Los Testigos de Jehova y las transfusiones de sangre

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    porfiada posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 07:42:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    Hola amigos

    Si tiene alguna duda o pregunta sobre el tema de las transfusiones de sangre, visiten:

    http://www.ajwrb.org/tjinfo.htm

    ....donde podran hallar todo lo que necesitan para hacer una decision responsable e informada.

    Recuerden lo que Uds decidan afectara directamente a Uds mismos y su familia cuando menos lo esperan.

    Les saluda afectuosamente

    Una TJ informada

    F AudeSapere posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:12:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    Posting Guideline 8: Posting in a language other than English.

    Can you please translate to English?

    Thank you!

    Abad-El posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:42:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    Hello friends If you have any doubt or question about blood transfusions, visit: http://www.ajwrb.org/tjinfo.htm .. .where you can find everything they need to make responsible and informed decision. Remember that Uds decide affect directly them Uds and his family when they least expect. She greets affectionately An informed JW

    Amelia Ashton posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:08:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    I never knew porfiada meant stubborn!

    dgp posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:31:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    "Porfiada" means "very stubborn". Another meaning is "roly-poly doll". I am not sure which meaning came first.

    I understand why it is against the rules to post stuff in languages other than English. Otherwise, the webmasters wouldn't know what people is posting and the website could be used for purposes other than the one intended.

    Just as a suggestion, I think that rule should be changed to not posting in languages other than English without a translation, in the understanding that, this being a website maintained by speakers of English, basically for speakers of English, it is also a place where people of many other languages could get to find the information that is lacking in their own native tongues. While you guys can easily read the old documents the Watchtower was built on, most witnesses and interested parties around the world just can't. And you guys happen to be the best organized and better informed of all. You also were closer to the events, and some of you were even at Bethel and personally met many of the big shots in the WT. The ability to post here and read a translation would immensely help others.

    Peaches1978 posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:18:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    weird i went into the link and the page is missing I wonder why?

    M BurnTheShips posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:28:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    Hello friends,

    If you have any doubts or questions on the subject of blood transfusions, visit:

    http://www.ajwrb.org/tjinfo.htm

    ....where you will find everything you need to make a responsible and informed decision.

    Remember that what you decide directly affects yourselves and your family when you least expect it.

    Warm greetings

    An informed JW,

    Hello, Porfiada.

    Porfiada:

    Este sitio es en Ingles, y esta llena de ex-Testigos de Jehova. Conocemos bien los problemas con las ensenanzas de los TJs en cuanto a las transfusiones de sangre.

    BTS

    dgp posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:29:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    Yes, the website is missing.

    M BurnTheShips posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:40:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    The page text comes up for me, although the images are missing. They might be having technical problems.

    BTS

    dgp posted Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:19:00 GMT(1/24/2011)

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    But the links don't work.

    Broken Promises posted Tue, 25 Jan 2011 02:54:00 GMT(1/25/2011)

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    Just as a suggestion, I think that rule should be changed to not posting in languages other than English without a translation, in the understanding that, this being a website maintained by speakers of English, basically for speakers of English, it is also a place where people of many other languages could get to find the information that is lacking in their own native tongues. ... The ability to post here and read a translation would immensely help others.

    I think that's a great idea.

    porfiada posted Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:11:00 GMT(1/27/2011)

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    Hi again

    I am sorry i did not translate the message for you. There is nothing in the post that you don't already know. Next time I will provide a translation, ok?

    I also know that we are mostly ex-JWS.

    I am officially an inactive JW but I don't see the need to DA because they can't even find a record of my baptism . So I said informed JW so as not spook active JWs, plus I am not lying!

    The intention of the post was to create a headline for and Spanish-speaking JWS who want to research the blood policy can find where to go for all the REAL info, as provided in Spanish on the AJWRB website. I don't know how to make a link here, I just copied and posted the http of the Spanish AJWRB website.

    I appreciate that in this forum we are well informed, with personal experiences from ex bethelites and the like, and its such a shame that Spanish and other language-speaking countries cannot easily access this info. I grew up in LatinAmerica with the JWs over there.....so I would really like to make more eye-opening info available to Spanish speaking JWs, as it is in these countries and Africa where it seems that the major growth of the WTS membership is nowdays.

    I would like to find such a good forum as this one in Spanish!!

    Let me know if you have nay ideas of topics to put here with a translation. I thought the the most urgent topic is the blood one.

    Cheers

    Porfiada ( a "muneco porfiado" is a dolly that always bounces back. This just plain porfiada, as I have been in and bounced out twice. Don't think I am going agan though because this time I have done my research.

    dgp posted Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:56:00 GMT(1/27/2011)

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    I agree with you, Porfiada. I think people like you (and I) can bridge that gap and connect speakers of Spanish and speakers of English, or speakers of other languages as well, provided they all speak English.

    I believe that having articles with translations on this forum is helpful simply because there are lots more information in English than there is in Spanish. And the level of such debates is certainly higher on a forum like this than in others - in general, because sometimes speakers of English just don't get it. I believe that posting here about the experiences in other communities can have what other people call a "viral effect", a term I do not particularly like but is appropriate this time. Say that one native speaker of Spanish finds information on this site, sees that information in Spanish (or French, or Japanese, or Chinese) and refers others to read that. Then the information and the discussions found here would reach even more people, who would in turn relay the information to others.

    Check EXTJ.COM. In there, you could play the same role you want to play here.

    porfiada posted Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:45:00 GMT(1/27/2011)

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    Hi dpg

    I had though of making up a Facebook groupo, for example, for Spanish speaking JWs but the problems are that JWs are of course discouraged to have a Facebook profile, so they couldn't join as followers, and that anyone who joins might be worried that other JWs may see their affiliation on FB.....I guess the proper thing would be to launch a website, but I don't think I can give that much attention to it, and have no clue how to make it.

    Thanks for the EXTJ.COM, I will check it out. It could be helpful to find some other ways of getting some messages out there....although if I were an active TJ I probably wouldn't look at Ex-TJ websites, so it could be hard to get any to take a look.

    I see that the unofficial JW/ TJ website http://www.noticiasteocraticas.org/ has the study Watchtower PDFs in various languages. It could be a start for us to access their material, though it probably is just the most recent issues.

    I have found a forum for JWs but they seem to be quite nuts, they just yell at each other!! They are complaining about apsotates....it is supposed to be for JWs only: http://foro.univision.com/t5/Testigos-de-Jehov√°/bd-p/testigosdejehova

    Its hard to know where to go!

    dgp posted Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:09:00 GMT(1/27/2011)

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    You are of course free to create a website of your own if you want to, but you don't have to do that.

    If you want information, I find that Freeminds and Jwfacts are very good. I like JWFacts very much. It has a serene and polite tone and you see that the web site owner who, by the way, you can find here, is not a fanatic thirsty for blood. Not because we're talking here, but JWN (this site) is also very good, in a different way.

    But, if you were or are a witness, I suppose that you know everything you need to know by now. You don't have to make sense of what you read, unlike me. You're there for the interaction and for comparing notes.

    You can find a wealth of information in Spanish on Freeminds. The people at EXTJ.com can help you as well. They have a good website and some very good posters, though their community is much smaller for the obvious reason that the Spanish speaking world tends to have less access to internet and less of a habit to find information there. Also, the Spanish speaking community has been burned for a much shorter time. I don't think there are many Spanish-speaking active witnesses who have been in the religion for, say, three generations.

    4Jehova.org has information in Spanish as well. However, they tend to have a more religious approach to things. I am not religious and I prefer a different approach. Now, you (and others) have a right to believe that there's a God out there and my kind of information will not be what you would like.

    Those websites you mentioned are for active Jehovah's witnesses only.

    porfiada posted Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:38:00 GMT(1/30/2011)

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    HOla

    Encontre un aritculo en Espaniol sobre este tema, donde hay varios mas artciuclos en este idioma sobre temas relacionados con la Sociedad Watchtower.

    Este articulo se titula Gene Smalley y la Doctrina de Transfusión de Sangre de la Watchtower y esta ubicado en (les ruego copiar y pegar porfavor esta dirreccionen una nueva barra de direccion HTML) http://www.freeminds.org/languages/espanol/gene-smalley-y-la-doctrina-de-transfusion-de-sangre-de-la-watchtower.html

    Espero les sea util

    Saludos!

    Porfiada

    porfiada posted Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:03:00 GMT(1/30/2011)

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    Hi fellow English -speaking friends,

    Just so you know, I added in my last comment on this blog a link for an article from www.freeminds.org on Gene Smalley (the main person behind the "New Light" on blood transfusions (BT).

    @dgp Thanks for the other sites, I totally agree with you that freeminds and jwfacts and are probably the best sites for good info confused JWs. As well as this forum..... Hey, so never were a witness? What attracts you to this website? Have you got JW family?

    The blood issue got me out of the borg this time. I loved the biblical explanation from the AJWRB website, though I doubt that there are for real many active witnesses behind that site. JWs just churn at the thought of accepting a BT. Thanks for your help!

    OOPs I see I made many typos in my Spanish post- must proof read next time!

    Cheers

    Porfiada

    dgp posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 19:59:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    "Testigo de He Man" (He-Man's witness) is translating the new elder's manual into Spanish. His blog can be found here:

    http://estudiodelaatalaya.blogspot.com/

    M BurnTheShips posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:02:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    Why can't we wikileak a Spanish manual? There are plenty out there. If magazine circulation is any guide, there are more Spanish congos worldwide than English ones.

    BTS

    dgp posted Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:28:00 GMT(2/5/2011)

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    Burn the Ships, if you can find the Spanish version, that would be extremely appreciated.

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