So Why Exactly Did Joe Paterno Get Fired?

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    Philadelphia Ponos posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:58:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    Someone reported to Joe that they witnessed one of his coaches molesting a young boy. Joe reports it to his bosses and his bosses reports it to the DA. Betweeb Joe, his bosses, and the DA someone questions the coach about the alleged molestation and he denies it. They have no actual evidence of a molestation so they do nothing. According to reports, the other alleged molestations where never reported to Joe but to indiviuals higher up in the university. My question is this, if the one time the incident of molestation was reported to Joe yeild no evidence of a molestation after being reviewed by the DA and other university officals, why is Joe be punished? How was he to know an actual molestation took place against the lack of evidence? I believe he did the right thing by not going to police right away, he didn't witness any molestation and didn't have any proof of a molestation so he reported to his boss so the matter could be further investigated.

    N.drew posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:04:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    Can it be that the University didn't want to pay poor Joe a pension?

    M leavingwt posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:04:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    PP: Do you work for the Watchtower Writing Department?

    N.drew posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:06:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    I don't. Haha

    M flipper posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:12:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    Are you partial to Joe because you are from Philadelphia ? Or were you next in line to coach the Penn State football team ? Or have you just got back from a looooong vacation ? This is a game of 20 questions, come on- let's play. ( Just teasing ) Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    Berengaria posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:16:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    good old boys

    M JeffT posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:24:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    Technically he followed policy by reporting it up the chain of command. If I had been in his position I would have dogged that chain of command until the issue was resolved. Specifically I would have been asking when the police were going to interview me. If nothing happened I'd call the cops myself and ask them what was going on.

    If I'd been the guy that saw it I would have called 911 on the spot and told them if an officer wasn't there in about three minutes they could send a hearse because I would take care of it myself.

    Berengaria posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:32:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    If I had been in his position I would have dogged that chain of command until the issue was resolved.

    Exactly. And I'm sorry, but I feel it was because rather than his first thought being for the child, it was for the organization. Sound familiar?

    Lore posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:54:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    I'm not from Philadelpha, and I geniunely don't give a crap about Joe Paterno or whatever sport it was he was coaching.

    But if I understand correctly here's what happened.

    Joe is a coach. This puts him in a position of authority over his team. Not over the whole school and only so far as the law allows, he doesn't have the ability to throw people in jail.

    Sandy was a coach-in-training or something and was somehow under Joe's authority maybe? Not sure on that one.

    An assistant coach (unnamed, would this be a child or a school employee?) told Joe that he SAW Sandy molesting a 10 year old boy.

    Joe, not an eyewitness and going soley on this assistants word, told the higher-ups what he knew.

    The higher-ups 'investigated' and decided there was no evidence to prosecute.

    If I were in Joe's shoes I'd assume that this was all I was required to do. I could go to the police, but I have NO evidence, I didn't see it, and the guys who should know about these things have already decided there was not enough evidence to do anything.

    Knowing that, I'd STILL tell the cops and say: "Hey, I have no evidence whatsoever, but someone told me that Sandy was molesting a 10 year old. . . that's all I know, kthxbai"

    But seriously I might not even do that depending on how reliable the assistant coach was and how much I trusted the judgement of my superiors.

    Who the heck is this assistant coach, and if he actually SAW this take place, why isn't he the one in trouble? Why did he tell Joe instead of the police. . . what the heck did he expect Joe to do about it?

    The people Joe reported this too, they are under the EXACT same obligations Joe was under.

    Justitia Themis posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 03:04:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    Why don't you try reading the Grand Jury's Findings of Fact?

    You will not be confused afterwards. ; )

    M leavingwt posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:28:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    "The idea that anyone - from Joe Paterno, who told a grand jury that his assistant had witnessed "something of a sexual nature" between one of his coaches and a child to his jock-sniffing apologists to the idiot students who rioted because a football season was disrupted - thinks something is more important than the crimes committed and covered up a chain of university administrators and coaches is repulsive beyond belief."

    http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/14/penn-state-joe-paterno-andthe-profit-mot

    simon17 posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:42:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    I don't think you understand how powerful Joe Paterno is. In Central PA, he is the most important and powerful figure period. Not just most powerful in the football team. NOt just most powerful in the school. But the whole region. I mean, a few years ago, the PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY and the BOARD OF TRUSTEES came to his house and said they thought it was time for him to retire and move on. And Joe said "no." He has all the power there.

    If he was lax about reporting this or gave indications that it should be ignored, then it would be. Yes, technically, he has superiors. But in reality, he does not.

    Also, the facts are obvious that Joe Paterno must have known about previous allegations of sexual misconduct many years before this incident. Sandusky got removed as coach because of it. Look at the timeline. Look what former coaches say about Joe Paterno. They say he was all powerful and that "Joe knows... EVERYTHING." It is incomprehensible he knew as little as he is letting on.

    The cover up was ghastly, and it got its power from the only man who had that sort of power: Joe Paterno.

    M sir82 posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:45:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    They have no actual evidence of a molestation

    So if I understand it correctly, you believe football coaches are better able to determine if there is evidence of child rape than the police?

    M undercover posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:03:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    They have no actual evidence of a molestation

    Sandusky's guilt or innocence is not the damning factor here... It's the inaction of an entire chain of people who did not report the allegations to the proper authorities so that it could be investigated.

    edited to add: Paterno did report to his bosses, but did nothing else. In the eyes of moral people, this is unacceptable. If you heard of a crime against a child being committed on your turf, then you would think that you would want to get this investigated and solved. Paterno told his boss and then went on with his business of coaching. Didn't he ever wonder what came of it? Didn't he ever wonder that if one child was abused, was this guy abusing others? Didn't he ever wonder what happened to the one child. Is he still being abused?

    This scandal has exposed, well, maybe not exposed, we all knew it before, but is now stressing how powerful sports and sports people are to big schools. They operate with impunity and we the fans and alumni wink and look away. We're all guilty to a degree. We worship our favorite schools and spend money on tickets and clothes and donations, expecting winners, damn all else. We all want to be ignorant of the darker secrets and sins of our heros, but when it comes to light we have to be outraged...and act. We can't just think it's a one time thing and hope it goes away. Thee current system of big time college sports may need to be overhauled.

    M james_woods posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:10:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    The University fired Paterno as a damage control effort to try to rid itself of this scandal. He was implicated because he knew of the scandal and contributed to the coverup of the scandal. This coverup very likely put dozens of victims at risk because the pervert was not prosecuted when the issue was discovered.

    In the latest developments:

    TEN more victims have come forward claiming abuse by Sandusky.

    The university has admitted that it is still paying Sandusky a $60,000 per year pension.

    The judge who gave Sandusky a trivially low bail amount (and no monitoring) is revealed to have ties to his stalking ground charity organization. She refuses to make any comments about this.

    Sandusky himself admits to nude showers and "horseplay" with boys, but claims nothing of a sexual nature ever took place.

    The NCAA is hiding under their desks - I guess it is a cardinal sin with them for boosters to pay for star football players, but it is not an issue if a coach is guilty of child molestation.

    M james_woods posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:18:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    This scandal has exposed, well, maybe not exposed, we all knew it before, but is now stressing how powerful sports and sports people are to big schools. They operate with impunity and we the fans and alumni wink and look away. We're all guilty to a degree. We worship our favorite schools and spend money on tickets and clothes and donations, expecting winners, damn all else. We all want to be ignorant of the darker secrets and sins of our heros, but when it comes to light we have to be outraged...and act. We can't just think it's a one time thing and hope it goes away. Thee current system of big time college sports may need to be overhauled.

    Exactly correct - and let us not forget that Paterno was being paid more than any teaching professor who was a Nobel laureate.

    M darth frosty posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:54:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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    Joe pa was god in that state.

    to prove 2 years after this incident when his 'bosses' came and tried to get him to retire he basically told them to fuck off and his 'bosses' did just that.

    also he knew of allegations of this guy diddling lil boys from back in 98?!?

    The Outlier posted Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:33:00 GMT(11/15/2011)

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