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Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me!

    life is to short Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:24:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 367 of 1956
    Since 8/22/2009

    OK so last Sunday was my last meeting. I have been in contact with the service department over this problem with the child molesters in my hall, I have written many, many letters begging for help, I have gotten nothing for help from them, but to wait on Jehovah and pray more study more, etc. So I want them to know that they they win they have weeded me out from the "truth" I am a bad seed from Satan as I cannot abide by how we handle child molesters. I spoke to a brother just now who I have talked to in the past. You never know their name nor do you get the same person so you have to go over and over your story this time I got a brother who I have talked to in the past so I did not have to go over it yet again. They do have it all on the computer though. All of it including my husbands heart attacks. I am known back in Bethel as if that is something to be proud of. 

     So today I asked this brother flat out how we are better then the Catholic's he said because we do not have child molesters as overseers of the flock like the Catholic's do. He said you just said yourself that these brothers are not elders or MS's. I totally blasted him and said that I have shown the court records of this one pedophile to the police, the former city prosecuting attorney, a reporter for the local news who wants to do a story on it and just because this child molester does not have a title in the congregation means nothing to the people he is calling on in service I said to the brother this morning the prosecuting attorney said he does not want this pedophile to call on his home and he lives in the territory of my hall. I told the brother in the service department that I told the prosecuting attorney sorry but the child molester's right to declare his religion and go door to door supersedes your right as a grandfather to protect your grandchildren even in your own home. I said we slam the Catholic's every chance we get about the Priests when was the last time a pedophile priest called on anyone you know.

    Before I said all of this the brother had tried to reason with me and tell me Jehovah loved me blah, blah, blah. I used Flippers story about a bother rushing the stage at a meeting begging the friends to watch their children because their was a child molester in the hall and the elders were not doing anything about it. Thank you flipper. I told him about my friends niece who just committed suicide and she was the daughter of an elder, she was molested because no one knew, no one told her parents. I told him about how I had just last Thursday night at meeting loudly said when the elder said it was nice that I was at the meeting and was I not happy to be there, that np I was not happy because of the baby rapists running around. I then told him how the brother counseled me saying that I was in the wrong and causing divisions in the hall. I told the elder and the brother this morning he should have been glad I did not rush the stage and yell it.

    So anyway it all ended with the brother from the service saying that we as God's chosen people are so much better then the Catholic's and any other religion because we do not put child molesters in places of trust in the congregation. That is when I blasted him with everything I just wrote and more and when I said when was the last time a Catholic priest called on anyone you know. He said thank your for calling Sister LITS and hung up.

    To tell you the truth I am a little, shocked, shook up and very mad. I know I might have blown it by telling them about the reporter but the reporter will not do the story unless he gets the child molester on film go door to door. He tired for over a month and his boss pulled it because all of a sudden he stopped going out in service, he had been going every week until the reporter tired to get him. I have tried and tried myself to catch him on my cell phone even, but with him being called a sexual psychopath and starting to follow me I cannot do it I am too stressed out to get it on film. so it will  probably never go on the news. I told the brother that I tell everyone and show everyone the court and police records to let them know that we send these kind of people to their doors.

    So do you think they will DF me? Do you think they will read this post? 

    Sorry for any spelling errors I am very shook up right now. I am shanking as I type this. LITS

    Titus Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:29:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 970 of 1306
    Since 11/25/2009

    If you know for child molesters in your congregation, you should call police, not bethel.

    I don't believe you.

    life is to short Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:34:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 368 of 1956
    Since 8/22/2009

    If you read my post you will know that I have talked to the police they have a right to go door to door. Sex offenders have a right to go door to door. This one man is not regestered as a sex offender as his crime is before that time. Call your local police department and ask them. Why would I lie about this Titus??????????? Sorry but you must have been one of the elders who would have handled it like the JW's do. 

    How do you think I got the police and court records anyway??????????? From the police du.

    BluesBrother Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:36:00 GMT (7/20/2010)


    United Kingdom England

    Post 6158 of 7953
    Since 10/29/2001

    how I had just last Thursday night at meeting loudly said when the elder said it was nice that I was at the meeting and was I not happy to be there, that np I was not happy because of the baby rapists running around. I then told him how the brother counseled me saying that I was in the wrong and causing divisions in the hall. I told the elder and the brother this morning he should have been glad I did not rush the stage and yell it.

    Well done "Sister LITS" you have the guts to do it...I think the WT used to call it "Righteous indignation"...

    Will they D/F you?

    It all depends on the attitude of your elders . my friend was once for "Causing contention in the cong." but a calm body of elders will not do so.

    Will they read your post?

    I doubt it, personally, and how can they prove that it was you?

    Titus Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:40:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 972 of 1306
    Since 11/25/2009

    Then it is the problem of police and of the law of your state. Don't blame Jehovah's Witnesses for that!

    quietlyleaving Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:41:00 GMT (7/20/2010)


    Turks and Caicos Islands

    Post 4381 of 4505
    Since 6/22/2007

    I believe you life is to short as I have done the same as you  last year.  I don't think you will be disfellowshipped over this as I was not (I shared my name and congo).  They don't believe women can do much harm!  Secondly I think indvidually they are very concerned about the problem anyway but hope the end will come soon

     

    edit: and as blues brothers said it is indeed righteous indignation

     

    wannabefree Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:45:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 439 of 2730
    Since 4/5/2010

    We are all sinners, we all need forgiveness, Jesus' sacrifice covers sins that we might have a hard time forgiving ourselves.  Clearly you are passionate about this and I doubt you were ready to hang up until you got the result you wanted, which was not going to happen, therefore I can understand why he did.

    OUTLAW Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:46:00 GMT (7/20/2010)


    Canada British Columbia

    Post 17060 of 25592
    Since 10/11/2001

                

                                        When faced with the Truth..Jehovah`s Witness`s run away..

                                    It happens all the time  in the FS ..I`ve had JW`s knock on my door..

                     If you ask questions they don`t like..They say they have to leave,because they`re busy..

                                                                                 And..

                                   What ever problems the WBT$ has..It`s always the Catholics fault..

     

                                  The guy on the phone did the same..Blamed the Catholics and Ran Away..

                                                          You probably took 10 years off his life..

                                                                                  

                                                                                                           ............................ ...OUTLAW

    life is to short Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:47:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 369 of 1956
    Since 8/22/2009

    So wannabefree would you put your child in his care?

    Think About It Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:52:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 1304 of 3434
    Since 1/20/2010

    So do you think they will DF me? Do you think they will read this post?

     

    If you got DF'd because of elders catering to the supposed spiritual rights of a known child molester in the congregation who's presence has stumbled you severely........then, that would be something to be proud of.

    If you do get DF'd over this........preach it from the rooftops!!!

     

    Think About It

    OnTheWayOut Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:54:00 GMT (7/20/2010)


    United States Illinois

    Post 11548 of 17275
    Since 9/8/2006

    Will they DF you?  Probably not, but that is not the end of it.  For awhile, they were probably afraid to DF you because of the bad press and the fact that you were only trying to do good.  But seeing that you have gone to the authorities/press/Bethel, they really don't have much reason to proceed with caution. 

    They will probably find some way to say that you disassociated and kick you out that way.

    OUTLAW Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:56:00 GMT (7/20/2010)


    Canada British Columbia

    Post 17061 of 25592
    Since 10/11/2001

     

    Good morning Titus..

                                                                         Jehovah`s Witness`s are not responsible for WBT$ Rules..

                                           Jehovah`s Witness`s have a say in nothing..Jehovah`s Witness`s do as they are told by the WBT$.

                                                     

                                                Until Jehovah`s Witness`s find a way to clean up the corrupt organization that runs them..

                                                                     Jehovah`s Witness`s will always be a part of WBT$ corruption..

                                                                                                                                         ............................ ...OUTLAW                       

             

    Titus Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:08:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 973 of 1306
    Since 11/25/2009

    Good night OUTLAW..

                                                                        If you know how to do what is not left but right....... and yet you do not do it......... it is a sin for U.

                         WBT$ is publishing company, it never tells Jehovah`s Witness`s what they have to do... it only printS magazines......

                                                                                               i.e. the Watchtower , New Year Day, 1997                                               

                                                Until opponents of  Jehovah`s Witness`s legally prove that Jehovah`s Witness`s cover pedophilia cases............

                                                                    Jehovah`s Witness`cannot be accused for that....... with legal validity...........

                                                                                                                                         ............................ ...TITUS

    Think About It Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:11:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 1305 of 3434
    Since 1/20/2010

    They will probably find some way to say that you disassociated and kick you out that way.

     

    I agree.  Doubt they would use the causing divisions angle to DF her.  Since LITS will not be going to meetings anymore, they will probably watch to get her on apostacy or say by her actions she has DA'd herself.  Either way she is a winner in my book.

     

    Think About It

    palmtree67 Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:24:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 2774 of 6766
    Since 4/4/2009

     

    Lits,

    What would you like to see happen with this situation?

    What do you think the elders should do to protect the cong.?

     

    Soldier77 Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:29:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 483 of 1717
    Since 4/30/2010

    LITS, hang in there, I know the rage that you're feeling, well at least similarly, as I've been through the abuse and been shut down by the WTBS because of the "two witness" rule.

    That took courage to call the service desk and you should be commended. If they DF you or decide to call it DA, whatever, at least you can live with yourself and sleep at night. You have every right to feel the way you do.

     

    yknot Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:33:00 GMT (7/20/2010)


    Syrian Arab Republic

    Post 7896 of 10117
    Since 8/24/2007

    Since this is a matter of registration laws not encompassing his crimes......why not contact your state representative.

    Have you spoken to a criminalist on expectation of repeat offending based on his records?

    Just make copies of the court transcripts, privately circulate them to those with children or occassionally attending children (like grandkids)

    The law currently is on his side, your state recognizes him to have served his time.

    _________

    Have you talked to the man personally?

    OUTLAW Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:41:00 GMT (7/20/2010)


    Canada British Columbia

    Post 17062 of 25592
    Since 10/11/2001

    Good night OUTLAW..

                                                                        If you know how to do what is not left but right....... and yet you do not do it......... it is a sin for U.

                         WBT$ is publishing company, it never tells Jehovah`s Witness`s what they have to do... it only printS magazines......

                                                                                               i.e. the Watchtower , New Year Day, 1997                                               

                                                Until opponents of  Jehovah`s Witness`s legally prove that Jehovah`s Witness`s cover pedophilia cases............

                                                                    Jehovah`s Witness`cannot be accused for that....... with legal validity...........

                                                                                                                                         ............................ ...TITUS

            

        Titus..

                          Pretending you,as a Jehovah`s Witness..Can change WBT$ Rules,is foolish..

                                        You will be given a choice to shut up,or be tossed out..

                          

                The WBT$ is not just a publishing company..They are involved in many other business`s..

                        At one time the WBT$ and I.. Both owned stock in the Rand Cam engine corp..

                                                                     We profited from War..

                         

                                          The WBT$ does make the rules in Watchtower World..

                              Jehovah`s Witness`s are  disfellowshipped for not following WBT$ Rules..

                                                   Why would you tell such an Obvious Lie?

     

                The WBT$ has been succesfully sued multiple times,because of the WBT$ pedophile problem..

            That is enough legal proof for anyone,who is`nt trying to protect a corrupt organization..The WBT$..

              

            Instead of trying to protect a corrupt WBT$ Organization..You should either try to clean it up,or leave..

                                         Lying for the WBT$ makes all Jehovah`s Witness`s look bad..

                                                                                                                               ............................ ...OUTLAW                       

    Titus Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:04:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 974 of 1306
    Since 11/25/2009

    Good night OUTLAW..

                                                                        If you know how to do what is not left but right....... and yet you do not do it......... it is a sin for U.

                         WBT$ is publishing company, it never tells Jehovah`s Witness`s what they have to do... it only printS magazines......

                                                                                               i.e. the Watchtower , New Year Day, 1997                                               

                                                Until opponents of  Jehovah`s Witness`s legally prove that Jehovah`s Witness`s cover pedophilia cases............

                                                                    Jehovah`s Witness`cannot be accused for that....... with legal validity...........

                                                                                                                                         ............................ ...TITUS

            

        Titus..

                          Pretending you,as a Jehovah`s Witness..Can change WBT$ Rules,is foolish..

                                        You will be given a choice to shut up,or be tossed out..

                          

                The WBT$ is not just a publishing company..They are involved in many other business`s..

                        At one time the WBT$ and I.. Both owned stock in the Rand Cam engine corp..

                                                                     We profited from War..

                         

                                          The WBT$ does make the rules in Watchtower World..

                              Jehovah`s Witness`s are  disfellowshipped for not following WBT$ Rules..

                                                   Why would you tell such an Obvious Lie?

     

                The WBT$ has been succesfully sued multiple times,because of the WBT$ pedophile problem..

            That is enough legal proof for anyone,who is`nt trying to protect a corrupt organization..The WBT$..

              

            Instead of trying to protect a corrupt WBT$ Organization..You should either try to clean it up,or leave..

                                         Lying for the WBT$ makes all Jehovah`s Witness`s look bad..

                                                                                                                               ............................ ...OUTLAW                       

     

    OUTLAW..

                          I am not pretending, as a Jehovah`s Witness.. to change the Rules of the WBT$..

                                        I don't want to shut up, neither be tossed out.. I have more choices......

                          

                The purpose of the WBT$ is publishing.. It is Bible and Tractor Society.........

                        At one time the WBT$ and You..       Both owned stock in the Rand Cam engine corp..

                               You profited from War.. and now you blame the WTBT$...... for the same thing........ hypocrite!

                         

                                  You twisted many things.......

                                   Let's twist again........ like we did last summer.....................

                              Jehovah`s Witness`s do not follow the WBT$ Rules..

                           But the WBT$ , company which  Jehovah`s Witness`s own, must follow d rules of Jehovah`s Witness`s....

                               Also, the WBT$ must follow the laws.............. of the United States.............

                                Ya know...................... (Matthew 22:21) . . .Pay back, therefore, things that belong to State to the State, but God’s things to God. . .

                

     

                The WBT$ has been sued multiple times,because of the pedophile problem..

                                           and had never been proved guilty.......

            That is enough legal proof for anyone, who is trying to protect the truth about..The WBT$..

              

            Instead of trying to acusse the WBT$ Organization..You should face the facts..

                   And realize that your baseless accusations make all ex-Jehovah`s Witness`s look bad..

                                                                                                                               ............................ ...TITUS                      

    wannabefree Re: Just talked to a brother in the service department and he hung up on me! posted Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:17:00 GMT (7/20/2010)




    Post 440 of 2730
    Since 4/5/2010

    So wannabefree would you put your child in his care?

    No.  I am not putting you down for what you did, I applaud you for your tenacity, I just am not surprised by the results.

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