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TIJUANA, Mexico -- Mexico has closed the Famous Cancer Clinic

    M skyman posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:20:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    TIJUANA, Mexico -- Mexico has closed the Famous Cancer Clinic mentioned the Magazines several time. My mom went down there this summer and she said everyone there was JW’s including a D.O. and his wife It is amazing how many Witnesses have been going down there from the area I live. The clinic is closed, and it’s the 20 patients that were there _ all Americans _ were given three days to find new facilities. The clinic's founder and director, Kurt W. Donsbach, has a criminal past and a reputation for offering dubious treatments to desperately ill patients, according to court records and a watchdog group.

    http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/connecticut/ny-bc-ct--mexico-king-clini0203feb03,0,2783580.story?coll=ny-region-apconnecticut

    M skyman posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:29:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    I think the clinic prayed on the stupidity of the JW's. I believe in alternative treatments but I never bought into the clinics methods. For example, several friends came home on diets that took them off all tomatoes products and caffeine. I laughed at them. Tomatoes and caffeine are two things known to help fight cancer. So I wrote the Library of Congress and found out the survival rate for people that went down there with the survival rate for people that go to the US cancer hospitals the survival rate was much high for the people that went to the USA special cancer hospitals. I had one sister after reading Library's of congress letter smash the letter up and throw it on the ground. She then said I would never believe any of that.

    TheListener posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:39:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    Does anyone have the magazine references to this clinic? Are we sure it's the same clinic? Are there more than one of these types of clinics in Tijuana?

    M IP_SEC posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:42:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    Is this the Hoxsey clinic? I had a duya friend who went there. He's in remission now.

    M greendawn posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:46:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    Are they the people that use apricot kernels and the vitamin it contains (laetrile) to cure cancer? They claim it works but the drug companies are suppressing it because it will do away with their cancer drugs. Perhaps they are right but then if laetrile was so effective we would know about it, and oppportunists do know how to exploit people in despair. Just like the FDS.

    M ohiocowboy posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:48:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    On the advice of a Brother in our cong. who was a Chiropractor and holistic Doctor, my parents took my Grandmother there. She was fed raw liver juice several times daily, and also a concoction of strained spinach and other juices. Needless to say, it didn't work. I remember seeing people there that were in their last stages of cancer, and saw how the cancer had literally eaten away at their bodies.

    The brother who advised us to go also went with us, and I remember that one of the Doctors down there had him sneak back a bunch of pills so that someone could pick them up once we got back across the border. It made my parents really nervous.

    So many people had their hopes crushed by thinking that they could be cured there...

    M DannyHaszard posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:01:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    How do we know that 'miracle cures' aren't being suppressed by a conspiracy clique of global elitist.

    SIMPLE read the obituaries the rich,the very filthy rich and famous,the very spiritually devout,the good and the wicked all die at the same age.

    I had incurable brutal ulcerative colitis for 28 years and so do one of my doctors. [Well meaning friends from my cong put me on a 'miracle' cabbage juice diet even gave me an expensive juicer machine just gave me wicked gas]

    F willowmoon posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:07:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    I have a friend, an American cancer doc, who shares research with this and other Mexican clinics. He's a brilliant and dedicated doc, disillusioned with much of the U.S. health care system, trying to reach out and help those who are suffering and often haven't gotten adequate or advanced medical care here in the USA. The facility did help and even cured a lot of patients who were left for dead in the U.S., sometimes even because of lack of funds or insurance coverage.

    Some of the methods and theories do seem extreme. I think, though, the majority of patients are seeking alternative and holistic treatments, rather than chemical treatments and radical surgeries offered at many U.S. cancer centers. Also, sadly, many turn to facilities like this as a last resort, when it's already too late anyway, but they're seeking a miracle.

    I never heard that about the JWs. The hospital did do blood transfusions.

    IP, it was the Santa Monica Health Institute. There are many of these clinics in the Tijunana area.

    willow

    M skyman posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:13:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    It is the clinic that all the witnesses that live here go to. On the CBS news they showed the building and my mom and a brother down the road both said it was the very building they have went to.

    F jgnat posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:14:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    Santa Monica Health Institute

    http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/

    More about Donsbach, the director of the institute

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/donsbach.html

    I have found a few discussion boards that discusses Mr. Donsbach's advice to use hydrogen peroxide therapy to reoxygenate blood, thereby avoiding a blood transfusion. Quack.

    M skyman posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:19:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    hydrogen peroxide therapy ;to reoxygenate blood, thereby avoiding a blood transfusion. ; Quack

    .The brothers and sisters here localy are doing this because they were told to by him to do this.

    F willowmoon posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:30:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    That sounds pretty weird..... dangerous too

    willow

    F willowmoon posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:33:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    The brothers and sisters here localy are doing this because they were told to by him to do this.

    If that's the case, it's sad. He was preying on their trust.

    Skyman, I hope your mom's okay.

    willow

    M garybuss posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:41:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    I took Delores to Taylor Clinic in Dallas two times. Taylor was tied to Hoxsey somehow. Many patents there were Witnesses as well. One was a circuit servant we knew. He made up his own pills. Big white ones. It cost a fortune. She was hopeless since she refused chemo treatments and bone marrow replacement treatment. Taylor was a prick. He chewed her out for going to AMA doctors.

    She got a Hoxsey treatment recipe from a Witness and she cooked up tea that she got Indiana Botanical Gardens. It all cost a fortune. I was broke all the time between paying for medical doctor visits and drugs she could take like Lukeran, and all the quack stuff she tried. It's tough for dying people who are told they can't take rational treatment because if they do, God won't recreate them in a perfect replica body in the new world.

    The Witness people told her, you just die now and you will be resurrected right after Armageddon in 1975. True story! Her relatives refused to help care for her in her last weeks when they were asked. Ask me what I think of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Osborn family.

    M Quotes posted Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:37:00 GMT(2/8/2006)

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    From the article links above:

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    In a statement sent out late Thursday, the Baja California state government said an inspection earlier that day found that the facility employed people who were not properly trained, didn't follow proper procedures for treating terminally ill patients, and didn't meet sanitary requirements.

    ....

    The clinic's assistant administrator, Cesar Castillejos, said he believed the Mexican government closed the clinic because of King's death, and he defended its record.

    King "wasn't stupid," he said. "She was very smart. She wanted an alternative."

    King, the widow of assassinated civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., last week traveled to the clinic to seek treatment for advanced-stage ovarian cancer and a stroke she suffered several months ago.

    The clinic specializes in alternative treatments for patients with incurable illnesses.

    However, the clinic doctors assigned to King's case said she arrived in poor health and they couldn't even begin to treat her before she died early this week.
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    These vultures are worse than WTS. They prey on hopelessly ill people, and convince them to spend their last days on earth spending their estate and living in unsanitary conditions. How unsanitary do you have to be to be considered unsanitary by the Mexican governement?

    Personally, I want my last days to be spent in the comfort of my home or on a Caribean beach, watching naughty movies and eating ice cream.

    The article gives the typical excuses from this creeps, too: "She was too sick before she got here." That is what these people ALWAYS say. Except, of course, for those rare 1 in 10000 cases where you get a spontaneous remission. Then they are quick to jump up and down and take credit for their crappy, quacky "treatment".

    Unfortunately, they will just move to the Phillipines and continue their fleecing.

    ~Q

    Highlander posted Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:43:00 GMT(2/8/2006)

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    My Grandfather went there.

    He's dead.

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