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CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT?

    Mary CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:59:00 GMT (6/27/2009) edit




    Post 10730 of 11119
    Since 6/26/2002

    We got more bad news regarding my brother in law.  For those of you who don't know, he has Myelodysplastic Syndrome.  That's not the worst of it.  Two weeks ago, they said there is now cancer in his blood and yesterday the doctors told him that if he doesn't do something NOW, he won't be alive by Thanksgiving.  And that the Canadian Thanksgiving that's in October.

    The doctor said he needs a bone marrow transplant, not a stem cell transplant, yet when I looked on the John Hopkins Cancer website, they say "stem cell transplant", so I don't know what to believe.  The problem now is that someone in another congregation said that JW's cannot take a bone marrow transplant as it involves blood transfusions.

    Does anyone know if this is true?  The doctors were frustrated yesterday when they were told that my B-I-L has a fraternal twin who's a JW.  While it's not a guarantee that he'd be a match, there's a damn good chance that he would be.

    I absolutely despise this religion for this bullshit about blood transfusions.  They know full well it's a crock of shit yet they continue to let people die rather than admit they were wrong.

    If anyone's got any information about this, I'd greatly appreciate it.

     

    dozy Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:04:00 GMT (6/27/2009) edit


    United States

    Post 479 of 542
    Since 2/18/2006

     

    Society allow it -  say it is a conscience matter.

     

     

     w845/15p.31 QuestionsFromReaders

    Could a Christian accept a bone -marrow transplant ,since blood is made in the marrow?

    Doctors perform most bone-marrow transplants by withdrawing some marrow from a donor (often a near relative) and then injecting or transfusing it into the sick patient. They hope that the marrow graft will reach the patient’s marrow cavities and later function normally. Usually this procedure is considered only in critical cases (such as aplastic anemia or acute leukemia) for there are acknowledged hazards in preparing a person for a marrow graft and in treating him afterward.

    As the question itself notes, red blood cells are formed in the marrow of certain bones such as the ribs, sternum and pelvic bones. Hence, it is understandable why, in the light of the Bible’s prohibition on blood, the question arises whether a Christian could accept a graft of human bone marrow.

    The Bible states clearly that God’s servants must ‘abstain from blood.’ (Acts 15:28, 29; Deuteronomy 12:15, 16) But, since red cells originate in the red bone marrow, do the Scriptures class marrow with blood? No. In fact, animal marrow is spoken of like any other flesh that could be eaten. Isaiah 25:6 says that God will prepare for his people a banquet that includes “well-oiled dishes filled with marrow.” Normal slaughtering and drainage procedures never drain all blood cells from the marrow. Yet once a carcass is drained, then any of the tissue may be eaten, including the marrow.

    Of course, marrow used in human marrow transplants is from live donors, and the withdrawn marrow may have some blood with it. Hence, the Christian would have to resolve for himself whether—to him—the bone-marrow graft would amount to simple flesh or would be unbled tissue. Additionally, since a marrow graft is a form of transplant, the Scriptural aspects of human organ transplants should be considered. See “Questions From Readers” in our issue of March 15, 1980. Finally, writing in Harrison’sPrinciplesofInternalMedicine (Update I, 1981, page 138), Dr. D. E. Thomas observes that “virtually all marrow transplant recipients will require platelet transfusions” and many are given “packed red blood cells.” So the Christian should consider what additional issues he would have to face if he submitted to a marrow transplant.—Proverbs 22:3.

    Though a personal decision has to be made on this matter, the Bible’s comments about blood and marrow should help the individual to decide.

    Mary Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:08:00 GMT (6/27/2009) edit




    Post 10731 of 11119
    Since 6/26/2002

    Thank you so much dozy.....I'm going to send this to my sister right now.  Because she is under the impression that Witnesses cannot accept a bone marrow transplant.

     

    mindmelda Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:27:00 GMT (6/27/2009) edit



    Post 427 of 497
    Since 5/4/2009

    Bone marrow is not blood. It's a bodily tissue that produces red blood cells, but not blood itself. It's actually a form of protein and therefore like any other organ transplant.

     

    coffee_black Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:47:00 GMT (6/27/2009) edit


    United States Massachusetts

    Post 1998 of 2274
    Since 2/6/2002

    It' an awful religion.  With my 10 year old granddaughter in the hospital here in Virginia for the past 11 days after her serious  (who is not a jw, and neither is her mother, my daughter) my x husband, her jw grandfather attempted to get the jw hospital liason committee involved.  He's in the Phillipines, not even here.  They didn't get anywhere, thankfully.  Can you imagine?   He would expect her to die for his beliefs.

    Coffee

     

    hubert Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:00 GMT (6/27/2009) edit


    United States

    Post 3206 of 3248
    Since 6/12/2004

    That is so sick, Coffee. I would have been livid.

    How is your granddaughter doing?

    Is she still improving and coming home soon?

    Hubert

    cantleave Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:42:00 GMT (6/27/2009) edit



    Post 13 of 962
    Since 6/25/2009

    No problem with Marrow - it is not one the 4 main components of Blood.

    JeffT Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:14:00 GMT (6/28/2009) edit


    United States Washington

    Post 3288 of 3721
    Since 6/4/2001

    The "D. E. Thomas" (actually E. D. Thomas) quoted in the Watchtower article is my father.  While bone marrow is not blood, it is almost impossible to do a transplant without subsequent transfusions.  However, the technology has advanced a lot over the years.  Most of the time they're doing stem cell transplants instead of bone marrow.  I think that is still going to involve a lot of blood in one way or another.  You might have  the doctors contact the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle (www.fhcrc.org) they give a lot of advice, although I don't think they deal with JW issues much. 

    PM me if you want some help.  Dad is retired and ill, but we still have a number of good contacts, I'll see what I can do. 

    hamsterbait Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:52:00 GMT (6/28/2009) edit




    Post 2730 of 2996
    Since 7/7/2004

    MARY -

    I cannot say anything except how much I feel for you at this time.

    And I could WEEP that your family is being put through this by a bunch of ignorant old men using a stone age dietary taboo.

    My hopes are with you.

    OXO

    HB

    Mary Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:02:00 GMT (6/28/2009) edit




    Post 10732 of 11119
    Since 6/26/2002

    You might have  the doctors contact the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle (www.fhcrc.org) they give a lot of advice, although I don't think they deal with JW issues much. 

    Jeff, thank you so much for linking to this, as my sister is considering that hospital.  They seem to work alot with Myelodysplastic Syndrome.  The doctor she talked to the other day here in Toronto said he needs a bone marrow transplant, not a stem cell transplant, but from everything I've read, they have better success with the stem cell transplant.

     

    BluesBrother Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:29:00 GMT (6/28/2009) edit


    United Kingdom England

    Post 5289 of 5688
    Since 10/29/2001

    Mary...Please accept my best wishes for your brother in law.

    It is shocking that dubs are not more aware of their own religion's requirements on important issues. At least we can put them straight....

    BTW. I double checked the c/d rom and I found nothing more recent. The article that dozy gave us is still current thinking

    coffee_black Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:56:00 GMT (6/29/2009) edit


    United States Massachusetts

    Post 2001 of 2274
    Since 2/6/2002

    ((((( Mary )))))  My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

    Coffee

    insearchoftruth Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:06:00 GMT (6/29/2009) edit

    United States Virginia

    Post 1209 of 1564
    Since 2/9/2006

    Mary, my thoughts are with you as well.......hugs to you......

    orbison11 Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:13:00 GMT (6/29/2009) edit


    Canada British Columbia

    Post 1022 of 1065
    Since 8/30/2002

    20 years ago, my then 12 yr old daughter (we were still in then) had a bone transplant

    we did not bat an eye at her receiving it

    and no counselling whatsoever from the elders, etc

    although not bone marrow, but close

    orb

    davegod Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:52:00 GMT (6/29/2009) edit


    United States Georgia

    Post 127 of 129
    Since 6/3/2007

    I feel for you and yours, I made this decision and it is not easy to do or live with afterwards.

    drwtsn32 Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:57:00 GMT (6/29/2009) edit


    United States Washington

    Post 7142 of 7391
    Since 5/4/2003

    I just joined the Bone Marrow Registry the other day.  They send you a swab kit to collect cheek cells from the inside of your mouth.

    http://www.marrow.org/

    Mary Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:06:00 GMT (6/29/2009) edit




    Post 10743 of 11119
    Since 6/26/2002

    Thanks so much for all your comments.....it means alot.  The latest is that his brother is now willing to be tested for the bone marrow to see if he's a match.  I guess they will give him a shot of EPO to stimulate alot of stem cells and they'll do the test.  Even though they're not identical twins, I'm just praying that it's a match.  If he can get a match from a relative, then that's half the battle.

     

    gumby Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:25:00 GMT (6/29/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 14416 of 14422
    Since 7/22/2001

    Thank god I found the edit button 

    shamus100 Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:29:00 GMT (6/29/2009) edit




    Post 2685 of 3768
    Since 2/10/2008

    GUMBY YOU SICK SONOFABITCH! 

    Nice to see you again, and I really hope all is well in your life.  Do what you need to do, my friend. 

    Take care.

    gumby Re: CAN JW's ACCEPT A BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT? posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:29:00 GMT (6/29/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 14417 of 14422
    Since 7/22/2001

    I apologize to Mary. I never read the content of this thread before I posted or read any of the comments. My sincere apologies.

    My feelings go out to you and the family and will keep them in my prayers.

     

    Gumby

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