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This week's Bible Highlights, verbatim quote: "Jehovah is a Killer..."

    M Open mind posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:59:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    It's amazing what you notice when you go through the Bible again with a changed worldview. This week's Watchtower-assigned Bible Reading is the opening chapters of 1 Samuel. This little gem just jumped off the page at me:

    "Jehovah is a Killer,..."

    OK, I'm just giving you 1 Sam 2:6 (a). Here's the whole verse.

    "Jehovah is a Killer, and a Preserver of life.

    A Bringer down to Sheol and He brings up."

    It might be interesting to ask a JW at the door if they would use the phrase "Jehovah is a Killer" to describe their god.

    om

    M OnTheWayOut posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:03:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    He has killed way more people (let alone animals) than any other person/being/entity including His archenemy Satan. Even combining all others, they don't even come close (despite what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki).

    sabastious posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:05:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    He gets real mad when his subjects don't do what he wants even though he gave us the right to choose. So he kills us.

    M Open mind posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:40:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    Good points OTWO & Sebastious.

    nasticanasta:

    You might want to take another look at OTWO's gender symbol.

    ?From the symbol of Mars (U+2642 ? ). The symbol for a maleorganism or man.
    ?From the symbol of Venus (U+2640 ? ). The symbol for a femaleorganism or woman
    Heartbreaker posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:41:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    Welcome Nasty Canasta. Nice intro. Also? Look up "sex symbols" and educate yourself.

    zoiks posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:43:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    nasticanasta - welcome!

    I would recommend reading the forum guidelines before you post anything else.

    F mrsjones5 posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:47:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    God doesn't kill.....we choose it. I can't believe I just read that here.. and to "onthewayout" I see your picture yet you have the female sex symbol albeit pointed the wrong way..but I would have to guess you're homosexual...

    Well that's a fine howdoyoudo Nasticanasta. Has anyone told you that a refinement of people skills might be in order?

    superpunk posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:47:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    Ancient holy texts, including the bible, when read without a preexisting theological lens, are all appalling.

    "Jehovah" and his buddy Jesus have gone through a myriad makeovers since then, to make them more appealling to our modern tastes.

    JWoods posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:47:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    God doesn't kill.....we choose it. I can't believe I just read that here.. and to "onthewayout" I see your picture yet you have the female sex symbol albeit pointed the wrong way..but I would have to guess you're homosexual...

    And here someone posted that it was a slow day...that may be just about the most impolite first post that I have ever seen.

    M OnTheWayOut posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:49:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    Nasticanasta:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male

    I have the correct symbol; read the wiki entries above or do your own research on the differences. But even if I didn't, I am secure in whatever I am. If someone thought I was a woman, I am okay with that.

    I can't believe I just read that here..

    I am not here to prove anything to you. This is a discussion forum and that was the topic, found in the Bible. While I don't read the original poster's mind, I am confident that he or she (I happen to know it's a HE) was expecting something along the lines of whether God/Jehovah/YHWH is a "killer."

    YHWH killed everyone at the flood, Sodom and Gommorah, he killed many for the Israelites invading the promised land so they wouldn't have to, and according to the JW's (this is a JW/ex-JW forum) He is set to kill billions of people who didn't know Him because they laughed at the nerdy "publishers" at their door or were never called upon because they were born in a country that didn't allow the sales force.

    You can say that last part is wrong. I will agree, but your own Bible tells of the others. It also tells of a God who commanded people to kill women and male children and to keep the little girls after they killed their parents and siblings, then to force them (rape) to have more Israelite babies.

    I don't go around telling Jews and Christians this stuff, but you gotta expect it on a discussion forum that brings up the subject.

    OH, Welcome to the forum. Stick around and enjoy.

    F snowbird posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:49:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    Welcome, Nastic Anasta.

    I agree with you. Here is the real killer.

    John 8:44 "He (the Devil) was a killer from the very start."

    Sylvia

    F Mrs. Witness posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:12:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    Snowbird,

    How many scriptures tell of how many people that Satan killed? Didn't God send the she-bear to kill the children? Didn't God tell the Isrealites to kill anyone and everyone that got in their way of the pursuit of the land of milk & honey? How about the flood? From what I know of the Bible, Satan is only accused of tempting people...I don't remember him killing anyone...torture maybe, but death?

    Mrs. W

    F snowbird posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:17:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    Snowbird,
    How many scriptures tell of how many people that Satan killed?

    Romans 5:12 You know the story of how Adam landed us in the dilemma we're in - first sin, then death, and no one exempt from either sin or death. MSG

    1 Corinthians 15:22 Everybody dies in Adam; everybody comes alive in Christ. MSG

    Satan caused the death of the entire human race.

    Sylvia

    F Mrs. Witness posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:20:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    I don't mean to argue, but I think that's a bit of a stretch. AND, if you compare one scripture to the myriad scriptures that detail God's killing sprees, Satan still has less.

    F snowbird posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:29:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    I don't mean to argue,

    I don't, either; I'm just putting it out there.

    Sylvia

    superpunk posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:33:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    Satan caused the death of the entire human race.

    He doesn't have that kind of power - biblically. No, it was another supernatural being that caused the death of the entire human race, according to biblical lore. Whether you believe Jehovah manipulated Adam's DNA post-sin or booby-trapped him to start, either way Jehovah took direct action to engineer the death of the entire human race.

    Satan doesn't have those skills.

    M Open mind posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:36:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    Sylvia, with respect, please indulge me while I try to slip into a devout Christian mindset.

    Your reply helps flesh out what was going through my mind when I read the verse to myself at the Kingdom Hall. As a Christian, I'm sure you resent the implication that God is a "killer". So why in the world did the Watchtower "scholars" who translated the NWT pick such a negatively charged word in this verse? They could have easily done it like one of your favorite Bibles reads:


    1 Samuel 2:6 (The Message)


    6-10 God brings death and God brings life,
    brings down to the grave and raises up.


    That's much more poetic and much better PR for God Almighty than....


    JEHOVAH IS A KILLER!

    Sheesh Watchtower, wasn't anyone on the translating committee thinking marketing?


    BTW, I'd love to hear Narkissos, Leolaia or The Old Hippie's take on this.


    om

    notverylikely posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:39:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    1 Corinthians 15:22 Everybody dies in Adam; everybody comes alive in Christ.

    Who has Jesus brought back to life?

    Oh, and Job 1:16 - "While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, "The fire of God fell from the sky and burned up the sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!""

    God challenges Satan on Job then God's fire kills random people to hurt Job.

    F snowbird posted Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:40:00 GMT(3/11/2010)

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    SuperPunk, I, and Jesus of Nazareth, disagree with you.

    John 14:30 I'll not be talking with you much more like this because the chief of this godless world is about to attack. MSG

    Open Mind, the WT likes warlike terms. The supposed light in them is really darkness!

    Luke 11:35 “Then watch out that the light in you is not darkness. NASB

    Sylvia

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