JWs and the Family Unit - Calling Maze to defend assertions

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    Retrovirus posted Thu, 12 May 2011 23:37:00 GMT(5/12/2011)

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    In the thread about the WT in Russia, Maze made the assertions below.

    Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization acts as a protection to the family unit
    .

    And

    The lie that Jehovah's Witnesses ruin families is apostate poison.

    To aviod derailing that thread, I ask Maze to defend them here.

    My experience is that the jw religion destroyed my brothers' marriage. Both he and his wife were responsible, compatible people who did everything in their power to preserve a stable relationship for their children.

    But when one partner belongs to a religion which claims to be absolutely right, and teaches contempt for the rest of the world, how can you compromise? Can a jw parent allow their child freedom to choose? Can they really respect their partners' right to believe differently?

    I cannot address the more direct ruina of families when disfellowshipped members must be shunned as I lack the personal experience, but hope that others will do so.

    For the sake of lurkers this must be highlighted.

    Maze, your quoted statements are not true. The jw religion does destroy families .

    jean-luc picard posted Fri, 13 May 2011 09:20:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    I used to preach like Maze.

    Its only once you're outside that you realize that the company line is false.

    With them, its always somebody elses fault.

    Keeping a family together is a question of compromising from time to time.

    Jehovahs witnesses cannot do that. They are not allowed.

    ihadnoidea posted Fri, 13 May 2011 14:21:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    I am not looking to totally take a side in this debates, but I am of the opinion that religion in general can be used as another way to divides people including families. If its not race, culture, or the part of the world you live its belief or religion people often use to create "us" and "them" divides. When everyone is part of the same religion, lets say in this case being a Jehovah Witness everything maybe great. In fact, the time shared together doing something probably will bring people closer. Having some moral guide too may not hurt either. The problem is when it becomes a dividing line. I think some Jehovah Witnesses will use it as a dividing line, and create a hostile environment. In these cases the WT will do more harm then good. I am thinking this guy has a good situation, so he is defending what he is experiencing. My question would be does the Jehovah Witness faith actually better at keeping people married then other faiths? I do not think you can support this assertion with any marriage statistics. So if your situation is good, maybe it has less to do with your faith and more to do with other factors.

    diamondiiz posted Fri, 13 May 2011 16:51:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    You guys have to remember that Maze is a troll here who keeps making new accounts to confuse some who he is. S/he has been here for a long time under different names so it's not like s/he cares to debate on a logical level. These people are here to stir shit up without regard for the truth as truth is not found in them but deception.

    M possible-san posted Fri, 13 May 2011 20:35:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    Retrovirus.

    Probably, it is kind if you show us the link.
    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/210268/2/Had-the-magazines-left-at-my-house-today-and-wanted-to-SCREAM-after-reading-this-article-in-the-May-1-2011-WT

    Well, Maze has also said like this there.

    Sexual immorality above all threatens family life. If the family unit had anything to do with what's motivating the Russian government, why don't they outlaw pornography?

    But, in another thread, I said like this.

    "Well, of course, active JWs cannot watch them (porn).
    That is a cult which restricts males' healthy desire and makes people feel a guilty to God."
    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/entertainment/205664/1/A-Japanese-actress-in-adult-films-Maria-Ozawa

    Moreover, I know well that the cover-up by the Governing Body.
    http://www.freeminds.org/organization/barbara-anderson/the-discoveries-of-barbara-anderson.html

    That is, Guy Pierce. (Please see Mrs. AndersonsInfo's post)
    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/206074/1/What-sort-of-person-is-GB-member-Guy-Pierce

    Furthermore, I know well that the Governing Body is very obscene/lewd.
    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/171616/1/lascivious-governing-body

    I think that these all show their lie/hypocrisy.

    possible

    charlie brown jr. posted Fri, 13 May 2011 20:37:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    Destroyed my family...........

    So Maze stop talking out of your ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    As we all have talked to your many personalities......

    Alice your so misguided

    VoidEater posted Fri, 13 May 2011 20:55:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    In my experience, yes, sexual immorality can be bad for the JW family: incest, molestation, sexual abuse of their immediate and extended families (not to mention extending that beyond to others in the congregation).

    It split up my mom from my aunt for nearly 50 years.

    The only "protection" in this case is protection of the molester - no one is allowed to call them on it, and when it is brought up it is hushed up.

    Just my experience.

    And isn't it wonderful when the religion mandates couples stay married, despite emotional and physical abuse? I can't even count the times I've seen that in the various congregations we attended.

    Or the abuse the religion promotes: wives being subservient to their husbands in all things.

    I think I'll pass.

    F jgnat posted Fri, 13 May 2011 21:13:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    Empirical stats I have seen indicates that the divorce rate is the same for the Jehovah's Witnesses as the rest of society. All the literature education has not made a whit of difference.

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/divorce.php

    VoidEater posted Fri, 13 May 2011 21:31:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    ;-)

    Maze posted Fri, 13 May 2011 22:39:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    You guys have to remember that Maze is a troll here who keeps making new accounts to confuse some who he is. S/he has been here for a long time under different names so it's not like s/he cares to debate on a logical level. These people are here to stir shit up without regard for the truth as truth is not found in them but deception.

    No, that has nothing to with my user name. Try again.

    Maze posted Fri, 13 May 2011 22:42:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    Empirical stats I have seen indicates that the divorce rate is the same for the Jehovah's Witnesses as the rest of society. All the literature education has not made a whit of difference.
    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/divorce.php

    I'm not sure those statistics are accurate. What means did they use to gather that information? Do you even know? There's more involved than just “literature.” One thing I've noticed on these forums is people have a very superficial perception of Jehovah's Witnesses even though they claim they used to be one. Do you even know what the literature says?

    In a nutshell...

    Works for family and interpersonal relationships:

    w07 7/15 p. 21 par. 2 Will You “Keep Walking by Spirit”?

    As we “keep walking by spirit,” God’s active force will motivate us to obey Jehovah. We will display godly qualities in our ministry, in the congregation, at home, and elsewhere. The spirit’s fruitage will be evident in our dealings with our marriage mate, our children, our fellow believers, and others.


    Does not work for family and interpersonal relationships:

    g03 2/8 p. 13 Is There an Unforgivable Sin?

    Some people who were once faithful Christians have purposely drawn away from God, perhaps because of bitterness, pride, or greed, and are now apostate fighters against God’s spirit. They willfully oppose what the spirit is clearly accomplishing. Have these individuals committed the unforgivable sin? Jehovah is the final Judge.—Romans 14:12.

    Rather than judging others, we do well personally to guard against committing secret sins that can gradually harden our hearts. (Ephesians 4:30) And we take comfort in the fact that Jehovah will forgive us in a large way, even of serious sins that we have committed, if we are repentant.—Isaiah 1:18, 19.

    Not that everyone who's unrepentant and spiritually deficient is dysfunctional, but they're generally the people that adversely effect family and friends in the organization as they make their departure. That's been my direct observation.

    There are people in my family that are not apostate but they're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Most of my siblings and several of my cousins were raised in the organization and later left. I don't try and force my beliefs on them and vice-versa. We rarely even talk about religion.

    garyneal posted Fri, 13 May 2011 22:54:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    Maze, are you Spade / Alice in Wonderland?

    charlie brown jr. posted Fri, 13 May 2011 23:37:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    Maze, are you Spade / Alice in Wonderland?

    Yes it is.... only in disguise...

    notice the beard

    sabastious posted Fri, 13 May 2011 23:39:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    Waterboarding was used to find and kill Osama Bin Laden, does that mean Waterboarding killed Osama Bin Laden? I think the answer is yes and no.

    -Sab

    palmtree67 posted Fri, 13 May 2011 23:42:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    Alice,/Rachel/Spade/SuperSpook/Consfearacy......and now Maze:

    Most of my siblings and several of my cousins were raised in the organization and later left. I don't try and force my beliefs on them and vice-versa.

    Then, why are you here trying to do that?

    Also, I named one of my chickens after you.

    I see from your last post that it was a good call. Since you are too chicken to answer the original question.

    cantleave posted Fri, 13 May 2011 23:43:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    spaze - you haven't answered the question. Just spouted cult propaganda. You are a disgrace!!!!

    sabastious posted Fri, 13 May 2011 23:43:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    Also, I named one of my chickens after you.

    This made me laugh out loud.

    -Sab

    F jgnat posted Fri, 13 May 2011 23:50:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    I'm not sure those statistics are accurate. What means did they use to gather that information? Do you even know?

    You didn't follow the link, did you? Citations were given for all sources, sample size, and method of collection.

    There's more involved than just “literature.” One thing I've noticed on these forums is people have a very superficial perception of Jehovah's Witnesses even though they claim they used to be one. Do you even know what the literature says?

    I am married to a Witness; never one myself. The reason for my comment is that as registered charities here in Canada, the WTBTS lists it's charitable activities as literature distribution, with the expected intent of improving people's lives. I'm just sayin', as a charitable activity, it's markedly unsuccessful.

    Based on empirical statistics.

    Oh, P.S. I have my own copy of the "Secret of Family Happiness" book, which I've read.

    palmtree67 posted Fri, 13 May 2011 23:51:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    It's true.

    I now have a chicken named Alice.

    sabastious posted Fri, 13 May 2011 23:52:00 GMT(5/13/2011)

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    The Watchtower's strength will always reside within it's member's staunch opposition to anything critical of the Watchtower. In the end it was my choice to keep on going through the cult. I can remember many times where I had cognitions that would have led me out if I had only not shooed them away with a pitch fork. Eventually I got out, but who was hurt by my actions inside while I "sorted" everything out? Am I to blame for their pain? The fact is that I am a link in a chain that ended in misery for someone. I could have done things better and caused less or no pain at all.

    The Watchtower has responsibility and so does it's members. The Watchtower has chosen to skate theirs and their members sit idly by... and glorious and reverent cause and effect takes place.

    -Sab

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