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The Nephilim, who were they and are their descendants among us?

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    The Finger posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:18:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    F mrsjones5 posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:20:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    Basketball players?

    The Finger posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:22:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    That's great!

    carla posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:29:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    Why do jw's have such an unusual fascination with the Nephilim? just wondering, mine brings them all the time to non jw's.

    The Finger posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:33:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    I suppose my interest is, I was brought up with the idea that these were the offspring of angels and women. It seemed strange as a JW that angels saw women as good looking. It seemed stranger that they could pass on angel DNA assuming they have it.

    Think About It posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:42:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    How about this guy maybe? (Andre the Giant- deceased 1993)

    Think About It

    F aSphereisnotaCircle posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:46:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    It seemed strange as a JW that angels saw women as good looking

    Yeah, why did jah create horny angels?

    It makes no sense.

    The Finger posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:48:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    grewupjw1969 posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:13:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    From www.gotquestions.org

    Question: "Who / what were the Nephilim?"

    Answer:
    The Nephilim (“fallen ones, giants”) were the offspring of sexual relationships between the sons of God and daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4 . There is much debate as to the identity of the “sons of God.” It is our contention that the “sons of God” were fallen angels (demons) who mated with human females and/or possessed human males and then mated with human females. These unions resulted in offspring, the Nephilim, that were “heroes of old, men of renown” ( Genesis 6:4 ).

    Why would the demons do such a thing? The Bible does not specifically give us the answer. The demons are evil, twisted beings—so nothing they do should surprise us. As to a distinct motivation, the best speculation is that the demons were attempting to pollute the human blood line in order to prevent the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. God had promised that a Messiah would come from the line of Eve ( Genesis 3:15 ) who would crush the head of the serpent, Satan. So, the demons were possibly attempting to prevent this by polluting the human bloodline, making it impossible for a sinless Messiah to one day be born. Again, this is not a specifically biblical answer, but it is plausible and not in contradiction to anything the Bible teaches.

    What were the Nephilim? According to Hebraic and other legends (the Book of Enoch and other non-biblical writings), they were a race of giants and super-heroes who did acts of great evil. Their great size and power likely came from the mixture of demonic “DNA” with human genetics. All that the Bible directly says about them is that they were “heroes of old, men of renown” ( Genesis 6:4 ). The Nephilim were not aliens, they were literal, physical beings produced from the union of the sons of God and daughters of men ( Genesis 6:1-4 ).

    What happened to the Nephilim? The Nephilim were one of the primary reasons for the great flood in Noah's time. Immediately after the Nephilim are mentioned, God's Word tells us this: “The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, ‘I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them’” ( Genesis 6:5-7 ). So, God proceeded to flood the entire earth, killing everyone and everything (including the Nephilim) other than Noah and his family and the animals on the ark ( Genesis 6:11-22 ).

    Were there Nephilim after the flood? Genesis 6:4 tells us, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days — and also afterward.” It seems that the demons repeated their sin sometime after the flood as well. However, it likely took place to a much lesser extent than it did prior to the flood. When the Israelites spied out the land of Canaan, they reported back to Moses: “We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them” ( Numbers 13:33 ). Now, this passage does not specifically say that the Nephilim were genuinely there, only that the spies thought they saw the Nephilim. It is more likely that the spies witnessed very large people in Canaan and mistakenly believed them to be the Nephilim. Or, it is possible that after the flood the demons again mated with human females, producing more Nephilim. Whatever the case, these “giants” were destroyed by the Israelites during their invasion of Canaan ( Joshua 11:21-22 ) and later in their history ( Deuteronomy 3:11 ; 1 Samuel 17).

    What prevents the demons from producing more Nephilim today? It seems that God put an end to demons mating with humans by placing all the demons who committed such an act in the Abyss. Jude verse 6 tells us, “And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.” Obviously, not all of the demons are in “prison” today, so there must have been a group of demons who committed further grievous sin beyond the original fall. Presumably, the demons who mated with human females are the ones who are “bound with everlasting chains.” This would prevent any more demons from attempting such an act.

    Recommended Resource: Angels: Elect & Evil by C. Fred Dickason.

    M moshe posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:46:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    It seems that God put an end, However, it likely took place, There is much debate as to the identity, The Bible does not specifically give us the answer,
    the best speculation is that the demons were attempting to pollute, Again, this is not a specifically biblical answer, but it is plausible, It seems that the demons repeated their sin,

    It seems to me that Watchtower style weasel words can be found whenever an apologist tries to explain what the Bible doesn't explain.

    F nelly136 posted Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:56:00 GMT(3/21/2010)

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    goliath was said to be a giant,

    sampson must have been quite big if he could reach both pillars?

    F AGuest posted Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:47:00 GMT(3/22/2010)

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    May you have peace!

    I am not sure who is behind the website www.gotquestions.org, but they seem to be in some sort of cahoots with the WTBTS:

    The Nephilim (“fallen ones, giants”) were the offspring of sexual relationships between the sons of God and daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4 .

    This is an error. The Nephilim were the SPIRITS who had such relations with human women... resulting in mutant offspring that were bigger and stronger than earthling man. The error arose because of the improper transliteration of Genesis 6:4, which is stated, for example, in the KJV, as:

    "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown."

    The TRUE rendering of this verse is:

    "The Nephilim were in the earth in those days and after, when the [messengers of God] came in to the [grand]daughters of Adam and they (the descendant "daughters" of Adam) bore [children], these (the children) were mighty... and DID NOT DIE."

    [Note: That is NOT to say they COULD not die; it's just that being half-breed offspring of man, who lived hundreds of years... and spirits... who did/could not die... these offspring lived what seemed like perpetually and so thought they could not die. The truth is that they WOULD have died after a very long period; however, because they were wreaking havoc in the earth, the Most Holy One of Israel had to stop them.]

    Back to the Nephilim. One such being is a "Nephi." Singular. As a group, they are referred to as "the Nephilim." It is this group that was in the earth at the time mentioned, and these who had relations with Adam's female descendants. Not ALL of Adam's female descendants, though, but those through Seth. The error is in thinking that the Nephilim chose these women because they were beautiful. They were... but not necessarily in appearance. They were chosen because they were beautiful as in intellect, morality, demeanor, and "spirit."

    There is much debate as to the identity of the “sons of God.” It is our contention that the “sons of God” were fallen angels (demons) who mated with human females and/or possessed human males and then mated with human females.

    First, the phrase "sons of God" is an error added much later when someone believed angels to be such. Angels have never been sons of God... but messengers. The earliest text of Genesis (the Septuagint) calls them angels, not "sons of God." These mated with human females NOT by possessing males... but by putting on flesh. Spirit beings who are not prevented can do so... and in order to mate with flesh (with its blood) and produce offspring... all, excluding God and Christ... would have to do so. Because spirit beings... in their own capacity... "do not marry."

    Second, these weren't "fallen"... yet. They did not "sin"... UNTIL they forsook their PROPER "dwelling place"... which is the SPIRIT bodies God created to "house" the essence of the beings they are. We, flesh with its blood... reside in PHYSICAL bodies... which we received from Adam AFTER he sinned. Adam was made in God's image. Like Abel, Cain, and Seth... WE are made in ADAM'S image... after he sinned. (Genesis 5:3; 1 Corinthians 15:49)

    These unions resulted in offspring, the Nephilim, that were “heroes of old, men of renown”

    Again, this is an error. It was the Nephilim who CREATED these offspring... and they were "of old"... as in of an ancient day of time. They were OLD... as in they grew in age. Significantly.

    Why would the demons do such a thing? The Bible does not specifically give us the answer.

    Actually, it does:

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]." Ephesians 6:12

    The WTBTS would have you think that the "governments" (principalities) of the earth are our enemies. Yet, Christ humbly subjected himself to Pilot and other "rulers," NOT fighting with them... or speaking against them. Even though he could have. He SAID that his kingdom (and thus the of those who belong to him) is NO PART OF THIS WORLD. Thus, dear ones, his enemies... AND THAT OF THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM... are NOT of this world, either.

    I hope this helps... and I bid you peace...

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

    cameo-d posted Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:57:00 GMT(3/22/2010)

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    In all of the various translations these words have been subjected to....could it be that the original intent of the word meant not a physical giant, but rather a eupheumism for far-reaching power?

    Surely George Bush was a giant in that his tyrannical powers were far reaching and by his dictates much innocent blood was shed. The destruction caused by the Bush-Cheny regime was gigantic as it caused ripple effects world-wide.

    I tend to think the word 'giant' is most likely used as a description of power rather than stature in regard to the Nephilim.

    cattails posted Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:04:00 GMT(3/22/2010)

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    F AGuest posted Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:06:00 GMT(3/22/2010)

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    Oh, oops... "and they were NOT 'of old'... as in of an ancient day of time."

    Sorry... and peace!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

    Mythbuster posted Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:21:00 GMT(3/22/2010)

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    M RR posted Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:03:00 GMT(3/22/2010)

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    The Nephilim still exist, they're running the Watchtower organization

    mddriskell posted Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:32:00 GMT(3/22/2010)

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    The Nephilem could not have children, they where hy-breds, kind like a thourobred horse can't have offspring.

    F AGuest posted Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:03:00 GMT(3/22/2010)

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    The Nephilem could not have children, they where hy-breds

    I think you misunderstand me, dear mddriskell (peace to you!). The Nephilim weren't hybrids. Rather, if anyone was, it would have been their OFFSPRING (i.e., the mule... not the horse sire or the donkey mare).

    kind like a thourobred horse can't have offspring.

    Are you SURE?? I could be wrong, but although they have a pattern of low fertility, my understanding is that they do breed, just not always via live cover. They're even often cross-bred, right? To be sure, I checked the Thoroughbred Times and found this:

    http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/horse-health/advances-in-reproductive-health-12-12-06.aspx

    I bid you peace.

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

    Blue Grass posted Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:00 GMT(3/22/2010)

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