Share

Viewed 633 times

Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book?

    insearchoftruth Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:16:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit

    United States Virginia

    Post 1445 of 1564
    Since 2/9/2006

    The information at the bottom of this post is from the Keep Yourself in God's Love book, the appendix, and is a bit of the discussion of fractions......what I find interesting is this book uses a lot of the information from the November 2006 Our Kingdom Ministry article on blood fractions, but omits the statement:

    "Of course many fractions are derived from blood that has been donated for medical purposes." 

    This seems to be more than just an oversite.  I asked my wife where fractions come from and she referred to Keep Yourself in Gods Love book, so she said she really did not know (which I think was acting dumb for the sake of not having to answer the question), but if this omitted statement were in the Keep Yourself book, there would be no doubt.  

    By leaving this statement out, it would be more palatable for a JW to be willing to accept a fraction since it is not written before them in WTS literature that the fractions are from blood that was not "poured out on the ground"......

     

    Blood Fractions
    and Surgical Procedures
    Blood fractions. Fractions are derived from the four primary blood
    components-red cells, white cells, platelets, and plasma. For example, red cells
    contain the protein hemoglobin. Products developed from human or animal
    hemoglobin have been used to treat patients who have acute anemia or massive
    blood loss.
    Plasma-which is 90 percent water-carries scores of hormones, inorganic salts,
    enzymes, and nutrients, including minerals and sugar. Plasma also carries clotting
    factors, antibodies to fight disease, and such proteins as albumin. If someone is
    exposed to a certain disease, doctors might prescribe injections of gamma globulin
    extracted from the plasma of people who already had immunity. White blood cells
    may be a source of interferons and interleukins, used to treat some viral infections
    and cancers.
    Should Christians accept therapies incorporating blood fractions? The Bible does not
    give specific details, so each one must make his own conscientious decision before
    God. Some would refuse all fractions, reasoning that God's Law to Israel required
    that blood removed from a creature be "[poured] out upon the ground."
    (Deuteronomy 12:22-24) Others, while refusing transfusions of whole blood or its
    major components, might accept treatments involving a fraction. They may reason
    that at some point fractions that have been extracted from blood cease to represent
    the life of the creature from which the blood was taken.

    Hope4Others Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:21:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit


    Canada

    Post 4818 of 4987
    Since 1/28/2008

    Should Christians accept therapies incorporating blood fractions? The Bible does not
    give specific details, so each one must make his own conscientious decision before
    God. Some would refuse all fractions, reasoning that God's Law to Israel required
    that blood removed from a creature be "[poured] out upon the ground."
    (Deuteronomy 12:22-24) Others, while refusing transfusions of whole blood or its
    major components, might accept treatments involving a fraction. They may reason
    that at some point fractions that have been extracted from blood cease to represent
    the life of the creature from which the blood was taken

    My thoughts are because even though they say its a matter of conscience it still will get you axed to do it......

     

    Quandry Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:26:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit


    United States Texas

    Post 2627 of 2783
    Since 5/17/2006

    That's like eating a hamburger but not knowing where the meat comes from.

    How does anyone not know where the BLOOD fractions come from?

    insearchoftruth Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:28:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit

    United States Virginia

    Post 1446 of 1564
    Since 2/9/2006

    How does anyone not know where the BLOOD fractions come from?

    I attribute it to selective stupidity or ignorance.....

    Tuesday Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:34:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit


    United States Rhode Island

    Post 1638 of 1798
    Since 4/4/2003

    Others, while refusing transfusions of whole blood or its
    major components, might accept treatments involving a fraction.

    This is why people don't know about transfusions or where fractions come from, because of selective evidence provided by the society.  They're telling people transfusions are whole blood when they're not.

    insearchoftruth Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:59:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit

    United States Virginia

    Post 1448 of 1564
    Since 2/9/2006

     

    They're telling people transfusions are whole blood when they're not.

    Great point Tuesday........much of the writings are at a third grade comprehension level, but they are very careful and intentional about what is included and what is not, keep the writings vague enough to weasel out....

    choosing life Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:40:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit



    Post 2211 of 2376
    Since 4/15/2006

    They do not use whole blood transfusions anymore. They always use fractions as they get more specific uses from each donated unit of blood this way.

    I believe that nothing is left out accidentally by the writing/legal staff when it comes to sensitive issues like blood. I think they put the real info about blood fractions out once so they can say that they informed their members. No need to repeat.

    Blood fractions can only come from blood. Seems obvious, but not to some dubs who are trying to make sense of the new rules from top.

    isaacaustin Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:44:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit




    Post 2629 of 4291
    Since 4/21/2005

    Yeah, they are basically want members to think they avoid transfusions (and have them think transfusions are whole blood) but it is up to the inidividual whether they want to accept a fraction (also a transfusion but not called that in WT world).  Hang onto this for awhile...slowly weaving in the disallowed components to make it seem like a small change all the while.  And make it appear they always taught this- nothing new.

    steve2 Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:16:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit


    New Zealand

    Post 2594 of 2703
    Since 10/31/2004

    It's a fascinating modern-day example of "splitting hairs" - or in this case "fractionating blood" with the use of some parts of blood left to the individual's conscience. Arbitrary to say the least.

    However, the aspect of this that I object to the most is not so much the pathetic attempt to borrow the language of science and medicine to justify an increasingly stupid stand, but the sheer hypocrisy of both the Watchtower and its followers:

    Some of these "conscience" blood fractions are derived from mutiple blood-donations (i.e., it takes lots of individual blood donations to build up enough of the fraction given to just one patient). It seems to me the height of hypocrisy to be "free" to choose whether to make use of these blood-based fractions, but to refuse - on religious grounds - to donate one's blood for the same purpose!  

    BabaYaga Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:52:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit




    Post 3238 of 3670
    Since 8/30/2006

    I think they left it out because the logical conclusion drawn can be that it must be okay to donate blood, then, too.

     

    isaacaustin Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:02:00 GMT (8/11/2009) edit




    Post 2632 of 4291
    Since 4/21/2005

    perhaps allowing donation will be next on the agenda?

    dudeson Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:06:00 GMT (8/12/2009) edit



    Post 31 of 73
    Since 7/12/2009

    I carried around the blood card for about 2 years but I never filled out my health care proxy. Eventually I got rid of the blood card secretly because if I was ever in an accident where someone else's blood could save my life I wanted to live.

    The blood issue came to my mind when I would hear at the meetings that we would never want to take risks that would endanger our lives because jehovah thought our life was sacred. Then I hear that the blood is sacred, that the "life is on the blood". So which should I choose? I choose life.

    ldrnomo Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:37:00 GMT (8/12/2009) edit


    United States Washington

    Post 424 of 557
    Since 9/8/2007

    Many just refuse not to know. It's like those that eat meat and refuse to think about the slaughter of animals that takes place in a "slaughter house".

    J dumbs just don't want to know as long as the head of the bORG says it's OK to take them they will and not want to know where they came from.

    When I was a elder and asked the rest of the elder body where they thought fractions came from it took 10 men 30 seconds to answer finally one said, "they come from the blood supply".

    I later asked another elder why he did not volunteer an answer when I asked this question. He said, because he didn't know. This is an elder (appointed by Holy Spirit?) Yes folks it is, and how many more in the bORG just don't know where it comes from

    LD

    BabaYaga Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:41:00 GMT (8/12/2009) edit




    Post 3247 of 3670
    Since 8/30/2006

    ldrnomo said:

    When I was a elder and asked the rest of the elder body where they thought fractions came from it took 10 men 30 seconds to answer finally one said, "they come from the blood supply".

    I later asked another elder why he did not volunteer an answer when I asked this question. He said, because he didn't know. This is an elder (appointed by Holy Spirit?) Yes folks it is, and how many more in the bORG just don't know where it comes from

    Wow.  I am stunned.  How is this even possible?  What do they think the term "blood FRACTIONS" means?  Fractions of BLOOD, perhaps?

    Does the medical community even use the term blood fractions, or is it all WTBTS?  Google "blood fractions" and you will get an endless slew of WT related URLs.

    insearchoftruth Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:53:00 GMT (8/12/2009) edit

    United States Virginia

    Post 1450 of 1564
    Since 2/9/2006

     

    Wow.  I am stunned.  How is this even possible?  What do they think the term "blood FRACTIONS" means?  Fractions of BLOOD, perhaps?l

    Last evening I pretty much just dumped on the husband of the sister my wife is studying with and one of the questions I asked was on fractions and to show me where the bible allows fractions.......he started with the the statement about when blood is broken down into components it no longer is symbolic of life and the life is no longer in the blood, so I asked then why transfuse a fraction with no life in it....I got a very dumbfounded look.

    I asked him about where fractions come from, it also took him a while to answer that they come from the blood supply, and I got no answer at all when I asked if a JW could donate blood to help replenish the supply that JWs are ok to fractionally use........

    Stupid Cult!

    steve2 Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:29:00 GMT (8/12/2009) edit


    New Zealand

    Post 2598 of 2703
    Since 10/31/2004

    I got no answer at all when I asked if a JW could donate blood to help replenish the supply that JWs are ok to fractionally use........

    yes, insearchof the truth, you've hit the nail on the head:

    If they're "allowed" to choose to have blood fractions - and why would a JW hemophiliac say "No" to life saving Factor X? - why is donating blood that is the derivative of those fractions not allowed?

     

     

    startingover Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:20:00 GMT (8/13/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 1483 of 1522
    Since 12/13/2001

    Thanks for posting this info.

    oompa Re: Why would the WTS have left out the statement on where blood fractions come from in the Keep Yourself Book? posted Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:47:00 GMT (8/13/2009) edit


    United States North Carolina

    Post 6770 of 6982
    Since 8/15/2007

    just a ditto on the donating blood issue.......they can save our lives (the donors) but we (jw's) can not save theirs or our bruddas and sistas............i have not carried the damm no blood card for three years now......just told my wife a few months ago...........oompa

    all said in the bible is about eatin blood......they only had two ways to use it back then......eat it or use it in worship......funny, but pagans and jews BOTH used the hell out of it in WORSHIP!!!!!!..............freakkin weird!!!

    there was one other way i guess.....as a dye

    but to ABSTAIN......the biggie jw word for no blood is ever allowed is somehow now kicked to the curb!......the only way they in the bible could abstain was to avoid what uses i wrote above........they had no medical use of it............and we now do.....and ya.....i will not use it today to.......

    worship, eat, or dye clothes or skin!!!!.................oompa

      Close

      Confirm ...