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More scandals...J.W. Satanic Ritual Abuse discussed on the call Sat. Nov. 8

    M kool aid man06 posted Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:39:00 GMT(11/7/2008)

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    Our special guest on the conference call Sat. Nov. 8 at 7 p.m. EST. will be former Jehovah's Witness Heidi King, our correspondent in London England. She will be filling us in on the J.W. activities in the U.K. Heidi also will be discussing the Watchtower's secret involvement with Satanic Ritual Abuse. Don't miss this ! Also joining us will be Barbara Anderson, former "in the know" Bethelite. She will be sharing with us shocking new uncovered scandals that are coming out of the "dark closets of the Watchtower"! She will relate recently discovered Historical information concerning Charles Taze Russell that will "raise your eyebrows"! All those who are trying to "connect the dots" on what the Watchtower is hiding behind are invited to come on the call. The phone lines open at 6:30 p.m. so come in and chat with people who have been "touched by the tentacles" of the Watchtower organization. The program starts at 7 p.m and is conducted like a radio talk show. There is no charge for the call, just your normal calling rate applies. To join us on the call dial (712)432-8710 and when asked for pin use 9925.

    M ellderwho posted Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:10:00 GMT(11/7/2008)

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    Your the man "kool aid man" sorry I missed you at the convention, and Barb Anderson as well. Ive missed the last two years. BTW hows Manny, hopefully on his way out. I'll aways remember our deep discussion regarding the little "g" God of Jn 1:1

    Take care

    ellderwho

    F mary stewart posted Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:30:00 GMT(11/8/2008)

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    hope there's a transcript. but where do i call in?

    M kool aid man06 posted Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:38:00 GMT(11/8/2008)

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    Mary the information you need to get on the call is here. http://sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/conferencecall.html

    M kool aid man06 posted Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:41:00 GMT(11/8/2008)

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    To listen to past recorded conference calls click this link.www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com

    iloowy posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:19:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    Hey Rick.

    Is this the same Ravyn Giuliani that calls herself a witch?

    The story on your last conference about SRA is quite hard
    to believe... little in the way of credible and clear proof
    other than "Ravyn's" testimony is offered in support of her
    story. But I was able to find this post by "Ravyn Giuliani"
    at:
    http://groups.msn.com/TheNoblePath/members.msnw?action=view_list&viewtype=1&sortstring=2d
    Has she left the witchcraft behind? Is she now considering
    herself a Christian? In the conference she calls herself a
    Roman Catholic, yet she can't discuss the Trinity or the
    belief in the immortality of the soul with assurance as a
    Catholic would. She seems to put it simply "quite confused".

    But if she is still consorting with spirits and delving into
    witchcraft to put her on your show is to be fellowshipping
    with occultists which is exactly what you're accusing the
    WT of, yet here you are promoting a discussion with Ravyn.

    Also wasn't there an offer for her to take some sort of lie detector test? Implicating some of the GB members in this type of worship sounds libelous.

    Anyway, don't scurry away, whatever you do, and please let the
    JWD community whatever comes of this story, please.

    Here below is the post she made sometime back identifying
    herself as a 'witch'.
    What gives?
    --ILOOWY

    Ravyn Giuliani Virginia, USA

    "I am a 41 yr old witch, married to a Scots/Italian who has always been drawn to Druidry, albeit a cradle-Catholic. I just recently found out my heritage is Breton, altho I have always suspected. My husband can trace both his more modern roots to Normandy. We would both like to learn of the old religion of Gaul. I know very little French, but I can read better than I can speak. He lived in Germany as a teen ager. We would both like to retire back to Europe in about 10-15 yrs. I am disabled with Lupus and narcolepsy, but I am a writer and am working on that elusive Best Seller that will make us rich... The surname in my ancestry that finally confirmed my suspicions of Breton heritage was translated in the US to "Treewax", the breton spelling was: "Triouac'h" and while I have found the word in one ancient poem, I can't find the meaning of it in any online Breton-English dictionary. Another word that has plagued my dreams for years is: "roath d voris"--I have a feeling this is a combination word and it may be part Latin. If anyone can help with either of these words--please do! I hope to learn alot here. I have a passion to find my gods and goddesses that colors my whole life."

    LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com

    http://www.geocities.com/ladylvsnyt/bookofreflections.html

    6/27/2003

    iloowy posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:46:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    bttt

    AndersonsInfo posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 06:06:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    Ravyn told listeners twice during the Six Screens conference call that she became Catholic in 2002, yet in 2003 she wrote that she was a witch. I wonder if Ravyn has an explanation for this inconsistency? Maybe Rick can ask her to explain.

    F cognizant dissident posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:27:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    I too find it difficult to believe that any witnesses were ever involved in Satanic Ritual Abuse. Every witness I've ever known (in for 40 yrs) was absolutely terrified of anything to do with demons or Satan. I hope this person actually provides some hard evidence to back up such claims.

    iloowy posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:12:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    Roman Catholics accept Jesus as explained in by the Roman Catholic Church, but Ravyn is still trying to figure out her belief in Jesus and the immortality of the soul. If she just went to the priest not long ago like she said she could have set herself right on Church teachings.
    So if she is still considering herself a "witch" albeit a "Roman Catholic leaning witch" what is she doing on a Conference Call Christian program?
    I just find too many things hard to believe about the story.

    --ILOOWY

    Berean posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:39:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    As much as I hate the WT leaders and the cult as a whole I really find it hard to believe that satanic rituals were done or condoned by anyone.

    F Kudra posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:41:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    Satanic Ritual Abuse??

    That seems very far fetched and will certainly confirm to any lurking current JWs their ideas that apostates are nuts and lie about the Org.

    There is abuse (the same amount in any other sexually-repressed insular group) but the problem is the policy of handling the abuse when (if) it comes to the attention of the leaders. "Ritual Satanic Sexual Abuse"? I seriously doubt it.

    Stuff like this sort of bums me out because it will drive many questioning Witnesses back into the organization.

    -Kudra

    M Dogpatch posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:15:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    see my explanation at: http://www.freeminds.org/history/onSatanism.htm

    Randy

    bugger boy

    what you think?

    M inkling posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:38:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    see my explanation at: http://www.freeminds.org/history/onSatanism.htm

    Randy

    Thank goodness for critical thinking like yours!

    minimus posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:39:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    Which Catholic was a Catholic witch? Which witch?

    M Homerovah the Almighty posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:49:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    This is just imaginary vindictive sensationalism and nothing else,

    Hitting the Watchtower Society over the head with a wet noodle isn't going to do anything accept make your self look foolish in trying

    M inkling posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:29:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    ...The story on your last conference about SRA is quite hard
    to believe... little in the way of credible and clear proof
    other than "Ravyn's" testimony is offered in support of her
    story. But I was able to find this post by "Ravyn Giuliani"...

    We should keep in mind that "Ravyn" is the same poster that is the original and as of yet onlysource of the sensational and unsubstantiated story of the suicide of "Jason R" after allegedly
    being molested by Ted Jaracz.

    [inkling]

    M inkling posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:32:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    she became Catholic in 2002, yet in 2003 she wrote that she was a witch. I wonder if Ravyn has an explanation for this inconsistency?

    A confusing and convoluted theology?

    In her own words (from her profile):

    ...currently my husband and I both follow a pagan path and attend a Roman Catholic Church if we need a Xtian-fix. (hey! sometimes I like the 'smells and bells'! I don't care if it is Jesus or Mithra--besides Catholics are like 'pagan' anyway right? :: wink wink ::)
    M inkling posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:41:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    unsubstantiated story of the suicide of "Jason R" after allegedly
    being molested by Ted Jaracz.

    EDIT: I confused two stories. The accused in her story was Dan Sydlik.

    Nathan Natas posted Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:34:00 GMT(11/28/2008)

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    I am an atheist. I believe that there is no "spirit realm" populated by any sort of entity, and that includes Satan.

    Yet, individuals can rent goofy costumes and present themselves as parodies of the theological concept of Satan. For example, the comedian Jon Lovitz from the TV show "Saturday Night Live"

    But I doubt anyone would argue that Mssr. Lovitz is making a "legitimate" attempt at pleasing the Prince of Darkness.

    In a similar way, a wicked pervert can obtain robes and the accoutrements of Satanic worship, and he or she can go through the motions of a Satanic ritual, even abusing, mutilating or murdering an innocent victim in the process. Aleister Crowley comes to mind. While many of the participants in his rituals were consenting, it is possible that a few might not have been.

    These so-called "Satanic rituals" do not rely on the actual existence of Satan in order to be carried out.

    What I find very interesting is that in most cases where Satanic Ritual Abuse is aleged, no physical evidence of the ritual can be found. In the case of the McMartin Pre-school in California that Randy discusses on his link above, not a shred of physical evidence could be found. (see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial)

    I am NOT suggesting that claims of sexual abuse are always false. Certainly there have been numerous cases of pedophilia that have been substantiated by forensic evidence and by the confessions of the guilty parties. There have been and could still be pedophiles operating within the walls of Bethel and Kingdom Halls around the world. This is a terrible despicable evil perpetrated by mortal humans and does not require (or prove) the involvement of any imaginary invisible entities.

    It is unfortunate when someone with an agenda to promote "amps up" these stories to generate more publicity for themselves. In such cases the real victims are victimized anew and their healing is not advanced; they are turned into a sideshow.

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