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U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced !

    Rabbit U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:36:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


    United States Texas

    Post 2759 of 3303
    Since 1/8/2004

    Former teacher jailed for trying to abduct girl in Holywell

    A FORMER teacher, businessman and senior Jehovah’s Witness who tried to abduct a five-year-old was yesterday jailed for six years.

    Robert Edward Bill, 54, was told by a judge that he was still in denial about his predatory interest in young children despite a series of convictions.

    He has been found guilty at separate trials of the attempted abduction of the girl in Holywell two years ago, of indecently assaulting a seven-year-old 10 years ago, and of possessing 730 pornographic images of children.

    Prosecuting at Caernarfon Crown Court, Simon Medland described how the girl had been returning home from a playground when Bill, “for malign purposes”, drew up in his car and asked: “Have you seen a cat?”

    By chance the girl’s uncle arrived at the scene at that moment and her mother, who had been watching from a window, ran to her.

    Mr Medland said Bill of The Roe, St Asaph, Denbighshire, had been driving slowly around areas where he was likely to come into contact with children that same day. He’d claimed that he was trying to fix a mechanical problem with his car.

    A police inquiry had revealed the car had also been driven in an “odd manner” at Flint that day, stopping when children came into view.

    Mr Medland said that when Bill had a playground equipment company he had been warned off a Towyn holiday park by police after officials there became concerned about his conduct with children.

    The barrister said the indecent assault had occurred at St Asaph. Although the girl had recalled seeing a camera there was no evidence it had been used.

    David Potter, defending, pointed out the offences did not involve touching, grabbing or coercion.

    He said Bill had hoped to return to teaching, but this would now be impossible.

    Bill had also run two successful businesses in the past, but his last one had now been effectively wound up. He was a family man, a grandfather described as being devoted to his wife of 30 years.

    Since his arrest in June 2007, Mr Potter said Bill had had a torrid time. He accepted the need for his behaviour to be monitored in future and that his actions had brought fear and suspicion for his family and church, while the nightmare of his arrest would be a constant reminder that his life would never be the same.

    Judge Philip Hughes imposed a four-year sentence for attempted abduction, one-and-a-half years for indecent assault and six months for possessing the pornographic images most of which, he said, were of the lowest category.

    He said: “The nature of your offending demonstrates you have an unhealthy sexual and predatory interest in young children which, despite your convictions, you continue to deny.”

    Bill, who has been in custody for nearly 18 months, will have to register as a sex offender for 10 years and a Sexual Offences Prevention Order was made which limits any contact with children.

    Bill, in a neat grey suit and tie, had wept during part of the evidence. As he left the dock to begin his sentence, he embraced his son and kissed his wife as he passed behind where they sat awaiting their sentences.

    Jacqueline Bill, his 51-year-old wife, received a suspended six-month jail sentence after pleading guilty to trying to pervert the course of justice by destroying a laptop hard drive, and must do 250 hours unpaid work.

    Bill’s son David, 24, of Mount Road, St Asaph, must do 150 hours unpaid work after also admitting that he tried to pervert the course of justice.

    Judge Hughes told them: “I recognise that you were both in a misguided way trying to protect a husband and father.”

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/03/12/former-teacher-jailed-for-trying-to-abduct-girl-in-holywell-91466-23126095/

     

    avishai Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:10:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


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    Since 7/25/2002

    Only six years? And only registered for ten? Man, the UK's justice is even more screwed up than ours!

    quietlyleaving Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:02:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


    Turks and Caicos Islands

    Post 3069 of 4505
    Since 6/22/2007

    good that the judge noticed the denial going on.

     

    Tatiana Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:52:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


    United States Illinois

    Post 3778 of 3921
    Since 7/28/2001

    avishai  said: Only six years? And only registered for ten? Man, the UK's justice is even more screwed up than ours!

    I agree. They usually do not stop, so he will get out in plenty of time to hurt someone elses child.

    south african beef Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:21:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


    United Kingdom England, Essex

    Post 663 of 678
    Since 8/19/2005

    How many more cases like this before the average Joe Witness realises they have a big problem?

    Gill Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:06:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


    United Kingdom England, North Yorkshire

    Post 6147 of 6259
    Since 11/4/2004

    UK justice sold out to the Pervs and Perps a long time ago!

    Basically, you can commit any crime you want in the UK including mass rape, murder, assault etc and get away with a meaningless sentence.

    Only last week it was announced that burglars who have a drug problem will not go to jail.

     

    We are descending slowly and surely into anarchy which probably has some kind of sinsiter reason behind it all!

     

    This case has not received much interest in the national media, but I suppose they have become used to JWs being as bad as everyone else.

    fokyc Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:33:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


    United Kingdom England, Gloucestershire

    Post 848 of 2009
    Since 5/30/2006

     

    Does anyone know which congregation he was attached to?

    and what is a "senior Jehovah’s Witness" exactly?    Was he an MS or an Elder?

    I expect he will now move to North London and become attached to the branch office congregations!

    which is what happened to one of the others about a year ago.

    I see his wife and son were also implicated and sentenced, were they JW's?

    fokyc

    carla Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:49:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit




    Post 4681 of 6462
    Since 4/23/2005

    Can victims in the UK sue him in a civil suit for  pain & suffering? 

    LouBelle Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:48:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


    South Africa

    Post 3226 of 4450
    Since 5/19/2005

    At least it is something!  Let's be grateful the bastard got caught! It's in the news and people don't easily forget child preditors

    hamsterbait Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:10:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit




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    Since 7/7/2004

    Remember the Witchtower states that "in the last hundred years ony eleven (?!) elders have been sued for chold molestation."

    It was quoted in another thread from the Official Website.

    This is one of the several thousands of others who have been charged by the police tried in a court of law and found GUILTY.

    The above quote shows how they will lie by misuse of langauge.

    HB

    flipper Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:25:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


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    Since 3/7/2007

     

     

       I'm glad this a$$wipe pedophile was given a sentence, although not long enough. But once again, herein lies a problem in the witness cult . We see that his family tried preventing his exposure by the wife destroying the hard drive with evidence, and his own adult children misguidingly protecting him. So in all the JW congregations with pedophiles ; it shows that these days not only do we have to worry about elders hiding child abuse by not reporting, but family members who are told wrongly by elders to protect the alleged " reputation " of the WT society ! I think this whole organization should just implode from within within the next 20 years or so. I hope a high profile member of the governing body gets huge media coverage for being caught as a pedophile so more witnesses will hear the real truth of what's going on. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    rebel8 Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:23:00 GMT (3/14/2009) edit


    United States New York

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    Since 1/13/2005

    So he's a teacher, playground designer, AND "senior" jw?  A pedophile paradise--total access to kids. 

    http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2007/10/06/accused-of-call-on-evidence-55578-19905002/

    "Robert Edward Bill, 53, a playground designer, of The Roe, is accused of perverting the course of justice...Bill is alleged to have made a phone call with a view to removing evidence."

    He was allegedly found to have over 700 indecent images of children on his computers, then allegedly had family members destroy evidence.

    http://www.sentryparentalcontrols.co.uk/news/robert-edward-bill-found-with-730-child-porn-pics-on-computers.aspx

    How wonderful that Jehovah keeps the congregation clean before harm can be done to victims.

    Remember the Witchtower states that "in the last hundred years ony eleven (?!) elders have been sued for chold molestation."

    FIXED:  "in the last hundred years ony eleven elders have been sued for child molestation.  The other 999,999 were deleted as elders before the lawsuits were filed."

    Rabbit Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:31:00 GMT (3/15/2009) edit


    United States Texas

    Post 2760 of 3303
    Since 1/8/2004

    AND "senior" jw?

     

    I was wondering about that myself...elder rank or above ? Jah sure annoints some real losers, doesn't HE ? Any of you UK peeps know what 'rank' he was ?

    Sad emo Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:38:00 GMT (3/15/2009) edit


    Palestinian Territory

    Post 6860 of 7429
    Since 6/18/2005

    6 years.

    For the benefit of our non -uk friends.

    Probably serve only 3 years if he shows good behaviour.  standard practice for all but the most dangerous offenders.  And he'll be a 'section 43' prisoner - kept apart from the main prison population for his own safety - they don't like paedophiles very much!

    of those 3 years, he's already served 18 months.

    so he'll be back on the streets in around 18 months time

    .... If they run the sentences concurrently though, he could be already back on the loose - frightening innit?!

     

    dozy Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:20:00 GMT (3/16/2009) edit


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    Information is a bit sketchy about this loathsome man. He has been a JW for 26 years ( according to his friends reunited profile) but not showing on the list of current elders , so if he was an elder , he was presumably deleted some time ago. The first case collapsed after the jury failed to reach a verdict.

    http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2008/10/22/north-wales-man-indecently-assaulted-girl-aged-7-on-bed-55578-22088296/

    The JW link isn't mentioned in other reports - anecdotally ,  I think that JWs are advised not to mention nowadays their specific religion , but rather that a member of "their church" abused them , so stopping "Jehovah's name being brought into reproach."

     

    dozy Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:29:00 GMT (3/16/2009) edit


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    Since 2/18/2006

    Does anybody recognise him from that part of the world......?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/north_east/7938024.stm

    dozy Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:57:00 GMT (3/16/2009) edit


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    Quite an active debate going on here , including a poster called Kizzie from North Wales who claims to know the man.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TSV3QBBEBH1EJOBLF

    rebel8 Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:53:00 GMT (3/16/2009) edit


    United States New York

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    Since 1/13/2005

    TY dozy.  Quote from that forum:

    Only thing this proves....just like Judas...Christians can fall into wrong conduct, sometimes, same as anyone. Whose fault is it? His own...giving into wrong, unhealthy desires.

    Nope, wrong! 

    Judas was supposedly a good person who made some major mistakes.  Didn't Jesus forgive him afterwards?  Which would have to mean that he was repentant and had a good heart.

    Pedophiles:

    1. Were never good people to begin with (sociopaths cannot be 'good people')
    2. Are not repentant (if they say they are, they're lying.  Sociopaths aren't capable of repentance, only disappointment at being caught.)
    3. Do not have a good heart (they have nothing but evil up in there)
    recovering Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:10:00 GMT (3/16/2009) edit




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    Since 5/22/2008
    ReniaaIS AT IT AGAIN, SHE DEFENDS THE WITNESSES EVEN WHEN IT COMES TO CHILD ABUSE AND PEDOPHILIA
    Reniaa wrote:
    We don't need to defend against exageration and assumption, I was a Jw kid I knew of only one Jw pedophile the whole time I was growing up and he was caught on his first victim imprisoned and df'd.
    whereas i did know 5 non-witness pedophiles of which only two got imprisoned the others were hushed up by family members and guilty mothers since two of them were 'stepfathers' brought into the home by a gullable single mums.
    the world is a sick place but what I find even more sickening is the use people make of this to their own anti-witness ends I only hope the readers are not foolish enough to believe you only find pedophiles in Jw congregations as you would have them believe and so be to trusting of other churches or orgs which have equal amounts of preditors to keep your children safe from.
    Your blinkers blind you to the damage you do by not seeing this as a world-wide problem for safe-guards to be taken in all aspects of our lifes when we have kids.
    I was talking to a woman today in my childs swiming class she had what I thought was her 3 year old son with her we were just chatting I said the usual 'he looks like you' and she said 'Oh no i'm fostering and hopefully adopting soon' then she sigh sadly and says quietly ' he was a victim of his father sexually. they had to get him away the mother didn't stop the dad'. the little boy is tiny I was horrified and this was not a witness setting at all
    Kizzie Re: U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced ! posted Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:32:00 GMT (3/16/2009) edit




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    Since 3/16/2009

    He attended the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in Denbigh and held weekly bible studies at his home in St Asaph.

    He did regular ministerial work, (in his quest to befriend families with little girls)

    We first met him when he and other witnesses were doing thier field work/ministry in our area, calling from door to door.

    We honestly thought he was a decent fellow and over the months of bible studies he charmed his way into our lives (as he had done with many other families with young children) and befriended us.

    We trusted his family, wife , four sons, brother etc... and never realised he had other, sinister,  intentions towards our children.

    We now consider ourselves and our children very lucky that we declined his frequent offers to take our two little girls to play at his 'retreat'.

    It transpired that all along that a large number of the congregation, elders included, actually knew all along that he was a paedophile and molesting young girls , but they managed to keep it secret until Bob became more and more careless with his crimes and was arrested for the attemped abduction of a 5 year old girl.

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