Freemasonry and Jehovah's Witnesses

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    Hammer_Of_Thor posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:20:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    I've read alot of posts here regarding JW's and Freemasonry, and so far I've seen the usual conjecture by non-masons, and a few well written opinions of the inquiring minds among us.

    I'm a former JW from Texas, and a current Freemason in Houston. My question is:

    What specifically does the WTS say as far as Masonic membership. I know it is "strongly discouraged", but is joining a Lodge an offense worthy of having the "John Smith is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses" announcement.

    Oh...and my apologies to any current or past LDS members; John Smith was the first neutral, very general name I could think of.

    Any insights would be valued highly. Thanks in advance.

    And for the record, this is my first time posting, so please be gentle with me. And where is the spell check option?

    3Mozzies posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:42:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    Welcome Hammer Of Thor We are so happy you found us here, we are all here to help each other no matter what the question/s.

    I don't know much about the Masons & JWs so I would direct you to this web-page for the moment:

    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/dirtywatchtowersecrets.htm

    Others here on this forum might know more about your question ...

    3Mozzies

    M recovering posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:57:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    it is a disfellowshipping offence

    designs posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:59:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    Hammer-

    The Society has a mixed track record with the Masons. Russel was accused of being a mason but really wasn't, he gave lectures at some of their Halls. Under Rutherford they came out against joining but their is a famous picture of Fred Franz giving a talk at an Assembly and gesturing with his hand, there is a picture of his Masonic ring, you can make out the sextant.

    Farkel posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:59:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    If a dub can be Dfd for joining the YMCA, you can bet your compass and square a dub would get Dfd for joining the Freemasons, or even the Moose, Elks, or Lions for that matter. Charles Russell once alluded that he was a Freemason but it was worded and in the same context of say, John F. Kennedy saying "ich bein ein berliner", so it's not evidence at all that Russell was ever a Mason. He wasn't.

    If the WTS can find demons in a typical used sofa, you can bet your sweet bippy, the WTS can find demons in Freemasonry.

    Farkel

    M moshe posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:23:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    Fremasonry is bad for JWs, because it competes for the same time the JWs want from you. That goes for any charitible group like the Lions club, Rotary club, etc.

    Hammer_Of_Thor posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:23:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    Thanks for the input and comments. Please keep them coming.

    Recovering - I too feel that most judicial committees would act swiftly with the full wrath of af a long-inactive war-mongering Hebrew deity, but I'm looking for some precedence in this arena. Anyone know of someone that was DF'd for joining?

    Designs - Thanks for your comment too. Also thanks for stating that CT was accused of membership. I can tell you for a fact that he was not. Although he once said to a congregation "I am a Mason, as are all of you Masons." He later (in the same speech) said that he was not truly a member of the organization even though he did closely associate with those that were.

    Farkel - Thanks. Well written response. I love the fact that this forum is a place for thinking minds and open, non accusatory responses. I like it here.

    3Mozzies - Thanks for the welcome.

    F blondie posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:56:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/98890/1/Heres-PROOF-that-Charles-Taze-Russell-Was-NOT-a-Pennsylvania-Freemason

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/98444/6/C-T-Russell-a-confirmed-Pittsburgh-Free-Mason

    Farkel posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:57:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    hammar,

    : Anyone know of someone that was DF'd for joining?

    Nowadays I suspect the person wouldn't be disfellowshiped, but forceably disassociated. Less liability and cleaner that way. The result is the same as I'm sure you know.

    When I was young, forced disassociation was only used in one situation. That was when a JW joined the military. The WT couldn't disfellowship them or (at least in the USA) they would face Federal prosecution, so they just announced by that their conduct, those dubs who joined had demonstrated that they no longer wish to be a dub. Also, DAd people weren't shunned, so their would be no good justification for a lawsuit against the Printing Corporation.

    Today, however, DAing is slowly taking over DFing as the expedient and safe way to get rid of the troublemakers and mitigate paying money in lawsuits against them.

    Farkel

    IsaacJ22 posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:38:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    When I was a Witness, one of the Elders at my congregation came from a family of masons. I remember him telling me a story about when he was a boy and how he found his father's stash of masonic emblems, though his parents were already JWs by that time.

    At any rate, I had the general impression at the time that being a mason would be like becoming a witch to the WTS with spiritism and all that. As far as I know, it's a DFing offense.

    designs posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:45:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    My old JW CPA Accountant joined the Masons, he told me he was surprised to see other JWs at their meetings.

    Its not what you know its who you know.

    M ninja posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:59:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    hey hammy welcome

    did you mean "joseph smith" instead of john?

    he was on the square too

    M ninja posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:02:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    oh lord my god....is there no help for the widows son?.........he nearly got the whole phrase out before he was killed

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry_and_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement

    St George of England posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:32:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    *** w97 12/15 p. 10 They ‘Bought Truth’! ***

    “My studies helped me to see that Jehovah God detests any involvement with spiritism because it can bring one under the influence of Satan and his wicked spirit forces. Would I continue as a member of the Masonic Lodge with all its mysticism, or would I quit and please Jehovah? I chose the latter. I destroyed all the Freemason paraphernalia I had, even the suit I used for Lodge meetings. I experienced the truth of Jesus’ promise when he said, ‘The truth will set you free’! (John 8:32) Now I am happily sharing the things I have learned with others. I have no regrets whatsoever.”

    George

    PS Up until about 1950 many congregations met in Freemason's Lodges but then a directive came to break any such association.

    M thetrueone posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:02:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    A read somewhere off a FM's web site that Charles Russell father Joseph was a Mason,

    which might indicate that Charles associated with this group as well.

    One has to keep in mind that the membership of Freemasonry is about inviting all believers of a single god,

    most likely there were members back in Russell's time who were from an sorted different sects (Christain ), just as there are today.

    Another thing to think about is Pyramidology especially in Russell's time was as its highest focal interest within the Freemasons.

    Russel himself proclaimed that he was a Freemason in one of his speeches on occasion of his touring lectures.

    The remaining members of the IBSA still use Freemason halls to give lectures.

    Back in his time Russell and some of closest supporters (IBSA) used Freemason halls to give public speeches.

    So you can see a plausible connection with the Freemasons and Charles T Russell.

    But of course today if a JW were to join this group they would be quickly disfellowshipped in an instant.

    M thetrueone posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:43:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    EndofMysteries posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:46:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    Hammer - Question bout being a freemason.................are you required to swear allegience 'prior' to fully knowing what your getting yourself into? And 2nd question.......I've seen both sides online of some rituals that can appear satanic but have christian meaning or the don't judge a book by it's cover thing, anyway if after joining something bothers your conscience, since Freemasons accept those of all faiths who just believe in a higher power, if something bothers onces conscience must they do it to remain a member?

    EndofMysteries posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:48:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    OOO I never heard bout Fred Franz w/ the mason ring, can somebody link or post that photo? Much obliged.

    bohm posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:52:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    I have nothing to add to the topic, just want to give you a big welcome and say i like your balanced style of writing.

    M thetrueone posted Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:58:00 GMT(10/17/2010)

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    I'm a former JW from Texas

    If you truly were a former JW you would know about JWS joining an organization such as the Freemasons ?

    Something tells me your not being truthful about your association with the JWS.

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