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Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited

    insearchoftruth Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:35:00 GMT (6/12/2009) edit

    United States Virginia

    Post 1120 of 1561
    Since 2/9/2006

    I know very little about medicine, but from the reading I have done on this and other boards, I understand that the matter of conscience to allow blood fractions has most likely saved many lives.

    Very few tranfusions done today are whole blood, but I don't know how many.  Was wondering if anyone here knows what portion of transfusions that take place are not allowed.

    Tuesday Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:50:00 GMT (6/12/2009) edit


    United States Rhode Island

    Post 1483 of 1769
    Since 4/4/2003

    No transfusions are done of whole blood, once blood is collected it is separated right away for storage purposes.  This has been the case since 1935.  Even if someone received all the components of blood chances are they wouldn't be from the same donor just the same type of blood.

    insearchoftruth Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:03:00 GMT (6/12/2009) edit

    United States Virginia

    Post 1122 of 1561
    Since 2/9/2006

    Thanks Tuesday.....

    I guess what I am wondering, maybe I will state it better this time, is what medical practices today regarding blood transfusions would not be allowed as a matter of conscience, and if there are practices not allowed, how common are these practices.

    Not sure if I am asking my question correctly or not?

    Tuesday Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:17:00 GMT (6/12/2009) edit


    United States Rhode Island

    Post 1485 of 1769
    Since 4/4/2003

    Well a regular blood transfusion isn't allowed, however fractions of that blood transfusion are allowed.  The literature leads people to believe that a blood transfusion is made up of whole blood, which it isn't.  If someone is just explained what a transfusion actually is, then their argument as to not get one goes away.

    Hoping4Change Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:23:00 GMT (6/12/2009) edit



    Post 175 of 205
    Since 7/6/2006

         Like insearchoftruth, I also have been wondering what specific medical practices would not 'be allowed'.  For example, would an exchange transfusion for a new born with an "unresponding to other treatments" case of severe jaundice, be allowed?

    insearchoftruth Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:07:00 GMT (6/12/2009) edit

    United States Virginia

    Post 1124 of 1561
    Since 2/9/2006

    Hoping4change, you stated the question much better than I, an example really helps!

    TD Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:18:00 GMT (6/12/2009) edit


    United States Arizona

    Post 1870 of 2159
    Since 5/14/2001

     

    Blood & Related Components/Fractions

    Whole blood = Forbidden

    Packed Red Cells = Forbidden

    Washed Red Cells = Forbidden

    Leukocyte reduded Red Cells = Forbidden

    Donor Leukocyte transfusion = Forbidden

    Plasma w/ Platelets = Forbidden

    Whole Plasma = Forbidden

    SD Plasma = ???

     

    IgG (gamma globulin) = Allowed (Transfusion or injection)

    Clotting factors = Allowed

    Rhogam & Winrho = Allowd

    Polymerized hemoglobin = Allowed

    5% & 10% Albumin solution = Allowed (Transfusion)

    Post exposure serums and antitoxins (IgG)  = Allowed

    Interleukin solutions = Allowed

    Peripheral Stem Cells = Allowed

    Donor Bone marrow = Allowed

    Albumin as adjuvant or excipient = Allowed

     

    Procedures

    Predonation = Forbidden

    Autologous Transfusion = Forbidden

    Heart/Lung machine = Allowed

    Kidney Dialysis = Allowed

    Hemodilutoin = Allowed

    Apherisis = Allowed

    Blood Patch = Allowed

    Cell Saver / Blood Salvage = Allowed

    Reinfusion after testing = Allowed

     

     

    Hoping4Change Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:25:00 GMT (6/12/2009) edit



    Post 176 of 205
    Since 7/6/2006

    TD - is that list from an official WT doc (confidential or otherwise)?  Any chance that they have produced/published such a document available to HLC members?

    Witness 007 Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:29:00 GMT (6/12/2009) edit

    Australia

    Post 3995 of 4694
    Since 8/28/2007

    Crazy doctrine......abstain from blood??  Hypocites!

    Hoping4Change Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:38:00 GMT (6/15/2009) edit



    Post 177 of 205
    Since 7/6/2006

    btt

    TD Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:37:00 GMT (6/15/2009) edit


    United States Arizona

    Post 1875 of 2159
    Since 5/14/2001

     

    The list above is based on the current DPA forms, articles in medical literature and The Watchtower  I'm sure there's a comprehensive single-source list somewhere, but not being a JW, I don't have access to it.

    --I can give a reference though if something on this list is in question

     

    gubberningbody Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:12:00 GMT (6/15/2009) edit



    Post 246 of 525
    Since 3/11/2009

    Read your bible, and make up your own mind. While you do that, know that blood is a tissue and the body doesn't "eat it" when you get a transfusion. Moreover, Jesus condemned the Pharisees for violating their sabbath law restrictions to save property, but were pissed when someone got healed on the sabbath. JW's violate the value of Jesus shed blood by elevating a tissue above a human life.

    TD Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:44:00 GMT (6/15/2009) edit


    United States Arizona

    Post 1877 of 2159
    Since 5/14/2001

    ...You're preaching to the choir 

    Hoping4Change Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:18:00 GMT (6/16/2009) edit



    Post 181 of 205
    Since 7/6/2006

    Read your bible, and make up your own mind

    I think the point of this thread was missed with this comment.  It's not a question of what the bible says or one's belief, the questions are related to trying to figure out exactly what specific procedures would be considered a 'conscience' matter and which ones would be viewed as 'prohibited' by current JW thinking.

    jwfacts Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:26:00 GMT (6/16/2009) edit


    Australia New South Wales

    Post 4671 of 4866
    Since 6/25/2005

    I don't know percentages, but a high percentage of transfusions are still not allowed under current Watchtower blood doctrine. Forbidden are

    • whole blood
    • red blood cells
    • white blood cells
    • platelets
    • plasma

    Though whole blood is rarely transfused, the major components such as red blood cells form a large portion of total transfusions. 

    Scully Re: Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited posted Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:56:00 GMT (6/16/2009) edit




    Post 15213 of 15524
    Since 11/2/2001

    TD,

    I believe they also allow the storage of cord blood, for possible stem cell harvest at a later date.

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