WT recently settled out-of-court with 5 victims of JW serial molester. Court documents now available to post on any website

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    Refriedtruth posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:20:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    http://www.zalkin.com/Sexual_Abuse/Jehovahs_Witness_Abuse.aspx This firm has a specialized Jehovah's Witnesses sexual abuse page


    skeeter1 posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:24:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    Well, I hope the media gets ahold of this one! I wonder what the WTS reply will be? "The 5 victims claim to have been molested . . . . " Can't appeal an out-of-court settlement. WTS admits its guilt with each & every out of court settlement. Wonder what a jury would have awarded these 5 victims? Better sell more assets, dear WTS!

    yourmomma posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:47:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    guys, is this not the worst 8 weeks in the history of watchtower? i mean the hits just keep coming. how many cases are being fought right now? and how many will be filed? this is epic!!!!!

    for the first time, i really truly feel as though watchtower is going down.

    Refriedtruth posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:48:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    Must read associated thread of evidence that the Watchtower maintains a pedophile perpetrator database that is not shared with law enforcement.

    The highly credible BBC television estimated the pedophile database 10 years ago numbered 27,000 offenders and counting

    blindnomore posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:24:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    Refriedtruth, Thank you for posting related helpful links!

    It's truly a team work. Every little act in our part, even just posting on this thread would help in exposing the child molesters and their accomplice, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

    wasblind posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:34:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    clarity posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:06:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    Barbara, as ever thank you so much for your continued concern and the up

    to date

    information! .

    Without your 'smarts' the struggle would be harder.

    This expose of the wt is snowballing ..... and picking up more dirt on the way!


    Refried ... thanks for those links!!!!!!


    Refriedtruth posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:10:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    Nationwide Sexual Abuse Lawyer

    http://www.zalkin.com/Sexual_Abuse/Jehovahs_Witness_Abuse.aspx This firm has a specialized Jehovah's Witnesses sexual abuse page


    FROM LINK-For members of a close-knit religious organization, reporting a crime is often not only difficult - but downright impossible. This is no different than when considering the members of the Jehovah's Witnesses. In this religious group, like many others, the members form a detached and isolated group, essentially cutting the victims off from the outside world should abuse occur.

    Sexual Abuse Within the Jehovah's Witnesses

    Due to church policy, sexual abuse is often ignored, and should an allegation be made, it is often either covered up or decried as unfounded. The Jehovah's Witnesses practice what is known as a " two witness" rule - which is allegedly used to help work against the possibility of a false accusation. This rule is said to be based off the group's interpretation of Deuteronomy 19:15 and 1 Timothy 5:19; it requires that an accusation of sexual abuse to be backed by at least two witnesses. One of the witnesses may be from DNA or other scientific evidence.

    If there is only one witness, however, the accused is to be placed under careful monitoring. They also might lose some of their privileges; however, no other steps are taken. Due to such policies as this, there have been many accusations over the years that the group has taken place into an elaborate cover-up of all sexual predators. By mainly dealing with the accusations internally, they rarely turn over a sexual offender to law enforcement. This not only leaves victims vulnerable - it leaves the offender unpunished and essentially free to abuse again."


    Watchtower your gig is up

    carla posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    marking!! thank you!

    00DAD posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:13:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    M flipper posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:46:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    WT Society leaders are you listening ? Your house of Watchtower cards is crumbling before your eyes and being shredded to pieces as with broken glass. Or is the sound of breaking glass the negative Karma you are justly deserving due to criminally negligent child abuse policies ?

    Either way , it's high time for justice to be done. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    cofty posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:55:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    Astonishing! Thank you Barbara.

    Zalkin are the Watchtower's worse nightmare.

    I know we all want these things played out in open court but who can blame a victim for accepting compensation and getting on with life?

    The cracks in the Watchtower are starting to show.

    Scott77 posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:57:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    Very interesting. I do not know if the three justices gong to handle the Watchtower appeal case against our own Conti are not knowledgeable about this settlement. Looks like the fire is going to be out of control.


    Band on the Run posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:06:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    Unless Campos was convicted, these are allegations. Settlement does not equate liability. Until the laws change, requiring religions to break confessional privilege for pedophile confessions, religion does not have a legal duty in these cases. It is clear, however, that this ancient rule is now undergoing considerable modification or it may be dropped altogether.

    What about moral duty, though? I expect any organization, remotely favored by God or the fates, too have higher standards than the law. The scriptures the JWs rely on is NOT express. It is a very subjective interpretation that is not necessary for any essential WT doctrine.

    I wonder why, in the face of more and more settlements, the WT clings to the silly rule. Religion is no longer an arm of government. Adult rape and pedophilia crimes no longer require corroboration b/c much proof exists that children do not lie in these areas. Evidentiary techiques do already exist to ferret out troubled children who would lie. Certainly, a case by case evaluation makes much more sense than a blanket rule.

    Once the clergy/penitent privilege starts to be breached, however, and the Conti case is so important, I doubt the two witness rule will stand. The very nature of the crime makes it almost impossible there will be witness. I assume the witnesses must be adult men. Convicting someone of a crime wtihout due process is reprehensible but KHs are not part of Caesar's empire.

    What is so burdensome or negates any secular duty to merely make an announcement that someone has made allegations against a JW. Such an announcement should be immediately followed by a much longer lecture that the authorites and KH elders are investigating the allegation. It may be impossible to resolve. No facts are proven. A mere allegation is no proof.

    The newspaper do so all the time. Note that public officials and the press alway use the word "alleged," so as not to libel or slander or affect judicial outcomes. Legal resolutions are nice but, truly, are not as important as basic moral values.

    I wonder if Jehovah's Witnesses realize they are not Jehovah's Witnesses, but independent contractors. The Society is so lawyered up. If they once showed concerned for an alleged victim besides announcing that they have no legal duty, a different situation would emerge. Merely stating that no proof is available yet but IF it happened, a serious breach of God's commandments were involved. IF it happened, concern for the alleged victim should be noted.

    This has to do with overreaching and legal protection, not doctrine. The Roman Catholic Church no longer makes such assertions. Only by making the allegation public, as in the case of Sandusky, can one determine if there are legions of other victims remaining silent. Besides, we all know Witness culture, after being told to rely on Jehovah, how many active Witnesses would dare report it to authorities.

    Render Caesar;s things to Caesar but God' things to God. Their legal duty is beside the point. A basic moral duty is present.

    JW GoneBad posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:10:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    'Plaintiff's attorney said that Campos is a serial molester.'

    So Campos was a serial molester while also serving as a JW Elder!

    The question is how many other appointed men among JWs are currently serving as Ministerial Servants or Elders who are also child molesters? There is a high likelihood that there are many more 'J W Campos' out there. Remember too that there are 100,000+ JW congregations with an average of 15 to 20 Ministerial Servants and Elders serving in each one.

    If only we had our hands on that WTBTS sex offender data base!

    Scott77 posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:06:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    "... I expect any organization, remotely favored by God or the fates, too have higher standards than the law. ..The very nature of the crime makes it almost impossible there will be witness... I wonder if Jehovah's Witnesses realize they are not Jehovah's Witnesses, but independent contractors... Render Caesar;s things to Caesar but God' things to God. Their legal duty is beside the point. A basic moral duty is present. "
    Band on the Run

    Hi Band on the Run,

    I thought those were some of the great pieces statements I liked. I think, they stand out. May be it can be safely stated that the Watchtower society of Jehovah's Witnesses has lost the 'contract' to represent the higher authoriy and his higher morals on this earth.


    AndersonsInfo posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:53:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    The Campos deposition is very interesting, especially where he admits to molestation after molestation over the years. These are not allegations by Plaintiffs. In fact, in the court records it's revealed that this man confessed to elders at different times the molestation of different kids. When he was accused, most times he admitted what he had done, but would repent so was forgiven. Nobody ever went to the authorities so he continued his acts of perversion and finally he fled to Mexico. I have not asked why he has not been extradited by the authorities to the US but I'm going to.


    AndersonsInfo posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:05:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    During the weekend, the Zalkin court documents will be uploaded to Send Space and I'll put the link on JWN. Also, the Conti Trial Court Documents will also be uploaded. They are all pdf files and searchable.


    PaintedToeNail posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:13:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    It is extraordinarely disturbing to see the blatent disregard for the safety of the congregation that was exhibited by these elders, congregations, and the WTBTS. So much for protection from danger and the evil one(s) by Jehovah and his strong tower.

    Thank you Barbara for your tireless work in this matter, you are an angel!

    breakfast of champions posted Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:30:00 GMT(7/19/2012)

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    So why did the Conti case get press coverage (albeit pretty weak) and this case seems to have no coverage (didn't come up on google news)? Is it just a matter that the society actually lost and lost big in the Conti case?


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