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Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs?

    AllTimeJeff Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:01:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit


    United States

    Post 3644 of 3859
    Since 11/9/2006

    In the 70s, if there were a lack of elders in a congregation, a MS could be used in a judicial capacity if he was "qualified" and was seen to be soon an elder. I sat in with another elder from the neighboring congregation to hear a plea for reinstatement.  I was told we were meeting with him merely as a courtesy because no reinstatement was on the horizon. The DF'd man said he wanted to take the opportunity to confess something that was bothering him. He said he had performed cunnilingus on his baby niece when he changed her diaper a few times. I (we) were horrified. I expressed that if I were ever to make a judgment on this man, I could never reinstate him because of his filthy perversion. The elder basically told him to get out of the room. My understanding is that he never got reinstated and I believe he died some years later.

    OMG! Minimus, that is simply sick. Of all the people who merited disfellowshipping, stoning, electrocution, its this guy.

    minimus Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:09:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit




    Post 29530 of 29704
    Since 7/3/2002

    I can't read Jeff's comment.

    minimus Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:13:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit




    Post 29531 of 29704
    Since 7/3/2002

    Now I can see it. It was worse because I wasn't an elder, it wasn't even my congregation where I was helping, and I had zero experience. I know the elder told the other elders in his Hall and the sicko was forever branded. Fortunately, because he was forever DF'd he couldn't be talking to kids. He was a very weird person. I heard when he was a kid, his father regularly beat him and who knows what else.

    Gregor Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:11:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit

    United States Oregon

    Post 4646 of 4681
    Since 12/12/2005

    Fortunately, because he was forever DF'd he couldn't be talking to kids. He was a very weird person.

    I assume you mean JW kids. Unfortunately even registered sex perverts seem to be able to access children when they want too. It seems that hardly a day goes by without a news item about a convicted, registered sex offender has abused or killed a child after being paroled. Something is bad wrong with the system. Everyone knows the solution but our society is so ethically and morally confused we continue to let child predators repeat their crimes. 

    minimus Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:24:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit




    Post 29534 of 29704
    Since 7/3/2002

    Yes, I meant at the Hall.

    Elsewhere Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:24:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit


    United States Texas

    Post 18294 of 18335
    Since 2/8/2002
    Yes, several
    minimus Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:32:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit




    Post 29536 of 29704
    Since 7/3/2002

    We had a 6 or 7 year old boy looking for BJs from a 3 year old. The parents went crazy. I'm not sure if the kid was mimicking what he saw, if he was experimenting or he was pedophile. My understanding is that little kids may experiment and those parents worked it among themselves.

    flipper Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:07:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 9011 of 9128
    Since 3/7/2007

     

      Wow. I'm so sorry that all of you people have been hurt - and many more continue to be hurt and damaged so badly.

       MINIMUS-  There was a weird experience in the spring of 1998 at a new congregation my then wife and children and I attended which happened at the first meeting we attended there. Right after the WT study ended a brother ran up from the audience grabbed the microphone from the WT conductor , yelled and pointed to the audience, " Brother so and so , sitting over there is a child molester and if you love your children you will protect them from him ! "  The elder grabbed the microphone from this brother and said to the stunned congregation, " Brothers and sisters - we are handling this situation. "

      But the brother who exposed the pedophile to the congregation became my new hero. It wasn't until about 8 years later did I understand WHY this brother felt compelled to yell out to the congregation the name of the child molester , as only then in 2006 did I learn that the WT society and congregations kept names of child abusers confidential from rank and file members so they would never be aware of WHO a child molester was so as to be able to protect their own minor children. So I totally understood the brother who felt the need to shout it to the congregation. Brave man in my opinion. I admire the courage to speak out.  Incredible it has to get to that point to protect the children because the elders or leaders of the WT society won't ,  isn't it ?  Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    Lady Lee Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:08:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit


    Canada Ontario

    Post 13984 of 14073
    Since 6/29/2001

    My heart goes out to each one of you.

    As a survivor myself I know how much damage this kind of betrayal causes and how long it stays with us.

    Like many others here my mother was instructed by the presiding overseer to remain silent and kept the abuser in the home where he continued his sexual abuse on the girls in the family. This happened 40 years ago.

    In all that time it is unfathomable that they continue to hide this heinous crime and protect the criminals at the expense of defenseless children.

    It is unfathomable how many more victims there have been. Few of these children were abused only once. Far too often sexual abuse goes on and on, sometimes for years; sometimes not until the child is old enough to leave home and the congregation or until the child is beyond the age where the sexual abuser finds him or herself attracted to. When the abuser is a family member with constant access to his victim is is easy to count hundreds of times one child could be abused by one abuser.

    My main abuser (not the JW) molested me every day for 3 years. Count them 3 x 365 = 1095. 

    Then I went to live with my mother and her common law husband (JW study and was mishandled by the elder) who abused me every day for about 9 months 9 x 30 - 270

    Then add in 3 JW baptized uncles about 3 or 4 times each = 9-12 times

    Then there were 4 others (not JWs) ? 15 times

    1095 + 270 + 12 + 15 = 1392

    All that 1392 separate incidences old sexual abuse between the ages of 8 and 13.

    Heaven help the poor child who lives with their abuser their whole life

    Now I am bringing this up not to get pity. But to show how devastating it is to be sent back to your abuser and get no help. The abuser doesn't stop. Because the elders do nothing and fail to report the abuse to the authorities they are leaving a child at the mercy of an abuser who now knows he has a free pass to continue his abuse.

    This is what elders do when they fail to protect children

    wantstoleave Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:28:00 GMT (11/8/2009) edit



    Post 651 of 744
    Since 4/10/2009

    ((hugs)) for you all.....it makes me sick to the stomach to hear how this goes on, I am so sorry for all of you who have endured it

    Is it still policy within the organisation to keep names of offenders under wraps?

    Lady Lee Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:37:00 GMT (11/8/2009) edit


    Canada Ontario

    Post 13985 of 14073
    Since 6/29/2001

    They have two policies

    The public one is that all disclosures of sexual abuse should be reported to the authorities where the law requires it. Elders must contact Bethel to find out if they need to report or not

    The WT policy still requires two witnesses or a confession. Of course if the accused is repentant he or she would get a slap on the hand and private reproof. Since it is highly unlikely any abuse happens with two people watching or that abusers will actually confess the elders would determine the accused as innocent and send him or her home - often to the child they are abusing.

    There are also instances where the police have become involved. The elders solution is to simply move the accused to a different congregation and no one will be notified of the accusation so many abusers get a whole new crop of innocent children to prey on

    No Longer Held Captive Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:33:00 GMT (11/8/2009) edit



    Post 16 of 107
    Since 11/5/2009

    Thats fu#:&g horrendous.

    I am a former mental health nurse, and I have come across some stories, but jws seem to top them all, and of course, you cant report it, as it will make jehovah angry-wont it? Typical paedophile manipulating techniques, no wonder Jehovah is number 1 God with these monsters.

    If I had a magic wand to wave away your pain I would do so.

    life is to short Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:40:00 GMT (11/8/2009) edit



    Post 56 of 92
    Since 8/22/2009

    btt

    recovering Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:48:00 GMT (11/8/2009) edit




    Post 175 of 181
    Since 5/22/2008

    I know of an elders family who had a large number of children. 4 boys and 2 girls. They where considered the model family. Oldest boy went to bethel although he was asked to leave for drinking). The middle son (15) however molested his own 13 yr old sister. it was quite the scandel.

    AnnOMaly Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:16:00 GMT (11/8/2009) edit


    Yugoslavia

    Post 1155 of 1166
    Since 8/11/2003

    Sadly yes. Two victims from our family. One victim who's a friend of our family - in her case there was a pedo ring. Victims from a congo I grew up in (part of a large JW family). All completely unrelated incidents.

    minimus Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:17:00 GMT (11/8/2009) edit




    Post 29550 of 29704
    Since 7/3/2002

    The Organization is filled with hypocrisy!

    creativhoney Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:41:00 GMT (11/8/2009) edit



    Post 197 of 583
    Since 4/29/2009

    I knew two girls when I was young. their dad was fiddling with them. - there is one locally and everyone feels bad because he has cancer. pedos can rot in hell for all I care.

    No Longer Held Captive Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:50:00 GMT (11/9/2009) edit



    Post 22 of 107
    Since 11/5/2009

    HYPOCRISY AINT THE WORD FOR THEIR BEHAVIUOR.

    The UN Affair

    Child abuse

    Ongoing false new light prophecy

    Twisting of scriptures

    Dividing the family unit and destruction of the individual and personality

    Rand cam

    Wankers like Robert King who is also one of the 144000, faithful slave and two witness elite group-if he is part of the latter, then where are the miracles, lets see them, then we will believe (American Wanker)

    The list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on ,and on, and theres things in those closets we still dont know about...but they will come to light at some point.

    LouBelle Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:57:00 GMT (11/9/2009) edit


    South Africa

    Post 3941 of 4005
    Since 5/19/2005

    Yes I did. 3 off the top of my head - they were friends of mine and the incident had happend in their childhood - I had asked why they were 1. still living with that parent and 2. if the cops were brought into it.

    The one women suffered abuse from her father and her brother - her life didn't end up going well at all - I don't know whatever happend to her.

    No Longer Held Captive Re: Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs? posted Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:06:00 GMT (11/9/2009) edit



    Post 24 of 107
    Since 11/5/2009

    As a Nurse, I can tell you that their lives wont go well. Usually abused females end up neurotics and suffer from Personality disorders, and more often than not, Anorexic. They binge and then puke up all theyve eaten, its all about feeling guilty about being female and developing into womanhood, so they do all they can to destroy their body shape, because of that guilt feeling, and it all stems from childhood.

    Now, false prophet Robert King, through his wanker friend arimatthewsdavies, are defending child abuse in the wbts on their stance on child abuse, and say its only apostates and revenge seeking disfellowshipped people trying to get their own back. Tell that to the courts, oohhhhhhhhhh, sorry, they made it up too, sorry, and the 5000 court documents Barabara Anderson made public too, its all not real, its all a lie.........hey, King your stay in Britain is long overdue, go back to America where your religion comes from you wanker, and take ari with you, ooooohhhhh, why did British Telecom pull the plug on you? I guess, its because they dont like what you are writing-no wonder.You are a sad wanker, and anybody writing in praise of the wbts and their stance on abused kids and women needs to be put up against a wall and shot. We know now who your God is alright, you sad and pathetic git and bully, and its not the one of the bible, not with expressing the views you are expressing. GO BACK TO AMERICA. When will we see your miracles? Afterall you say you are one of the two witnesses, maybe you can cure kids and women that have been abused violently and sexually? Your words certainly dont do it, so I dont think there is much hope of seeing any miracles....NO HOPER AMERICAN GIT.

     

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