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Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws

    AndersonsInfo Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:37:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit


    United States Tennessee

    Post 764 of 870
    Since 4/22/2005

    The Watch Tower Society, the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, last week issued a "special" letter to ALL Bodies of Elders in the State of Victoria instructing them to immediately apply for their Working with Children licenses and to comply with child protection laws. The letter includes instructions that the contents are not to be made public or shared with members of the congregation.

    This means an investigation authorized by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses and initiated by lawyers representing the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc. have concluded that the Victorian Working with Children Act 2005 and the associated child protection laws DO INDEED APPLY to all elders serving in congregations throughout the State of Victoria both in the public ministry and in their internal ministry, which includes the Theocratic Ministry School.

    Compliance with the Working with Children laws became compulsory for "religious organizations" within the State of Victoria on July 1, 2008.

    The Watch Tower Society refused to comply stating they did not have Sunday Schools, although full well knowing that non-compliance is a criminal offence.

    As a direct result of their refusal to comply, criminal charges were officially filed on July 26, 2011 in the Magistrates’ Court of Victoria, Australia, against the entire worldwide religious and corporate hierarchy of the church of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    These charges allege ongoing breaches of the Victorian Working with Children Act 2005 as it applies to “religious organizations.” 

    An initial 35 criminal charges, alleging breaches of mandatory child protection laws, were individually filed against the following corporations and bodies as named in the court documents:

    Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses (7 charges)
    Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (7 charges)
    Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia (7 charges)
    Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses (7 charges)
    Faithful and Discreet Slave (7 charges)


    Each of the 35 charges carries a fine of up to Au$144,000 and a criminal conviction.

    The next court hearing date is scheduled for October 11, 2011.


    All of the "accused" legally and religiously, form part of the Committee of Management for the Religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the State of Victoria.

    All charges are in relation to allegations of unlawful activities carried out within the Tarragon Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses by the entire Body of Tarragon Congregation Elders. In addition, there are approximately between 100-150 other sets of charges pending in relation to every single congregation in the State of Victoria. 

    All current members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are also facing potential arrest and charging in relation to each alleged offence as they “knew of, or knowingly authorized or permitted, the commission of the offence."

    Prior to, and continually after, the July 1, 2008 deadline for compliance, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses were repeatedly notified that their appointed representatives and elders were engaging in working with children in breach of the Victorian Working with Children laws within their internal ministry in every single Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in the State of Victoria. They were also notified that the Watch Tower Society refused to comply.

    Regardless of being repeatedly notified, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses continued to permit the commissioning of the offences.

    Charges of "lawlessness" and "sin" have been brought against the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses within the congregation, by members of Jehovah's Witnesses, over their Governing Body's refusal to comply with child protection laws.

    No investigation commenced and the entire case was shut down by Watch Tower lawyers.

    Steven Unthank has now been vindicated in forcing the Watch Tower Society and the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses to comply with child protection laws.

    It is worth noting that the only reason individual elders within the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses in the State of Victoria were not personally arrested and criminally charged in relation to alleged breaches of the Working with Children laws, was solely because of positive action taken by Mr. Unthank to protect these very elders and their families by having the corporations charged and not the individual "ministers of religion."

    For all it's worth, this legal action and maneuver on Mr. Unthank's part has prevented untold needless suffering upon members of the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    For successfully taking this stand to protect these individual elders, and all children within the Victorian community (via the Public Ministry) and all children within the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses in the State of Victoria (via the Internal Ministry), Steven Unthank is now referred to as being "mentally diseased" and a "criminal" by members of Jehovah's Witnesses--the very same men, women, and children he has protected. 

    Consequently, the Victorian Human Rights Commission has commenced a formal investigation in relation to these statements by Jehovah's Witnesses under the categories of "religious vilification" and "inciting religious hatred."

    Now, however, we patiently wait to see if the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses will plead "guilty" on October 11, 2011 at their next scheduled court appearance?

     

    nateb Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:49:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 81 of 112
    Since 9/13/2011

    Thanks for this information.

     

    They want it both ways. They fight for legal recognition and then they act like they're above the law. Not surprising. This is how they treat the sheep. They want to dictate and control the minutiae of the lives of their followers but act as if they share no responsibility for then ruining them with false predictions and capricious regulations about everything from marital intimacy to medical procedures and selective service.

    cyberjesus Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:49:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 2796 of 3258
    Since 9/30/2009

    I think this is great. However if the elders commited a crime by not following the laws that makes them criminals. Therefore I dont understand why Mr. Unthank protected those criminals.... if they broke the law the must face the consequences of their actions.... "to cesar what is to cesar"

    thats my opinion.

    No mercy with criminals... they had no mercy with him... and he is not a criminal

    Spectre Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:55:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit


    United States California

    Post 1214 of 1286
    Since 9/23/2005

    I got a bit of a chuckle at the amount of the fine.

    Pig Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:05:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 106 of 138
    Since 4/1/2009

    I wonder if any elders some back and say "ahhh, I couldnt get one.......ah yeah something to do with drink drive before I was a JW"

    If any elders are stood down over the next few weeks be suspicouse.

    But really, I think these checks are stupid. I doubt they have reduced child abuse anywhere.

    But still, forcing the WT to comply against their will is always good

    ohiocowboy Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:07:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit


    United States Texas

    Post 2698 of 3292
    Since 4/7/2004

    Great news! I wish that the USA and other countries would follow suit with their own versions of "Working with children" laws. It would save a lot of children from abuse. Of course they had to add that the letter is not to be made public or read by others in the Congregations. It shows how deceitful and sneaky they are and how they don't want the word to get out that they broke the law. They have no shame.

    I too thought that the fine amount of $144,000 was hilarious! How fitting!

    Thank you very much for the update!

    Gayle Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:13:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit


    United States Arizona

    Post 3005 of 3462
    Since 11/17/2006

    Thank you so much, Barbara, for the update!   Wow, you have been busy, girl, covering all these issues!

    I so look forward to October 11 to see how this continues there. Clearly, Caesar wants to protect the children more than Governing Body do.

    It will be very interesting how fines and charges are determined.  I would think the elders are sweating it out also.  It's true, the GB, and other WT headquarter corporation members have accountability primarily in all this.  However, it's time for elders to get a crisis of conscience in their accountability too, and to personally question to themselves to what degree they should just obey the GB, branch overseers, COs and DOs.  Like it is said, unless they're hit in the pocketbook, then they won't care.

    Maybe some of the rank and file will start to question this reality in Victoria, and then follow with the chain reaction to question many more issues.  Hopefully the newspapers will have a good exposure about the WTS.   

    MeanMrMustard Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:17:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 359 of 603
    Since 9/9/2010

    It would be nifty if someone could post a copy of that letter to elders... the rush to comply letter...

    MeanMrMustard

    ScenicViewer Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:28:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 66 of 606
    Since 5/27/2011

    I second MeanMrMustard's notion of posting the letter.  Would love to read that one.

    hotspur Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:29:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit


    United Kingdom England, Cambridgeshire

    Post 338 of 468
    Since 1/22/2008

    It just goes to show how detached from reality the elder has become. It would've bothered me no end back in 2008 that I may need to comply with this law and yet, it appears, the 'instruction from above' was to ignore it and carry on as normal - whatever normal is to these charlatans.

    Can I use 'charlatans' or is it similar usage to 'mentally diseased'?

    ScenicViewer Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:33:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 67 of 606
    Since 5/27/2011

    A question for Barbara or others. 

    I'm probably being a little dense but there is something here that I haven't yet heard of.

    If I'm following this correctly, the 35 charges result from five Watchtower entities (4 corporations + the Faithful and Discreet Slave) being charged with 7 counts each.

    Then it says,

    "All charges are in relation to allegations of unlawful activities carried out within the Tarragon Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses by the entire Body of Tarragon Congregation Elders. In addition, there are approximately between 100-150 other sets of charges pending in relation to every single congregation in the State of Victoria."

    My Q is, what does one single congregation, Tarragon, and it's body of elders, have to do with this?  Since this is a state wide issue in all of Victoria, why are all the charges related to that KH/Congrregation/BOE?  Were there other "unlawful activities" besides failing to comply with the WWCA2005 law that involved only that congretation?

    (I hope I'm making the question clear)

    Regardless of my confusion on that point, this is GREAT news.  I was afraid the Society would find some way to skirt the law, but this is satisfying.  Thumbs up to Steven Unthank!  And many thanks to Barbara Anderson and her contacts for all the updates.

    Aussie Oz Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:50:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 2275 of 3111
    Since 11/12/2009

    They will still try to find a way to avoid any penalties from the ongoing cases i am sure. Perhaps they hope the sudden compliance regarding elders will go some way to appease the law.

    I am sure the judge/s will not be so blind as to see the sudden change of heart as more than a desperate attempt to cover their own arses.

    However it still doesn't go as far as i understand it should, seeing that all baptised JWs are 'ordained ministers' by the WTs own mouth. maybe the judge will decide the elders are enough, who knows?

    If this is the only outcome of the case it will have been a great victory.

    oz

    cantleave Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:50:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 7546 of 9168
    Since 6/25/2009

    This is indeed is great news. I wonder if the organisation is begining to feel under pressure!

    Aussie Oz Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:55:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 2276 of 3111
    Since 11/12/2009

    The Watch Tower Society, the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, last week issued a "special" letter to ALL Bodies of Elders in the State of Victoria instructing them to immediately apply for their Working with Children licenses and to comply with child protection laws. The letter includes instructions that the contents are not to be made public or shared with members of the congregation.

    Barbara, can you confirm this: that all of the above issued the letter? If indeed the "Faithful and Discreet slave" were signatories or writers of a letter it would be very interesting would it not? This would also indicate that the slave was a prosecutable body rather than an unknown faceless uncounted and unconsulted group.

    OH, and i wonder if any Aussies will be at the court on the 11th?

    oz

    brinjen Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:23:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit


    Australia Northern Territory

    Post 7475 of 7476
    Since 4/28/2007

    This is awesome. I've wondered if there was anything brewing over as several states and territories and are changing their laws to combat the problem of child abuse. Here in the Northern Territory our mandatory notification laws changed in 2009. Now, anyone who is aware of domestic violence or has reason to believe a child is being abused is required by law to report this... haven't heard how they took to those changes.

     

    Marvin Shilmer Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:26:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 1431 of 1766
    Since 5/6/2001

    Super!

    Marvin Shilmer

    Listener Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:29:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit




    Post 526 of 701
    Since 9/26/2010

    It would be interesting to see this letter that was sent to the elders. where is the information coming from that this was the case?

    I hate to say this but I worry that applying for the WWC will make no difference to the appointment of elders.  If Bethel has sent a letter to the elders instructing them to apply for a WWC one would think it would also contain instructions of what to do if an elder was not able to obtain one.  It is also claimed that they are not to make the instructions known to the R & F.  It may be that they will still allow an elder to retain his position (and possibly advise him not to participate in the ministry school or any one on one activities with a child).  It is possible that only Bethel and the elder/s will know that he does not have the certificate and it would only be up to a Government authority to do a close examination for any non compliance in the individual elders case.  Bethel could still maintain their position that the individual elder was not working with children.  Also as they see the positions of elders as being appointed by the 'holy spirit' they may feel it is applicable to uphold theocratic warfare and take the stand that God's will overrules any man made law in this case. 

    So even if they are applying for the WWC the purpose of them being required to do so may be in vein. 

    AndersonsInfo Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:46:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit


    United States Tennessee

    Post 765 of 870
    Since 4/22/2005

    I also have questions that need answering. My contacts are in the thick of things and have a complete view of the events but are not making themselves clear enough to me, hence the questions. (That's because my contacts are men and we know that men are not detail oriented like women are.    )

    Perhaps I  should have waited on posting, but with so much material coming in because of so much happening down under, if I wait, information gets lost in the shuffle. My attitude is that "it will all come out in the wash" and eventually we'll get it straight.

    I'll do my best to ask around and get back to this board with some answers.

    Barbara

    Gayle Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:50:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit


    United States Arizona

    Post 3009 of 3462
    Since 11/17/2006

    That's okay, Barbara,,I like getting even little updates at a time on this case, bits and pieces are still so interesting.

    tenyearsafter Re: Victoria, Australia: WTBTS and GB of JWs have shown themselves to be "GUILTY" respecting previous noncompliance with “Working With Children” Laws posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 14:57:00 GMT (10/3/2011) edit


    United States California

    Post 1146 of 1307
    Since 6/9/2007

    In addition to the fine being $144,000, I found that the number of charges for each "individual" charged was interesting...the symbolic heavenly perfection number of 7! 

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