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The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
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The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:40:00 GMT
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Post 619 of 642 Since 4/28/2009 |
If you had to guess what point of their teaching the Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand, what would you say that would be?
So that there's no doubt about it, today's daily text is Matt. 24:45. The comment highlights that because Jesus "did not say that there would be a multitude of slaves scattered throughout the various sects of Christendom. Instead, he clearly stated that there would be only one “steward,” or “slave,” whom he would appoint over all his belongings." Jesus didn't say that there would be a religious publishing corporation either. Anyway it goes on to assert that... "So as The Watchtower has often explained, the steward must represent the “little flock” of anointed disciples as a collective body, or group." Isn't it amazing how the suppositions and assumptions of statements found in WT publications can be so boldly, and brazenly, affirmed? This despite the fact that there is absolutely no proof in the scriptures put forth to support their claims? What today's text highlights is really the Governing Body's lack of shame in bragging about themselves and making sure the "individuals" who might claim an anointing kow-tow to their kooky doctrine. As lording it over Christ's sheep, they've become an evil slave who mistreats the Lord's belongings.
***es11 p. 18, Thursday, February 3*** Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?—Matt. 24:45. After raising this question, Jesus then went on to say that this slave would be rewarded for his faithfulness by being appointed over all of the Master’s belongings. (Matt. 24:46, 47) Jesus, the “master” in the illustration, did not say that there would be a multitude of slaves scattered throughout the various sects of Christendom. Instead, he clearly stated that there would be only one “steward,” or “slave,” whom he would appoint over all his belongings. So as The Watchtower has often explained, the steward must represent the “little flock” of anointed disciples as a collective body, or group. In the context of Luke’s Gospel, Jesus had just referred to these ones. (Luke 12:32, 42) The “body of attendants,” or “domestics,” refers to this same group but highlights their role as individuals. w09 6/15 4:1, 3
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:00:00 GMT
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Post 1222 of 4380 Since 6/18/2010 |
there are lots of point to be gottten from this, but i take a small one that grates on me.... when talking about the FDS, the above says Jesus, the “master” in the illustration, did not say that there would be a multitude of slaves scattered throughout the various sects of Christendom. and yet, when talking about the illistration of the dragnet, even though it only identified ONE dragnet, its ok to have that apply to the various organizations of christendom as well as JW's throughout time. I call "bullshit"! |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:14:00 GMT
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Post 10 of 3503 Since 1/6/2011 |
It is always about loyalty to the cult leaders isn't it. When I was in the 'troooooooooth' I was always very uncomfortable with how the GB always 'demanded glory'. Their arrogance finally broke my dub spirit! Own goal to those deluded weirdos the GB! |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:18:00 GMT
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Post 3402 of 5826 Since 4/16/2009 |
Welcome punkofnice! As my Muslim colleague has stated "Scripture must be interpretted for the times we live in. There will be many ancient writings that just no longer apply." I think Matthew 24:45 falls into this category. |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:30:00 GMT
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Post 11 of 3503 Since 1/6/2011 |
Hello Heaven. That scripture in no sense states there will be a bunch of psychopathic delusional power trippers in charge of a big business posing as a religion. No connection!!! LOL |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:38:00 GMT
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Post 3404 of 5826 Since 4/16/2009 |
That scripture in no sense states there will be a bunch of psychopathic delusional power trippers in charge of a big business posing as a religion. No connection!!! LOL So true. This is one of my many issues with religion including the JWs. As we all know, scripture has always been used to justify whatever agenda men in power or men who want power wish to execute. |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:43:00 GMT
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Post 12 of 3503 Since 1/6/2011 |
Yup, Heaven. Aint that the undisputed....!! If I had a quid for the amount of out of context scriptures in the washTowel borganization's teachings I'd be able to buy my very own cult!! I'm beginning to see the advantages in following the flying spaghetti meatball monster! |
moshe
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:15:00 GMT
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The GB isn't discreet about telling JWs who their earthly LORD is over them-
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:24:00 GMT
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This reminds me of some post by SD7 where he exponds on WT article or bible passages. When he does it we know its a spoof and find his skill funny and amusing...When the WT does it 7 million take it as the word of god?!? |
Black Sheep
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:29:00 GMT
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![]() Post 6444 of 10448 Since 8/8/2003 |
.... and that is why that is the only subject worth discussing with JWs. Kick the sand out from under that doctrine and it doesn't matter who the King of the North is, what Jesus was nailed onto, how many gods there are, whether, or not, god created humans in his image, had a penis, drowned koala bears, hates figs, hates apostates, hates Catholics, whatever. |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:33:00 GMT
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Post 5487 of 6728 Since 4/7/2001 |
No, no, no! If these idiots would bother to read the whole of the Gospels accounts, they would notice that Jesus was asking a rhetorical question equivalent to "will you personally be faithful?", not "will you guys be faithful as a group". Luke 12:45 disproves this whole "collective" crap explanation when Jesus says 'but if THAT SLAVE [turns evil].......", showing that he is speaking about individuals, who could go good or bad, who could change to bad. So, yes, you could have slaves here and there, scattered, according to what it says. metatron |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:43:00 GMT
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Mongolia Post 4993 of 7786 Since 5/17/2005 |
I continue to find it a source of wonderment that out of a 1500 page book containing millions of words, the WTS has constructed an elaborate air castle based exclusively on about 30 of those words. All their (self-appointed) authority, power, control, prestige ignores 99.9999% of the book and is based on 3 verses in Matthew, in which, as Metatron points out, Jesus was clearly speaking of something else entirely. |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:48:00 GMT
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![]() Post 3970 of 6020 Since 2/20/2008 |
Dead right Meta and Sir82, it is simply a parable to alert his followers that they ,as individuals , need to be of a certain calibre. It has no application to any "classes" or groups of people, it is not a prophecy, it is as you rightly say, a rhetorical question, maybe asked with a little wistful sadness in His voice, as he feared his advice may not be followed. As Chris says above, blow this stupid doctrine of a FDS out of the water, which is easy, it is based on nothing, and the whole JW house of cards comes a-tumbling down. |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:57:00 GMT
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Post 130 of 462 Since 10/5/2009 |
Peace.
Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?-Matt. 24:45.
The Governing Body is misapplying this scripture. It has nothing to do with giving authority to a steward before Armageddon, but afterwards. They are trying to prop up their authority by assigning a time frame from 1914 onwards in which this scripture applies, rather than reading it as it's written. The scripture clearly shows that when Yeshua returns and takes the anointed deemed worthy to Heaven, then Yeshua will appoint them over his domestics. They're trying to give this scripture an earthly application when it is in fact a Heavenly one received only after the deaths of the worthy anointed (deemed worthy by Yeshua, not other people or themselves). A very gross misrepresentation. Peace, Awen
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:59:00 GMT
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![]() Post 31876 of 36396 Since 5/28/2001 |
Matthew 24:45(-47) is the most quoted scripture in current jw publications. Sometimes it is the only scripture used to support their statements, "we are god's representatives thus you have to do what we say and we are god's representatives because we say we are" repeat |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:23:00 GMT
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Post 1041 of 1606 Since 12/31/2009 |
Instead, he clearly stated that there would be only one "steward," or "slave," whom he would appoint over all his belongings. Only one slave? (Matthew |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:25:00 GMT
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Post 3460 of 4266 Since 4/6/2010 |
WT publications can be so boldly, and brazenly, affirmed?
Nice use of the word "brazen"! |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:50:00 GMT
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![]() New YorkPost 671 of 2309 Since 4/15/2007 |
Like the rest of the Bible, this illustration or parable is a metaphor, applying to oneself. YOU are the faithful and discreet slave that the Master appoints over all his belongings. As already mentioned, the context shows this. Even if this DID apply to a group today, the Watchtower hardly qualifies. This website is filled with the reasons why. The only things they are faithful to are money, power and Jehovah, who is really Satan, sitting on the Judgment Seat. |
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:51:00 GMT
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Post 1662 of 4409 Since 8/27/2010 |
The WTS' one point message is this: "God commands you to obey the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses without hesitation or criticism." Corollary: "When the GB says, 'Jump!' the only legitimate question you can ask is, "How high?'" The GB can change key doctrines, and you must meekly accept this as "new light". For example: -- Michael is the Pope (The Finished Mystery)... No, Michael is Jesus -- Jesus is to be worshipped... No, Jesus is not to be worshipped -- Give "relative worship" to Jesus... No, "relative worship" is idolatry -- Organ transplants are cannibalism... No, organ transplants are acceptable medical treatment, not cannibalism -- The Great Pyramid is God's stone witness, the Bible in stone... No, the Great Pyramid comes from Satan -- Jesus returned invisibly in 1874... No, Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 -- World War I was the beginning of Armageddon... No, 100 years later, Armageddon is still just around the corner
Yesterday's "truth" is today's heresy. Today's "truth" may be tomorrow's heresy. No matter. The one constant is that the GB speaks for Jehovah and must be obeyed without hesitation or criticism. Follow that rule at all times and you're "in the truth" no matter how much or how fast the "truth" changes.
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Re: The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
posted Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:10:00 GMT
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Post 103 of 208 Since 2/1/2010 |
They forget to mention the same text in Luke 12: 41Then Peter said: “Lord, are you saying this illustration to us or also to all?”42And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?43Happy is that slave, if his master on arriving finds him doing so!44I tell YOU truthfully, He will appoint him over all his belongings.45But if ever that slave should say in his heart, ‘My master delays coming,’ and should start to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, It isn't a profecy, but an illustration!! And the illustration is for all of us. Are you ready and busy when the master returns? It is just a warning for us all. But that is what they do ALL the time... All the numbers in the Revelation-book are 'symbolic' except the 144.000. Why?? |


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