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Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
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Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:37:00 GMT
(10/3/2011)
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![]() TennesseePost 764 of 870 Since 4/22/2005 |
The Watch Tower Society, the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, last week issued a "special" letter to ALL Bodies of Elders in the State of Victoria instructing them to immediately apply for their Working with Children licenses and to comply with child protection laws. The letter includes instructions that the contents are not to be made public or shared with members of the congregation. As a direct result of their refusal to comply, criminal charges were officially filed on July 26, 2011 in the Magistrates’ Court of Victoria, Australia, against the entire worldwide religious and corporate hierarchy of the church of Jehovah’s Witnesses. An initial 35 criminal charges, alleging breaches of mandatory child protection laws, were individually filed against the following corporations and bodies as named in the court documents: Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses (7 charges) All current members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are also facing potential arrest and charging in relation to each alleged offence as they “knew of, or knowingly authorized or permitted, the commission of the offence." Consequently, the Victorian Human Rights Commission has commenced a formal investigation in relation to these statements by Jehovah's Witnesses under the categories of "religious vilification" and "inciting religious hatred."
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:49:00 GMT
(10/3/2011)
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Post 81 of 112 Since 9/13/2011 |
Thanks for this information.
They want it both ways. They fight for legal recognition and then they act like they're above the law. Not surprising. This is how they treat the sheep. They want to dictate and control the minutiae of the lives of their followers but act as if they share no responsibility for then ruining them with false predictions and capricious regulations about everything from marital intimacy to medical procedures and selective service. |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:49:00 GMT
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Post 2796 of 3258 Since 9/30/2009 |
I think this is great. However if the elders commited a crime by not following the laws that makes them criminals. Therefore I dont understand why Mr. Unthank protected those criminals.... if they broke the law the must face the consequences of their actions.... "to cesar what is to cesar" thats my opinion. No mercy with criminals... they had no mercy with him... and he is not a criminal |
Spectre
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:55:00 GMT
(10/3/2011)
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![]() CaliforniaPost 1214 of 1286 Since 9/23/2005 |
I got a bit of a chuckle at the amount of the fine. |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:05:00 GMT
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Post 106 of 138 Since 4/1/2009 |
I wonder if any elders some back and say "ahhh, I couldnt get one.......ah yeah something to do with drink drive before I was a JW" If any elders are stood down over the next few weeks be suspicouse. But really, I think these checks are stupid. I doubt they have reduced child abuse anywhere. But still, forcing the WT to comply against their will is always good |
ohiocowboy
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:07:00 GMT
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![]() TexasPost 2698 of 3292 Since 4/7/2004 |
Great news! I wish that the USA and other countries would follow suit with their own versions of "Working with children" laws. It would save a lot of children from abuse. Of course they had to add that the letter is not to be made public or read by others in the Congregations. It shows how deceitful and sneaky they are and how they don't want the word to get out that they broke the law. They have no shame. I too thought that the fine amount of $144,000 was hilarious! How fitting! Thank you very much for the update! |
Gayle
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:13:00 GMT
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![]() ArizonaPost 3005 of 3462 Since 11/17/2006 |
Thank you so much, Barbara, for the update! Wow, you have been busy, girl, covering all these issues! I so look forward to October 11 to see how this continues there. Clearly, Caesar wants to protect the children more than Governing Body do. It will be very interesting how fines and charges are determined. I would think the elders are sweating it out also. It's true, the GB, and other WT headquarter corporation members have accountability primarily in all this. However, it's time for elders to get a crisis of conscience in their accountability too, and to personally question to themselves to what degree they should just obey the GB, branch overseers, COs and DOs. Like it is said, unless they're hit in the pocketbook, then they won't care. Maybe some of the rank and file will start to question this reality in Victoria, and then follow with the chain reaction to question many more issues. Hopefully the newspapers will have a good exposure about the WTS. |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:17:00 GMT
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Post 359 of 603 Since 9/9/2010 |
It would be nifty if someone could post a copy of that letter to elders... the rush to comply letter... MeanMrMustard |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:28:00 GMT
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Post 66 of 606 Since 5/27/2011 |
I second MeanMrMustard's notion of posting the letter. Would love to read that one. |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:29:00 GMT
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![]() England, CambridgeshirePost 338 of 468 Since 1/22/2008 |
It just goes to show how detached from reality the elder has become. It would've bothered me no end back in 2008 that I may need to comply with this law and yet, it appears, the 'instruction from above' was to ignore it and carry on as normal - whatever normal is to these charlatans. Can I use 'charlatans' or is it similar usage to 'mentally diseased'? |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:33:00 GMT
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Post 67 of 606 Since 5/27/2011 |
A question for Barbara or others. I'm probably being a little dense but there is something here that I haven't yet heard of. If I'm following this correctly, the 35 charges result from five Watchtower entities (4 corporations + the Faithful and Discreet Slave) being charged with 7 counts each. Then it says, "All charges are in relation to allegations of unlawful activities carried out within the Tarragon Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses by the entire Body of Tarragon Congregation Elders. In addition, there are approximately between 100-150 other sets of charges pending in relation to every single congregation in the State of Victoria." My Q is, what does one single congregation, Tarragon, and it's body of elders, have to do with this? Since this is a state wide issue in all of Victoria, why are all the charges related to that KH/Congrregation/BOE? Were there other "unlawful activities" besides failing to comply with the WWCA2005 law that involved only that congretation? (I hope I'm making the question clear) Regardless of my confusion on that point, this is GREAT news. I was afraid the Society would find some way to skirt the law, but this is satisfying. Thumbs up to Steven Unthank! And many thanks to Barbara Anderson and her contacts for all the updates. |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:50:00 GMT
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Post 2275 of 3111 Since 11/12/2009 |
They will still try to find a way to avoid any penalties from the ongoing cases i am sure. Perhaps they hope the sudden compliance regarding elders will go some way to appease the law. I am sure the judge/s will not be so blind as to see the sudden change of heart as more than a desperate attempt to cover their own arses. However it still doesn't go as far as i understand it should, seeing that all baptised JWs are 'ordained ministers' by the WTs own mouth. maybe the judge will decide the elders are enough, who knows? If this is the only outcome of the case it will have been a great victory. oz |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:50:00 GMT
(10/3/2011)
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Post 7546 of 9168 Since 6/25/2009 |
This is indeed is great news. I wonder if the organisation is begining to feel under pressure! |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:55:00 GMT
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Post 2276 of 3111 Since 11/12/2009 |
The Watch Tower Society, the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, last week issued a "special" letter to ALL Bodies of Elders in the State of Victoria instructing them to immediately apply for their Working with Children licenses and to comply with child protection laws. The letter includes instructions that the contents are not to be made public or shared with members of the congregation. Barbara, can you confirm this: that all of the above issued the letter? If indeed the "Faithful and Discreet slave" were signatories or writers of a letter it would be very interesting would it not? This would also indicate that the slave was a prosecutable body rather than an unknown faceless uncounted and unconsulted group. OH, and i wonder if any Aussies will be at the court on the 11th? oz |
brinjen
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:23:00 GMT
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![]() Northern TerritoryPost 7475 of 7476 Since 4/28/2007 |
This is awesome.
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:26:00 GMT
(10/3/2011)
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Post 1431 of 1766 Since 5/6/2001 |
Super! Marvin Shilmer |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:29:00 GMT
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Post 526 of 701 Since 9/26/2010 |
It would be interesting to see this letter that was sent to the elders. where is the information coming from that this was the case? I hate to say this but I worry that applying for the WWC will make no difference to the appointment of elders. If Bethel has sent a letter to the elders instructing them to apply for a WWC one would think it would also contain instructions of what to do if an elder was not able to obtain one. It is also claimed that they are not to make the instructions known to the R & F. It may be that they will still allow an elder to retain his position (and possibly advise him not to participate in the ministry school or any one on one activities with a child). It is possible that only Bethel and the elder/s will know that he does not have the certificate and it would only be up to a Government authority to do a close examination for any non compliance in the individual elders case. Bethel could still maintain their position that the individual elder was not working with children. Also as they see the positions of elders as being appointed by the 'holy spirit' they may feel it is applicable to uphold theocratic warfare and take the stand that God's will overrules any man made law in this case. So even if they are applying for the WWC the purpose of them being required to do so may be in vein. |
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:46:00 GMT
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![]() TennesseePost 765 of 870 Since 4/22/2005 |
I also have questions that need answering. My contacts are in the thick of things and have a complete view of the events but are not making themselves clear enough to me, hence the questions. (That's because my contacts are men and we know that men are not detail oriented like women are. Perhaps I should have waited on posting, but with so much material coming in because of so much happening down under, if I wait, information gets lost in the shuffle. My attitude is that "it will all come out in the wash" and eventually we'll get it straight. I'll do my best to ask around and get back to this board with some answers. Barbara |
Gayle
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:50:00 GMT
(10/3/2011)
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![]() ArizonaPost 3009 of 3462 Since 11/17/2006 |
That's okay, Barbara,,I like getting even little updates at a time on this case, bits and pieces are still so interesting. |
tenyearsafter
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Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws
posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:57:00 GMT
(10/3/2011)
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![]() CaliforniaPost 1146 of 1307 Since 6/9/2007 |
In addition to the fine being $144,000, I found that the number of charges for each "individual" charged was interesting...the symbolic heavenly perfection number of 7!
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