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How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester?

avishai	How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:40:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
Oregon Post 7726 of 8153 Since 7/25/2002	I mean, C'mon, people. Seriously, i admire those who want to think the best. But the guy had just about every red flag/indicator you can have. It's like those situations when someone close to you is abusive and you don't want to believe it. "Well, he's never hit me, he's just pushed me and twisted my arms behind my back" "She's not abusive, she just throws things at my head when I make her mad, some women are just like that." MJ wasn't an "aggressive" pedophile that I saw, he was more the grooming, manipulative type. Seriously
cameo-d	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:46:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
Post 3667 of 4774 Since 7/30/2008	eunichs do not have libido. People who have been castrated have no sexual desires. as Doe said, "a settlement is not proof of guilt" and is very common in court. Sometimes it's just the path of least resistence to get on with your life for whatever reasons.
BizzyBee	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:51:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
California Post 4054 of 4816 Since 1/9/2006	"a settlement is not proof of guilt" and an acquittal is not proof of innocence................(think OJ)
avishai	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:53:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
Oregon Post 7727 of 8153 Since 7/25/2002	Bullshit. And I'm not saying MJ is a eunuch, but in cases where sex offenders have been castrated, chemically or physically, it only lowers recidivism 40%, not 100%. Sexual abuse is about power and control, not sex or libido.
VoidEater	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:59:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
Post 2273 of 2512 Since 10/30/2007	I probably fit your criteria. I do not believe he was a child molester. My opinion is pretty irrelevent since I never met him, nor worked with anyone in his sphere.
leavingwt	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:03:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
Mississippi Post 2884 of 4851 Since 6/16/2008	Allow me to personalize the situation: Would I have allowed my kids to visit his home? Hell to the No! That's all I can say.
rebel8	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:06:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
New York Post 6635 of 7105 Since 1/13/2005	Can't say I'm one of those who DON'T think it. I understand the burden of proof has not been met and so the truth will never be known (by us). But.....having treated molesters, and having read what MJ did admit to, I think he was probably guilty.
mkr32208	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:14:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
Florida Post 3739 of 3936 Since 5/24/2004	One less pedo and today the world is a slightly better place...
shamus100	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:23:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
Post 2600 of 3768 Since 2/10/2008	I can't say he was, and I can't say he wasn't. I also can't say that any one of the silent lambs didn't get molested either. Do I think he molested boys? Sure, my personal opinion is he's a child molester.
doofdaddy	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:33:00 GMT (6/26/2009)
New South Wales Post 1143 of 1208 Since 5/18/2005	I work directly in this field and if you took away his fame and just looked at the facts.....
JeffT	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:56:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Washington Post 3286 of 3689 Since 6/4/2001	I've done some volunteer crisis counseling over the years, and God knows I've met enough victims at AA meetings. I don't know if he did it. I do not know that he did not do it. However, the man was FREAKING weird. Normal adult men do not sleep with children, if for no other reason than the possible accusations scare the $hit out of them. No child or grandchild of mine would have been allowed alone in a room with him.
shamus100	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:02:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Post 2605 of 3768 Since 2/10/2008	NO SHIT MAN! Oh, and I was never a counsellor or anything like that - I did need to identify people who exhibited signs of sexual abuse and report it, so nowhere near a social worker.
Lady Lee	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:05:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Ontario Post 13700 of 13985 Since 6/29/2001	I agree there are a lot of indicators that something happened but I haven't seen or heard the evidence. But I sure as hell would never have left my grandchildren with him.
crapola	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:09:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Oklahoma Post 443 of 628 Since 1/23/2008	I believe he was as guilty of child molesting as OJ was of murder. Just because it was'nt "proven" does'nt mean it did'nt happen. I think that's why so many young ones are afraid to admit it when something happens to them,, they feel they won't be believed.
FlyingHighNow	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:11:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Michigan Post 15650 of 16489 Since 9/27/2003	Social workers are notorious for being overly excitable and frequently wrong when trying to "protect" children. Some of them are sensible and use good judgment. Enough of them have religious or psychological problems of their own and end up ruining innocent people's lives. I have profound reasons for saying this. Employers, private or government, need to put social workers through much more rigorous testing and screening than they currently do. There is also a big need to weigh heavily the religious influence on the worker's judgment and decision making abilities.
ziddina	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:22:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Post 396 of 440 Since 4/8/2009	Good question, Avishai, really goood question. Personally, I agree with those who said that, even though he wasn't convicted in a court of law, they wouldn't have allowed him anywhere near their children/grandchildren. Better safe than sorry. He was weird; in my opinion a bad influence even if one took away the threat/possibility of child molestation. Unbalanced childhood in extremely dysfunctional family; inability to handle adult responsibilities even after reaching chronological adulthood... Zid
The Almighty Homer	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:39:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Post 98 of 763 Since 5/31/2009	I'd have to say I 'm on the side of those who say he was guilty of sexually playing around with young boys, for the following reasons. Firstly his first accusation where he settled out of court and got the accusing parties to hush up about the incident, he paid out 20 million $ US for this. I'm sorry I don't see how any one would not fight this accusation in court with all of his wealth to hire the best lawyers in the country and to save his reputation among his family and friends not to mention the general public, it just doesn't make sense or logic. Now the second accusation may have been trumped up by the people knowing that the first accusation paid off so well, but he paid out 20 million or so anyways just to fight the case which he was acquitted, thanks to an army of the best lawyers in the land. Its apparent when certain people get so rich and so unconstrained in their every day life they start to believe they can do anything they want to certainly above what would be considered normal social behavior to the majority of us. Micheal Jackson fit that bill well, it was said that he was a millionaire who spent money like a billionaire wildly out of control at times , much like a kid in a candy store with a no limit spending spree. My guess is when he started into this physical training program to get him prepared for his up coming concert series, he may have experienced some difficult pain and might have taken more than the usual amount of pain killers which may have brought on the cardiac arrest.
looloo	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:47:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Post 254 of 272 Since 11/7/2007	not certain really but if my life depended on which choice i made i would go with guilty , i know from experiance how manipulative and dishonest abusers can be . i also know from child protection trainig i recently did that it is very unlikley that a kid would make abuse up .
JustHuman14	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:52:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Post 162 of 271 Since 3/24/2009	I'm of those who can't say he was or he wasn't a molster. But for sure only time will show what really happened with MJ
purplesofa	Re: How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester? posted Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:58:00 GMT (6/27/2009)
Arkansas Post 9610 of 10693 Since 2/19/2005	good post FHN

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