of anyone to make a conscientious decision about their form of medical treatment. If they choose to die, that's their right. But Jehovah's Witnesses don't have a choice. They are compelled to obey a directive from a bunch of old men in New York who ignore medical facts and persist with a perverted interpretation of one Bible passage. They are the one single religion in the world who insist their interpretation is correct.

    JW GoneBad posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:12:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    Hey OUTLAW, no bull, here is the WTBTS article saying its' O.K. and up to a JW's conscience to accept a cow based hemoglobin transfusion:

    "Within each red blood cell are some 300 million hemoglobin molecules. Hemoglobin represents about one third of the volume of a mature red cell. Each molecule contains the protein globin and a pigment called heme—which includes an iron atom. When a red blood cell passes through the lungs, oxygen molecules penetrate the cell and attach themselves to hemoglobin molecules. Seconds later, the oxygen is discharged into body tissue, sustaining the life of the cells.

    Some manufacturers now process hemoglobin, releasing it from human or bovine (Cow, Cattle) red blood cells. The extracted hemoglobin is then filtered to remove impurities, chemically modified and purified, mixed with a solution, and packaged. The end product—not yet approved for use in most lands—is called a hemoglobin-based oxygen carrier, or HBOC. Since the heme is responsible for the rich red color of blood, a unit of HBOC looks just like a unit of red blood cells, the primary component from which it is taken.

    Unlike red blood cells, which must be refrigerated and discarded after a few weeks, the HBOC can be stored at room temperature and used months later. And since the cell membrane with its unique antigens is gone, severe reactions due to mismatched blood types pose no threat. However, compared with other blood fractions, the HBOC presents more challenges to conscientious Christians, who seek to obey God’s law on blood. Why? As long as the HBOC is derived from blood, there are two objections that may be raised. One, the HBOC carries out the key function of a primary component of blood, the red cells. Two, hemoglobin, from which the HBOC is derived, makes up a significant portion of that component. Regarding this and similar products, then, Christians face a very serious decision. They must carefully and prayerfully meditate on Bible principles concerning the sacredness of blood. With a keen desire to maintain a good relationship with Jehovah, each must be guided by his Bible-trained conscience."—Galatians 6:5. (8/06 Awake Pg 11)

    What Watchtarded thinking!

    MrMonroe posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:25:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    Absolutely ridiculous. Years ago "Abstain from blood" meant , um, don't take any blood. Now they're slipping in a few loopholes. In order to please their God, poorly-educated rank and file members are now expected to become experts on haemoglobins and platelets to decide whether this constitutes "taking blood" or that doesn't. It really is a tragedy for the millions trapped inside this religion, their lives dictated by the whims of the Governing Body.

    Why would the GB not have the guts to stand up say, "We were wrong"?

    What evidence is there that God is directing their decisions on haemoglobins?

    Maybe God will direct them to pick up their copy of the Hobart Mercury, read the coroner's recommendation and say, "Well, brothers, I suppose we could give it a try ..."

    PaintedToeNail posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:34:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    Very sad indeed. However, I'm surprised they tried to do a lap-band surgery at all with all her other medical conditions. SHE made her own decision, she was most likely informed of the inherent dangers of this procedure before had. I'm glad she had her medical wishes respected, as I would want my own respected too. That being said, I'm going through my wallet to find my ancient blood card and tear it up.

    CJ

    OUTLAW posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:59:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    Hey OUTLAW, no bull, here is the WTBTS article saying its' O.K. and up to a JW's conscience to accept a cow based hemoglobin transfusion:

    Yes your right..That article is about HemoPure..

    JW`s can`t have a Human blood transfusion because your supposed to pour animal Blood on the ground ..But..

    JW`s can have a blood transfusion from an animal blood..

    It makes no sense.. It`s WatchTarded ..

    ...............................OUTLAW

    finallysomepride posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:55:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    channel 7 just have it now on sunrise show

    finallysomepride posted Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:56:00 GMT(11/10/2011)

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    The question being, should doctors be allowed to over ride the wishes of the patient?

    Diest posted Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:16:00 GMT(11/11/2011)

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    Can witnesses drink TruBlood?

    F Snoozy posted Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:17:00 GMT(11/11/2011)

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    Quote:One sister smartly comments that "when you have bled out,all you need is ringers solution to expand the volume". I thought to myself, "what a bunch of fucking retards. Will ringers solution carry oxygen to your brain? if so she needs some stat because she is brain dead"

    When I was in the hospital I had lost a lot of blood. So much so that the anesthesiologist took it upon himself to give me ringers in both hands..he said my blood count was dangerously low. The Drs that the JW's had recommended wasn't even paying attention or he just didn't care. He was the only Dr around at the time that would operate without blood. Sometimes I wonder if the bad Drs were the only ones that would agree because it was the only way they could get patients!

    Anyway I was so weak it took me over a month to get my strength back..Were the JW's there to help me? No. My non JW mom that cried when I became a JW was there to cook and clean and watch her 3 grandchildren (and my JW hubby).

    The witnesses said It was a miracle from Jehovah that I lived..I say it was a Dr that cared and a loving Mom that helped me recover.

    Snoozy, who believes in giving praise to the one that deserves it.

    stuckinamovement posted Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:39:00 GMT(11/11/2011)

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    Great story snoozy. I am glad you made it.

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