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MJ and his JW REPRESSED SEX Blamed !

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DannyHaszard

MJ and his JW REPRESSED SEX Blamed ! posted Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:30:00 GMT (6/6/2005)

Maine

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Since 5/6/2005

Michael Jackson, the law and psychology

New York Daily News, NY - 2 hours ago

... Jackson's mother, as a Jehovah Witness, taught him that sex and music were the work of the devil – even that a glimpse of sex would send him to hell.

Michael Jackson, the law and psychology

Sometimes the law and psychology are at odds: the law's job is to find guilt or innocence, psychology's is to explain why people are the way they are, without judgment.

Thus, the sad tale of Michael Jackson's sexual behaviors. The way psychology works, not everybody with a similar past ends up with the same outcome; for example, not all abused kids end up as abusers. With shocking statistics that up to one in four females, and one in seven males have been subject to some kind of abuse, certainly not all of them turn around and become perpetrators (called "identification with the aggressor" in psychological terms).

We don't excuse child abusers (or murderers for that matter) under the law because they've had an abusive childhood or bad breaks. But understanding their past gives us some solace in understanding why people may do what they do, and even in some cases, tremendous compassion for what should happen to them.

The law deals with cold hard facts; psychology admittedly copes with grey areas, suppositions and possible connections. Hence, the following possible connections in Michael Jackson's case, that can lead to compassion for the man-child facing up to 24 years in prison if convicted on counts against him -- as the O.J.-like "case of the century" winds to its conclusion this week.

1) Regarding sleeping in the same bed with other young boys, Michael was supposedly exposed to this in childhood, growing up in a poor and large family, with many siblings crowded into a two-room house with triple decker bunk beds. Surely, sharing a bed was not only not a crime, but a necessity, that was approved. This helps explain Michael's insistence in the Bashir documentary that he sees nothing wrong with sleeping in the same bed with boys, that, in fact, "It can be the most loving thing to do to share your bed." My own mother grew up in such a family, where nine children crowded into beds in limited space -- and none of them grew up to sexually abuse children.

2) As a pre-adolescent, Michael was forced by his father to sing with his brothers in a band working in strip clubs and bars. In such establishments, he was exposed to multiple sexual activities that any boy of that age would find confusing. According to a VH1 documentary (one of the most revealing on this subject I have seen), the youngster was in the next bed as his brothers had sex with women.

The older boys then supposedly locked little Michael in a room with a prostitute, yet Michael read the scriptures; and so was accused of being gay. Groupies later screamed for him, yet young girls also supposedly rejected him. How could these events not be sexually confusing and emotionally crippling to a young boy? No wonder, as Micahel was said, "Adults have let me down, children never let me down."

Further, how could a boy not develop resentment towards a father-figure – and resistance to becoming a full-fledged adult male himself – when a male role model makes him lie, abuses him, or makes his child live out his dreams?

Given these dynamics, wouldn't it make sense that it would be safer and more comforting to transform yourself at least in appearance to look like Diana Ross -- Jackson's plastic surgery was apparently intended to make him look like the superstar -- a similarly famous singer, a female (given Michael's closer attachment to his mild-mannered mother than to his father), and a woman with an exceptionally strong personality.

3)Then, there were suggestions that Jackson's father had his turn with those groupies, thereby being unfaithful to his wife -- Jackson's mother whom he adored -- and worse, violating his mother's ultra-religious tenets. The boy was told not to tell, and lied to his mother; another major reason for sexual – and even moral – confusion. It is common for kids to be bullied by an unfaithful parent into not revealing the infidelity, thereby being drawn unwillingly into complicity; and it's also common that this leads to guilt, confusion, anger and even misbehaviors later in adulthood.

4) Any sex therapist knows that early message about sex from parents and religion can cause sexual problems later on. Jackson's mother, as a Jehovah Witness, taught him that sex and music were the work of the devil – even that a glimpse of sex would send him to hell. Yet he saw sex all around him. What possible solution can a child come up with to reconcile all these confusing messages? Withdrawal into a fantasy world, personality disorders, multiple personalities, acting out, even becoming precocious while still being asexual, can all be solutions to cope with such inner conflict.

In the theory about Jackson, as a "child molester" of the arrested development type, who thinks of himself as no older than the boys he "plays with," it is consistent that all this childhood exposure to sex fixated him at a young age, and made him avoid the sexual behaviors of so-called "mature" adults.

Add to all this, confusion about truth. Jackson apparently was told by club and music marketers that it's okay to lie about his age – being an underage 11-year old – if it helps his career. Is this not a perfect model for later behavior? Why then would a boy not grow up blurring the line of what is truth, especially for his public image?

The judge in Jackson's case has instructed the jury that they may consider a "lesser charge" of "furnishing alcohol to a minor," a misdemeanor. Compassionate souls hope that the jury will go for this lesser charge if they find Jackson guilty, especially as the fragile star will likely face severe emotional danger in light of any guilty verdict.

Then there is the matter of sentencing. No question, Jackson would be imperiled in prison. There is no system that can adequately accommodate such a unique being on this planet – a Peter Pan in fantasyland. Any convicted child abuser is already low-man on the totem pole in prison, a target for abuse. Worse, like hated murderer Jeffrey Dahmer, Jackson could be molested and killed, with a fellow prisoner earning a badge of honor and a place in history for dealing his own brand of justice to such a celebrity.

If convicted, Michael would be better off in a mental health facility. In any case, he needs extensive counseling to cope with his sad downfall from superstardom, to help him face reality (a difficult task), and most of all, to help him adjust to his future.

Originally published on June 6, 2005

DannyHaszard

Re: MJ and his JW REPRESSED SEX Blamed ! posted Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:58:00 GMT (6/6/2005)

Maine

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Mod's can you fix format ?

rebel8

Re: Re: MJ and his JW REPRESSED SEX Blamed ! posted Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:22:00 GMT (6/6/2005)

New York

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Since 1/13/2005

This article really pisses me off. As a former psychiatric social worker who had to treat sex abuse victims and perps as part of my job (which is why I quit the profession!), it is my opinion that this article is a bunch of bull crap. The causes of the criminal behavior do not excuse it, nor does it change what punishment the perp should have, in MJ's case.

Regarding sleeping in the same bed with other young boys, Michael was supposedly exposed to this in childhood, growing up in a poor and large family, with many siblings crowded into a two-room house with triple decker bunk beds. Surely, sharing a bed was not only not a crime, but a necessity, that was approved. This helps explain Michael's insistence in the Bashir documentary that he sees nothing wrong with sleeping in the same bed with boys, that, in fact, "It can be the most loving thing to do to share your bed." My own mother grew up in such a family, where nine children crowded into beds in limited space -- and none of them grew up to sexually abuse children.

Anyone who falls for this line is being sucked in by a sociopathic lie. MJ is an adult, well aware it is socially unacceptable to sleep with non-related boys in the same bed. Him sleeping with his brothers during childhood has absolutely NOTHING to do with him sleeping with non-related boys as an adult. That analogy is ludicrous; it's like saying he peed in diapers when he was young and now he thinks it's ok to pee in his pants as an adult.

Sociopaths are the biggest manipulators going, and they always have an excuse prepared to explain away anything they've done. The excuses are created only to help them avoid punishment and keep them in a position to manipulate/abuse others in the future. They don't care if the excuses are ridiculous or unbelievable. They rely on their special brand of charisma or manipulation (in his case, getting people to feel sorry for him) to get people to believe the excuses.

Danny, I'm not attacking you nor am I saying MJ's bizarre religious background had nothing to do with his bizarre behavior as an adult. I am just saying it is NOT an excuse. We can't blame the dubs for MJ being a child molester; we can only blame MJ.

As to him being sentenced to a mental institution instead of jail, come on! Sociopathic behavior is not a treatable mental illness. He should be punished just like everyone else. Him coming up with better excuses and being able to manipulate sympathies of others by playing the sad sack should not result in a lesser punishment.

rebel8

Re: Re: Re: MJ and his JW REPRESSED SEX Blamed ! posted Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:24:00 GMT (6/6/2005)

New York

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Since 1/13/2005

Let's send our good vibes (or prayers) toward the jurors today as they deliberate MJ's fate. Let's hope justice is served.

DannyHaszard

Re: MJ and his JW REPRESSED SEX Blamed ! posted Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:38:00 GMT (6/6/2005)

Maine

Post 216 of 5120
Since 5/6/2005

Roger that mate,i am gloating that the press is blaming MJ's sexual dysfunction on his Jehovah's Witnesses upbringing and rightly so.

I tell you the truth there are more sociopaths/psychopaths per-capita and 'per square inch' among JW's that anywhere except the prisons.

The Watchtower damned sure f**ked me up i DID NOT HAVE SEX UNTIL AGE 46 i am a NORMAL guy.

Why?Jehover gonna give me the 'girl of my dreams' any day in the 'new system'.Before i knew it i am old man.

I SQUANDERED my YOUTH for a cult and i am pissed!

rebel8

Re: MJ and his JW REPRESSED SEX Blamed ! posted Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:04:00 GMT (6/6/2005)

New York

Post 864 of 7105
Since 1/13/2005

Wow--46...I have no words...

I totally agree that the bizarre sexual practices of dubs causes psychological and social problems for many members. However, I hate it when I see things in the press making it seem as though that's an excuse for being a child rapist. Raping is a choice. Sure, bad upbringing significantly heightens the chance of becoming a perp. However, even under those circumstances, preventing onself from becoming a rapist involves one simple solution: choose not to rape. Full blame for the rape falls upon the rapist, IMO.

I am glad to see the dubs getting some negative press on this topic; I just wish it wasn't blaming them and giving a rapist an excuse for his willful criminal actions.

I am afraid he is going to end up sentenced to mental health treatment and will get off easy just like so many other perps I had to treat in the past. Treatment does nothing to help them. It's worthless, IMO.

I am similarly dismayed when I see all sorts of criminals give their Twinkie defenses and people believing that excuses their crimes. Our society seems to excuse anyone who can come up with a compelling pity pot story.

DannyHaszard

Re: MJ and his JW REPRESSED SEX Blamed ! posted Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:02:00 GMT (6/6/2005)

Maine

Post 217 of 5120
Since 5/6/2005

VERDICT WATCH at Court TV

4:20 PM EST LIVE Nancy Grace and Diane Dimond of court TV slams JW's for expelling MJ good apostate witness

Related http://www.courttv.com/ Court TV thread

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