WT December 15, 2010

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    Designer Stubble posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:25:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    WT December 15, 2010

    Snippets from this Watchtower are below. Keeping in mind that all articles are written with an agenda, to address problems in the organization or to pave the way for new guidelines, look at what I highlighted. My conclusions are:

    1. Most witnesses have lost their zeal for preaching, hours and numbers are tanking
    2. Witnesses are not submitting themselves to the elders or Governing Body rulings. This could be viewed as “brazen conduct”
    3. People do not like the new songbook and many are using the song in between meetings to take a quick break – not allowed, again “Brazen conduct”!

    Page 10/11, paragraph 14-17
    And before leaving the earthly scene, Jesus indicated that he would appoint “the faithful and discreet slave” to provide spiritual food for his people. Though quick to claim stewardship of God’s Word, have the clergy of Christendom proved to be faithful to the Master’s trust? No. They have been inclined to label what the Bible says as fable or myth (which it ofcourse is).

    Because of all that has been done—supposedly in the name of the God of the Bible—many sincere people have become disillusioned or have completely lost their faith in God and in the Bible.

    As Jehovah’s people, we have been blessed with the knowledge of the truth about God’s purpose for mankind and the earth. Rather than feel frustrated or discouraged because Jehovah’s day seems to be delayed, we should be glad that there is still time for us to be zealous for true worship.

    Page 19, Paragraph 14
    [quote]Ask yourself: ‘Do I reflect Jesus’ attitude toward people in my ministry? Do I give Jehovah my best even if my health or personal circumstances might limit what I can do?’[/quote]

    Page 20, paragraph 18-19
    And listening to God means willingly submitting oneself to the arrangement he has set in place, the Christian congregation with appointed elders, “gifts in men.” Among those “gifts in men” are the members of the Governing Body, who act in a representative way for the entire Christian congregation. In fact, our attitude toward Christ’s spiritual brothers is a major factor that will determine how we will be judged during the coming great tribulation. Thus, one aspect of the way we gain a blessing is by giving our loyal support to God’s anointed ones.

    Page 22, paragraph 12
    Since music has an honorable place in our worship, we do well to ask ourselves: ‘Do I show proper appreciation for it? Do I do my best to arrive at meetings, assemblies, and conventions in time to join my brothers and sisters in the opening song, and then do I sing out with feeling? Do I encourage my children not to view the song[ between the Theocratic Ministry School and the Service Meeting or the one between the public talk and the Watchtower Study as a sort of intermission, an opportunity for them to leave their seats unnecessarily, perhaps just to stretch their legs?’

    Page 23, paragraph 16
    For that and other reasons, the Governing Body approved the publication of a new songbook entitled Sing to Jehovah. The number of songs in our new book has been reduced to 135. Because there are fewer songs to learn, it should be possible for us to memorize the lyrics

    M alanv posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:57:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Hi DS. I guess you downloaded the latest Watchtower from JW.org.

    I had a look at it myself yesterday and actually made mentel note of the things that you have found.

    I totally agree with you. The reason they say anything to the sheep is because the sheep are not doing what they should.

    Once again they push the point that you must have the right attitude toward the gov body, i e you need to support them wholeheartedly or you will be bird prey at the big A.

    I think now that the mags are available to all, that is going to show even more the societies attitude of only they are right, and everybody else is wrong.

    I'm sure we will see many more articles commented on in the future.

    M ThomasCovenant posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:04:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Or an alternative way of looking at it is from the GB's view. Thus

    ''And before leaving the earthly scene, Jesus indicated that he would appoint US to provide spiritual food for his people.''

    ''In fact, your attitude toward us is a major factor that will determine how you will be judged during the coming great tribulation. Thus, one aspect of the way you gain a blessing is by giving your loyal support to us.''

    lovelylil2 posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:27:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    I feel bad for the poor children who are going to be harrassed now for going to the bathroom and marked as spiritually lacking by older ones in the congregation. I know this for sure because a similar point was made in the WT when I was in and my children got lots of negative looks and comments for going to the restroom. I even had a few "sisters" tell me I was an inappropriate parent for not training my kids better.

    This WT is mind control at its best. Thanks for posting. Lilly

    finallyfree! posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:40:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Wow!! Been out for a few years and reading back over this trash reminds me of meetings with all the lemmings all nodding in unison! What a buncha whackos!

    M sir82 posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:22:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    our attitude toward Christ’s spiritual brothers is a major factor that will determine how we will be judged during the coming great

    tribulation

    Now that's odd...I don't recall the scripture that says we will judged on our "attitude". I must have an out of date copy of the NWT.

    Hmmm...seems they also neglected to put the scriptural reference to "judgment based on attitude" in the article. I wonder why?

    Mad Sweeney posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:38:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Rather than feel frustrated or discouraged because Jehovah’s day seems to be delayed, we should be glad that there is still time for us to be zealous for true worship.

    This is an amazing admission. Whether they realized it or not at the time of publication, this sentence comes right out and says that "Jehovah's day seems to be delayed."

    "But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, "My master is delaying," and should start to beat his fellow slaves . . . the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be." ~ Matthew 24:48-51

    M sir82 posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:01:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Rather than feel frustrated or discouraged because Jehovah’s day seems to be delayed, we should be glad that there is still time for us to be

    zealous

    for true worship.

    This doesn't make any sense at all. If "Jehovah's day" were not "seemingly delayed", does that mean we wouldn't have time to be "zealous for true worship"?

    If "Jehovah's Day" had already come, wouldn't that mean we'd have even more time to be "zealous for true worship"?

    Does anybody on the writing committee even think about what gibberish they write any more? Or do they just knock back a fifth of vodka and churn out the first thought that comes to mind?

    miseryloveselders posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:02:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Something that bugs me is how they've lost their way in regards to spiritual food. Being fair, some of the articles they publish I like and can agree with in respects to moral related matters. To me, that is spiritual food at the proper time. What bothers me is that they spend a significant portion of space in their articles reminding you of their authority. Its as if they lack confidence in themselves, or have serious self esteem issues. They remind me of my dad. Anymore I hate calling my dad, or him calling me. The reason being is that all he wants to talk about is how messed up the world is. He got mad at me a month or so ago because of what I stated was his reason for always speaking negatively. I told him, "you're trying to convince yourself the world is messed up, and the end has to be near. Thats fine so long as you don't try to convince me cuz I'm sick of hearing all that negativity." He was furious because I pulled his card, and he knew I had him. Its the same way with WT literature in regards to this Faithful and Discreet Slave teaching. They're trying to convince themselves it exlusively applies to them, and trying to convince their readers too. Me personally, I feel that your activity should speak for itself. Barry Sanders didn't have to argue that he's one of the greatest running backs of all time. His stats made the argument for his being in the Hall of Fame. The same should be with the WTS or any other Christian group that touts itself as a slave or steward. I get sick of hearing them pat themselves on the back every article.

    Cook My Socks UK posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:04:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Of course people want a break in the song. Yes there were more in the old book but they been out so long that everybody knew them. The new ones are crap!

    clarity posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:16:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Designer stubble,

    Amazing how much earlier I get the 'mags' now that I stopped attending. lol

    Love this quote:

    "For that and other reasons, the Governing Body approved the publication of a new songbook entitled Sing to Jehovah. The number of songs in our new book has been reduced to 135. Because there are fewer songs to learn, it should be possible for us to memorize the lyrics".

    Yeah, fewer songs and highly concentrated with GB!!! These songs are 'especially' penned for us dopes dubs, & drills into us that the GB supercede Christ for the most part and speak only the words of God. And for a final little shove....MEMORIZE OUR WORDS!!!

    CULT CULT SCARY CULT!!!!!!!!!!

    clarity

    skeeter1 posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:18:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Control. Control. Control.

    peacedog posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:26:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    clarity, I had the exact same thought. Memorize the lyrics?? The lyrics are nothing short of WT PROPAGANDA! Blatant mind control/thought reform...

    M OnTheWayOut posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:29:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    2. Witnesses are not submitting themselves to the elders or Governing Body rulings. This could be viewed as “brazen conduct”


    They just don't see through the wool over their own eyes. This is how I envision them rambling on about insistence of obedience:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FiPaSdiL0&feature=related

    3. People do not like the new songbook

    Here's WT's (unofficial so far) answer to the members that don't like the change:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOCRdCcfEyM

    Page 19, Paragraph 14
    [quote]Ask yourself: ‘Do I reflect Jesus’ attitude toward people in my ministry? Do I give Jehovah my best even if my health or personal circumstances might limit what I can do?’[/quote]

    In other words, "The elderly ones are the only real hardcore Witnesses left, so we will keep applying guilt to them so that, hopefully they insist that the younger ones don't leave the organization or else the hardcore ones will have to shun them. That should keep the younger ones in for 10 or 20 more years."

    M undercover posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:44:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Thanks, DS... good thread

    Yep, more control from the GB. It's starting to become more and more apparent that they are placing themselves in the place of Christ. Now dubs are going to be judged on their attitude towards how they follow direction of the GB. No actual mention of the ruling king Jesus Christ... Good comment from Sir82 on this as well.

    The bit about getting there in time to sing and staying at your seat during the break isn't really new. They harp on that every so often, but it's usually through talks, especially COs. Funny they reference the new song book. I'd say that the reason more people are wandering around during the song is because, well, those new songs are just plain shit. I had to displeasure of hearing a couple of the new ones at a JW funeral just a few weeks ago. God, were they bad. And now they want the dubbies to memorize em. It would be funny if it weren't for the fact that they weren't kidding....they really expect people to it.

    F Gayle posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:54:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    What bothers me is that they spend a significant portion of space in their articles reminding you of their authority. Its as if they lack confidence in themselves, or have serious self esteem issues. Thanks MLE

    The GB paranoia is picking up, they seem threatened (perhaps insecure and rightfully so). It's getting on the edge like Hitler, Jim Jones, and David Koresh (Waco). There is no place for them to go. They have made themselves stuck.

    Rick Ross, a cult deprogrammer, spoke recently to my brother. He has observed the JW organization is struggling, and trying to change things that didn't exist previously (back in the 80s when we left).

    miseryloveselders posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:54:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    I'm loving how the general consensus on the new song book is that it sucks. Hilarious. You don't have to be an apostate posting on here to recognize how sucky the new songs are either. "It should be possible for us to memorize the lyrics" SMH. They're getting more and more delusional up there. When will they ever learn, you can't regiment faith.

    M undercover posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:06:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    I had to go see this mag after reading these snippets that DS shared with us...

    The article on singing is really out there. And this paragraph...wow, is it a doozy...

    Page 23, paragraph 15:

    As time passes, refinements are made in our understanding of the Scripture. Proverbs 4:19 says: "The path of the righteous (why do I picture Sam Jackson reading this) ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established." Increased light inevitably leads to adjustments in the way in which we 'sing the truth'. For the past 25 years, Jehovah's Witnesses in many lands have enjoyed using the songbook entitled Sing Praises to Jehovah. In the years since that book was first published, the light has been getting brighter on a number of topics, and some of the expressions used in that songbook have become outdated. For example, we no longer speak of "the new order" but of "the new world". And we now state that Jehovah's name will be "sanctified, not "vindicated." Clearly, from a doctrinal standpoint, there has been a need to bring our songbook up-to-date.

    Wow....just...fucking wow...

    M undercover posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:16:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Oh boy... here's another good qoute from the first study article Be Zealous For True Worship, paragraph 4...didn't wait long to start shoveling the shit did they?

    As we have seen, a sense of urgency is usually connected with a time limit, a deadline, an end. We are living in the time of the end, and there is plenty of evidence - both Scriptural and historical - to prove that.

    After making such a declaration that historical evidence proves we're in the last days, the very next sentence contradicts the previous...

    Still, no man knows the exact time when the end will come. When giving the details of "the sign" marking "the conclusion of the system of things" Jesus specifically said, "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."

    So, okay which is it? We have historical and bible evidence to prove we're in the last days or no man knows? Pick one, goddam it.

    F Mary posted Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:38:00 GMT(9/17/2010)

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    Actually, I can verify that the new Songbook does indeed, suck dead rocks. I was shocked when I went to the Memorial this year how they had changed the notes for the Oldies that we sang as it sounded very dark and depressing. I thought "WTF did they waste their time changing it?" Truly awful. I guess not too many Dubs are impressed either and there's probably been some "murmurings" about how they liked the old songbook better.

    Rather than feel frustrated or discouraged because Jehovah's day seems to be delayed, we should be glad that there is still time for us to be zealous for true worship.

    'Seems to be delayed'? How about 'is nowhere in sight'. Even the most loyal of Dubs know that there is something seriously wrong here, especially after the summer ASSembly's ridiculous 'new light' about Jesus referring to an 'overlapping generation'. Witnesses have been waiting for over 130 years now for 'The End' and it's no closer now than it was when Charlie Russell first wrote The Object and Manner of our Lord's Return in 1874. Had JW's been allowed to have a normal life like people of other denominations, then the frustration and discouragement might not be as bad as what it apparently is. But when people are strongly discouraged to give up things like marriage, having children, getting an education, buying a home, when you're not allowed to celebrate anything and must attend 5 meetings a week and then go and bang on doors for a minimum of 10 hours every month, then ya....people are going to be pissed off that their 'sacrifices' were all in vain.

    The goons at the top know this of course, but God forbid that they ever apologize for all the false hopes they've given the masses over the decades. Instead, they do what they always do when backed into a corner: they point the finger at the rank and file and insinuate that the problem lies with them, not the Governing Body.

    Should be interesting to see what sorry-assed writings they come up with for 2014.

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