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NEW LIGHT in latest Watchtower!!!

    The Searcher posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:03:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    Literally hundreds and hundreds of quotations like the one below have been made, to "prove" that only the heavenly -hopers are "sons of God". (type in 'spiritual sons of God' in CD ROM)

    "Jehovah forgives the error of the other sheep on the basis of Jesus’ shed “blood of the covenant.” (Matthew 26:28; 1 John 1:9; 2:2) God does not adopt them as spiritual sons, as he does the 144,000." ( w98 2/1 p. 20 par. 6)

    It's nice to see in the PUBLIC edition of the July 1st 2012 Watchtower, on page 22, (in the margin & the last paragraph - repetition for emphasis!!) that we are all children of God!!! ("We can show that we look to Jehovah as our Father and that we view it as an honor to be his children.")

    That makes a nice New Light for us!! (Big- time U-turn or contradiction, whichever way you look at it!!)

    F blondie posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:52:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    Know it is a careful deception by the WTS for non-jws. Yes, non-jws are potential children of God if they become jws and survive Armageddon and through the 1,000 year reign and successfully pass the final test by Satan. Likewise, jws have to go the same route before they are adopted as sons.

    *** w10 1/15 pp. 5-6 pars. 10-13 Why Dedicate Yourself to Jehovah? ***

    Remember, because of Adam’s sin, we are all born outside God’s family. (Rom. 3:23; 5:12) Dedicating ourselves to God is a vital requirement for being accepted into his universal family. Let us see why.

    11 None of us have a natural father who could pass on to us life as it should be—perfect life. (1 Tim. 6:19) We were not born as sons of God because when the first human pair sinned, the human race was separated from its loving Father and Creator. (Compare Deuteronomy 32:5.) From that time onward, the world of mankind has lived outside Jehovah’s universal family, alienated from God.

    12 Nevertheless, as individuals we can request that God accept us into his family of approved servants. How is that possible for sinners such as we are? The apostle Paul wrote: “When we were enemies, we became reconciled to God through the death of his Son.” (Rom. 5:10) At baptism we make a request to God for a good conscience so as to be acceptable to him. (1 Pet. 3:21) Prior to baptism, however, there are steps we must take. We must get to know God, learn to trust him, repent, and change our ways. (John 17:3; Acts 3:19; Heb. 11:6) And something else remains to be done before we can be accepted into God’s family. What is that?

    13 Before someone who is alienated from God can become a member of God’s family of approved servants, he first needs to make a solemn promise to Jehovah. To understand why, imagine a respectable father who shows kind interest in an orphaned youth and wishes to adopt him as a member of his own family. The father is known to be a good man. Still, before accepting the youth as his son, the man wants the boy to make a promise. So the man says, “Before I accept you as a son, I need to know that you will love and respect me as your father.” Only if the youth is willing to make a solemn promise will the man admit him into his family. Is that not reasonable? Similarly, Jehovah accepts into his family only those who are willing to make a vow of dedication to him. The Bible says: “Offer your very selves to him: a living sacrifice, dedicated and fit for his acceptance.”—Rom. 12:1, The New English Bible.

    *** w10 1/15 p. 5 Why Dedicate Yourself to Jehovah? ***

    Jesus’ “other sheep” will not become sons of God until the end of the thousand years. However, since they have dedicated themselves to God, they can properly address God as “Father” and can rightly be considered members of Jehovah’s family of worshippers.—John 10:16; Isa. 64:8; Matt. 6:9; Rev. 20:5.

    *** w08 3/1 p. 9 Becoming One of God’s Children ***

    Children of God on Earth

    Jehovah is also gathering “the things on the earth,” that is, millions of people earth wide, in order that they can eventually become his earthly children. As a kind Father, he teaches them his ways of love so that, although they are from many nations, they are harmoniously united. Even people who are violent, selfish, immoral, and disobedient to God are being invited to “become reconciled to God.”—2 Corinthians 5:20.

    What about those who reject God’s invitation to become reconciled to him as his children? To ensure peace and harmony in his family, Jehovah will take firm measures to deal with such ones. There will be a “day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.” (2 Peter 3:7) God will cleanse the earth of rebellious ones. What relief that will bring to those who obey!—Psalm 37:10, 11.

    A thousand years of peace will follow, during which all who respond to God’s love will be progressively restored to the perfection of life that Adam lost. Even the dead will be raised. (John 5:28, 29; Revelation 20:6; 21:3, 4) Thus God will fulfill his promise: “The [human] creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God.”—Romans 8:21.

    M Black Sheep posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:56:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    WT July 15, 2012, Simpleton edition

    God’s children: All who are part
    of God’s family. The anointed have
    already been gathered into this
    family, so they are now children of
    God
    . At the end of the thousand
    years
    , all people on earth will also
    be God’s children

    Note; will .... not are

    Listener posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:07:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    That is probably a contradiction and thanks for bringing it to our attention.

    There is a Watchtower Article 3/1/09 that discusses more in depth about God's children. This is some of it

    "...The way Jehovah arranges his children in two groups actually contributes to the harmony of his family...The first group, 'the things in heavens' consists of the children of God who Jehovah selects to form a government....Jehovah is also gathering 'the things on the earth' that is, millions of people earth wide, in order that they can eventually become his earthly children...

    Basically, they say that the 144,000 are now children of God and the other sheep will become children of God when perfected at the end of 1,000 years.

    I think the current article is a contradiction as I doubt they would put that in the public magazine rather than the study one. It's because of this inconsistancy that many JWs do not know that Jesus is not their mediator, or his children.

    It is very poor writing, poor research, poor understanding and poor follow-up checking.

    F blondie posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:07:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    Yes, black sheep, not until the end of the 1,000 year reign and they have successfull passed the "final test" of Satan.

    *** w10 1/15 p. 5 Why Dedicate Yourself to Jehovah? ***

    Jesus’ “other sheep” will not become sons of God until the end of the thousand years. However, since they have dedicated themselves to God, they can properly address God as “Father” and can rightly be considered members of Jehovah’s family of worshippers.—John 10:16; Isa. 64:8; Matt. 6:9; Rev. 20:5.

    M sacolton posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:24:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    So until then no anointed JW should ever open their prayer to "Heavenly Father"?

    The Searcher posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:50:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    For everyone;

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    The Searcher posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:51:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    For everyone - :)

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    Corinthians4:7) - For who makes you to differ from another?

    Room 215 posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:10:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    I say we flatter these idiots when we scrutinize so carefully what they say....

    panhandlegirl posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:18:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    The first time I read that the WTS believed that only the 144,000 had Jesus as their mediator was in the early 80s. I saved the wt copy but don't know where it is. That is what made me think they were liers. I believe that I read in

    CoC, that Franz said many brothers were disturbed over this claim. Does anyone else remember that issue?

    F AnnOMaly posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:25:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    Saying that we are God's children, can appropriately call Him 'Father,' without being adopted is like saying the meek can 'inherit' the earth without being 'heirs.'

    erbie posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:26:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    Children of God but not sons of God. I think you'll find that they differentiate between the two and see no contradiction in their statement that we are all 'children of God' but not 'sons of God' who as heirs would, naturally, inherit the kingdom.

    Don't worry, they have it all sewn up watertight and anything they write is extremely well calculated.

    Chariklo posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:32:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    You do know that this is all utter rubbish?

    For those who don't any longer believe in a God or Jesus, they know it is rubbish anyway.

    For everyone else calling themselves Christians, honestly, the New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus died to save everyone. Everyone is a child of God.

    This whole business of the anointed and the 144,000 is baloney. The other sheep are those who are not Jews. And the bits of the NT that JW's say are not addressed to ordinary people...that's a lie. It's for everyone.

    I don't want to offend anyone and I haven't got more than a minute here right now, but maybe someone else can fill in the references.

    All of that said, the "New Light" in this month's public WT mentioned above is very interesting, and and the difference in meaning in the easy-read version is also interesting. However, I think that someone made a mistake when that WT was finalised and published, and that there will be some knuckle-rapping perhaps already under way.

    The Searcher posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:34:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    Sorry to dig up old chestnuts, but I came across this paragraph which blatantly contradicts the false and odious teaching that our own death wipes out our sins. (Romans 6:7) (welcome back Adolf, Stalin, Ida Amin etc.)

    w7410/1p.607QuestionsFromReaders A consideration of the context shows that the apostle Paul was discussing spirit-anointed Christians alive at that time. While still alive, they had been baptized into Christ Jesus and received the valid prospect of heavenly life. In order to be anointed with holy spirit and accepted as spiritual sons of God, they had to die to their former course in life as imperfect humans, have their sins forgiven by God and have human perfection imputed to them.

    Wow!!!! They're already perfect are they?????

    If any brothers or sisters are reading this website for the first time, don't think for a minute that it is a nest of apostates and disfellowshipped ones. There are many like me who are 'sighing & groaning' and are trying to share Bible truths which contradict men's teachings.

    Just read your Bible and compare what you're expected to believe, and be prepared for some shocks. I no longer read the questions posed in the literature - I just read the articles and scrutinize what's been written, not what I'm being directed to think or answer. You'll be amazed at what, and how much you'll learn by doing that.

    The cleansing and the end will come when it is time. (1 Pet. 4:17 & Rev. 2 & 3) Just ignore the word "soon" which has been flogged to death for so long.

    The timing of the Great Tribulation and Armageddon is none of our business!!! (Acts 1:7) Keep awake for the sake of your spirituality - not for a Divinely appointed event.

    erbie posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:35:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    Also I agrre with Room 215: WE do flatter them when we study what they write.

    As the saying goes; I won't dignify that stupid question with a sensible answer.

    Even to question their writings is to lend it credence.

    But still we do it because we are all human ;)

    criticalwitness posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:44:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    its amazing that so many wtnss dont look into this but just take their word for it just as in a literal inheritance you wouldnt just take some ones word in regards what you are legaly entitled to you would investigate! especialy if those over you have something to gain by pushing you out of the way i have seen literal famlies try to cut other family members out of a will just so they can get more

    The Searcher posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:49:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    @ erbie

    Thank you for saying "not 'sons of God' who as heirs would, naturally, inherit the kingdom".

    The term "heir" refers to " apersonwho inherits".

    Has anybody here read what Jesus said on the Sermon on the Mount - "The meek will inherit the earth". (Matthew 5:5)

    Doesn't that make allChristians heirs? Just asking!!!

    Chariklo posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:54:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    Yes, that's my point, Searcher!

    apostatethunder posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:09:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    I never paid much attention at the meetings when they started talking about the 144000, Babylon the Great, the scarlet Beast, etc. so I probably missed important points like that of Jesus being the mediator for only the 144000. I don’t even remember that.

    They are trapped by their own lies, when they should be focusing on the weightier matters of the Law, like justice, mercy and faithfulness, rather than on dragons, wild beasts, and drunken harlots.

    F AnnOMaly posted Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:53:00 GMT(6/13/2012)

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    Has anybody here read what Jesus said on the Sermon on the Mount - "The meek will inherit the earth". (Matthew 5:5)

    Doesn't that make all Christians heirs? Just asking!!!

    That was my point!

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