Service Meeting week of August 28, 2005

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    TheListener posted Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:40:00 GMT(8/29/2005)

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    Song 45

    10 min: Local announcements. Remind publishers to turn in field service reports for August. Using the suggestions on page 8 (if appropriate for your territory), demonstrate how to present the September 1 Watchtower and the September 8 Awake! In one of the presentations, demonstrate making a return visit on a magazine-route call.

    18 min: "A Witness Without Words."* Invite selected publishers to comment on how observing the fine conduct of God's people helped them become servants of Jehovah.

    20 min: Feature the bible on Initial Calls. Talk and audience discussion. Review suggestions in the September 2004 Our Kingdom Ministry, page 4, paragraph 2, for directing attention to God's Word on initial calls. Demonstrate how one or two of the suggested presentations could be used with the literature offer for September. Suggestions in the January 2005 Our Kingdom Ministry insert for presenting the offer may also be discussed and demonstrated as time permits.

    Song 71 and concluding prayer.

    *Limit introductory comments to less than a minute, and follow iwth a question-and-answer discussion.

    M Honesty posted Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:47:00 GMT(8/29/2005)

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    20 min: Feature the bible on Initial Calls. Talk and audience discussion. Review suggestions in the September 2004 Our Kingdom Ministry, page 4, paragraph 2, for directing attention to God's Word on initial calls.

    too bad they forget about featuring/directing attention to the bible after the trap has been set.

    defd posted Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:57:00 GMT(8/29/2005)

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    Do not be so negative, It is not a trap. AT LEAST we are using the bible at the door, thats good, isn't it?

    TheListener posted Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:13:00 GMT(8/29/2005)

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    To defd. Yes, it's good. It's just too bad that every month there are parts on featuring the WT/AW and the various publications but this is the first talk in some time to deal with using the bible in the ministry (as the main focus). Apparently the last article printed on it was the September 2004 KM.

    Come on Defd if you're a true lover of the bible you have to admit that on some level you wish we would focus more on the bible during the meetings. Not just making practical application (i.e. meetings, service, prayer, study) but really researching the bible and understanding its perspective and the men who wrote it. Digging deep into the scriptures, not just to understand and explain prophecies, but to really understand how the first century christians acted, what they thought, who they were (the same for the OT).

    M lawrence posted Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:23:00 GMT(8/29/2005)

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    Defd-

    For a sales meeting, this is truly shoddy. Defd - how do you sit through these meetings without thinking about threads on this board? What a privilege to have a part in the "sales meeting".... Yeah, a real big deal. I guess this is an opportunity for many of the JWs on tranqs and hard medicine to relax and soak up "the faith" - SALES!

    F vitty posted Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:23:00 GMT(8/29/2005)

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    Its just so mind numbiningly ( is there such a word )? boring. How I sat through that for 20 years, unbelievable !

    carla posted Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:28:00 GMT(8/29/2005)

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    defd,

    Then why is there about 3000 pages of WT literature reading required per year versus only about 200 pages of actual Bible reading per year for the average jw? Why not admit that the only real reading of the Bible for jw's is to look at what the wt has written, "see, we use that scripture, there it is in the Bible" never mind the context. Why are jw's not allowed to read the Bible without the wt literature? Why do they blatantly tell the rank & file that if you read only the Bible without the aid of the wt's you will fall into spiritual darkness? That you will start believing what Christendom has been teaching for hundreds of years? Could it be because that's actually what the Bible teaches? Why not tell people at the door some honest things about the wt and it's beliefs? Why not knock on a door and lay out the doctrine as it really is?

    "Hello I'm a jw (which they never admit unless you point blank ask) here's what we would like you to believe along with us, Jesus isn't really Jesus he's Michael the angel, Jesus invisibly returned in 1874/1914 and chose Russell who was teaching falsehoods as His sole channel to the world, Yes, we have made many prophecies which did not come true, however, we really aren't false prophets cause we admit our mistakes, yes it's true that the Bible doesn't say it's ok to teach false things about God but we figure if we say they are just mistakes rather than false prophecies we are ok with God about that. Also, if you join us we will control everything you do from now on, from what movies you can see to how you make love to your spouse. While it's true that is totally unbiblical we know that you are not capable of making any right or moral decisions for yourself. And hey, life is so much easier when you don't have to think for yourself! Don't forget we like meetings! and lot's of em! To start with you will need some one on one time so figure one night a week for that, then there are Tues, Thurs, Sat, and Sundays. If you family doesn't join with you, they really can't complain. After all we allow you about two night a week with your family. So what do you say? How about that free wt study?

    carla

    F Ingenuous posted Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:39:00 GMT(8/29/2005)

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    20 min: Feature the bible on Initial Calls. Talk and audience discussion. Review suggestions in the September 2004 Our Kingdom Ministry, page 4, paragraph 2, for directing attention to God's Word on initial calls. Demonstrate how one or two of the suggested presentations could be used with the literature offer for September. Suggestions in the January 2005 Our Kingdom Ministry insert for presenting the offer may also be discussed and demonstrated as time permits.

    So the ultimate aim isn't to end with their attention on the Bible, but with their attention on the "literature offer."

    No wonder they publish "Questions from Readers" from publishers confused as to whether a study using only the Bible can be counted as a "real" study!

    M Gordy posted Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:17:00 GMT(8/29/2005)

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    Song 45

    10 min: Local announcements. Remind publishers to turn in field service reports for August. Using the suggestions on page 8 (if appropriate for your territory), demonstrate how to present the September 1 Watchtower and the September 8 Awake! In one of the presentations, demonstrate making a return visit on a magazine-route call.

    18 min: "A Witness Without Words."* Invite selected publishers to comment on how observing the fine conduct of God's people helped them become servants of Jehovah.

    20 min: Feature the bible on Initial Calls. Talk and audience discussion. Review suggestions in the September 2004 Our Kingdom Ministry, page 4, paragraph 2, for directing attention to God's Word on initial calls. Demonstrate how one or two of the suggested presentations could be used with the literature offer for September. Suggestions in the January 2005 Our Kingdom Ministry insert for presenting the offer may also be discussed and demonstrated as time permits.

    Song 71 and concluding prayer.

    Interesting also that the first item is how to present the magazines. One of which is to a return visit.

    Then we get featuring the Bible on initial calls , either its magazines or Bible.

    You can bet most JW's will go for just presenting the magazines.

    I wonder how they got on with the second item "Witness without words"

    They would have a hard job in my old congregation finding anyone, who became a JW after seeing their conduct.

    M Faraon posted Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:46:00 GMT(8/30/2005)

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    18 min: "A Witness Without Words."* ; Invite selected publishers to comment on how observing the fine conduct of God's people helped them become servants of Jehovah.

    I wonder if they will be counting time as witnessing if they they pretend to have good conduct in front of others.

    M Wasanelder Once posted Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:36:00 GMT(8/30/2005)

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    Song 45 A Prayer of Misgiving

    10 min: Local announcements. Demand publishers turn in field service reports for August. Using the suggestions on page 8 (if inappropriate for your territory), demonstrate how to prevent the September 1 Watchtower and the September 8 Awake! In one of the presentations, demonstrate making a return visit on a magazine-route call, (remember, it’s not a person, it’s a “magazine-route call.”)

    18 min: "A Witness Without Intelligible Words."* Invite selected publishers to comment on how our relentless self-praise about observing the fine conduct of God's people helped them become servants of Jehovah.

    20 min: Never Feature the Bible on Initial Calls. Endless Talk resulting in audience depression. Review suggestions in the September 2004 Our Kingdom Ministry, page 4, paragraph 2, syllable 3, line 2a for directing attention away from God's Word on initial calls. Demonstrate how one or two of the suggested presentations could be used with the old book we’re tying to get rid of by making it the offer for September. Suggestions in the January 2005 Our Kingdom Ministry insert for presenting the offer may also be disgusting and deranged as time permits.

    Song 71 Drop Fast the Good News! and concluding prayer.

    *Limit introductory comments to less than a month, and follow with a question-and-answer farce.

    M tijkmo posted Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:36:00 GMT(8/30/2005)

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    *Limit introductory comments to less than a minute,

    did this ever happen in your hall?

    M thom posted Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:21:00 GMT(8/30/2005)

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    ---"*Limit introductory comments to less than a minute,
    did this ever happen in your hall?"---

    We had a PO that would ALWAYS tell me that he needed extra time for his service meeting part and I should make mine as short as possible. Happened everytime we both had parts on the same meeting. He would just drone on and on about his time at Bethel and preaching in Bulgaria.
    I finally just started using all my time and he usually got mad. Too bad.
    He'd also require that whoever had announcements call him before the meeting to ask if he had anything to add. Sometimes I couldn't catch him home and he had no voice mail, then when he'd get to the meeting he'd very sarcastically let me know that I didn't call him.
    I don't miss that one bit.

    M HappyDad posted Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:36:00 GMT(8/30/2005)

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    Defd,

    Do not be so negative, It is not a trap. AT LEAST we are using the bible at the door, thats good, isn't it?

    But at the door is one of the FEW times the bible is used. I always look at it as the typical bait and switch type of scam. I know..........the word scam might be harsh because a JW at the door is sincere in what they believe just as I was. Once the person is interested, more emphasis is placed on "WT doctrine" and "WT rules" (beliefs unique to JW's) than the bible itself.

    Some years back, certain meat packing companies would advertise a very low price per pound if you bought an entire side of beef for the freezer. Only problem was, when you went there to buy it, they showed you this very low quality product that one would never want to buy. Then they showed you the "better" stuff that was priced as high if not higher than most super markets. Many who "bought" realized sometime later that they were fooled, and they became angry........never to be taken advantage of again.

    The WT Society does the same sort of thing. Once you take interest in the initial ad and "bite", then you are slowly given other information and "sold" something entirely different. The bible is slowly taken out of the picture except for selected scriptures. Many who "bought" realized sometime later that they were fooled, and they became angry........never to be taken advantage of again.

    HD

    F MidwichCuckoo posted Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:32:00 GMT(8/30/2005)

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    AT LEAST we are using the bible at the door, thats good, isn't it?

    Absolutely marvellous. THEN if anyone requests a Bible Study, the Bible is discarded and a WTBTS book is 'studied' occassionally using the Bible as support, where appropriate.

    M Honesty posted Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:32:00 GMT(8/30/2005)

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    Do not be so negative, It is not a trap. AT LEAST we are using the bible at the door, thats good, isn't it?

    I'm sorry if i sounded so negative, defd. It's true they are using the bible at the door when they aren't featuring the literature. However, I have too agree emphatically with the other posters here that the bible takes a rear seat to the literature.

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