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Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true?

    nicolaou Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:47:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit


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    I mean a prophecy made before the event, with specific detail that can be verified in history books.  Nothing vague like 'reports of wars'.

     

    PSacramento Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit



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    Since 6/22/2009

    Prophecies can only be verified AFTER the events and then, one can make a prophecy seem to mean whatever they want it.

    But, Jesus did prophecize the fall of Jreusalem and that some of the apostles would still be alive to see it.

     

    snowbird Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:58:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit


    United States Alabama

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    This one:

    Genesis 1:28 God blessed them:
          "Prosper! Reproduce! Fill Earth! Take charge!
       Be responsible for fish in the sea and birds in the air,
          for every living thing that moves on the face of Earth.   MSG

    We're fulfilling this prophecy right now.

    Sylvia

    sir82 Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:04:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit

    Mongolia

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    But, Jesus did prophecize the fall of Jreusalem and that some of the apostles would still be alive to see it.

    Your assumptions are:

    1) Jesus really said what the gospel writers wrote that he said

    2) The Gospels were written prior to 70 CE

    Many Bible scholars dispute those assumptions.

     

    undercover Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:07:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit


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    Sorry Sylvia...

    That "prophecy" is disputable as you can't prove that God actually said that (or that there is a God to say it).

    Chalam Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:22:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit



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    There are hundreds. In-fact, more prophecies more prophecies have come to pass than we are waiting for.

     

    Anyhow, here's a couple to start with. You won't hear about them in WT land because they want to deceive you with their "spiritual Israel" doctrines.

    Ezekiel 11:17 (New International Version)

     

     17 "Therefore say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the land of Israel again.'

    Isaiah 66:8 (New International Version)

     

     8 Who has ever heard of such a thing? 
           Who has ever seen such things? 
           Can a country be born in a day 
           or a nation be brought forth in a moment? 
           Yet no sooner is Zion in labor 
           than she gives birth to her children.

     

    Here's the coming to pass 

    In November 1947 the United Nations decided on partition of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a UN-administered Jerusalem.[15] Partition was accepted by Zionist leaders but rejected by Arab leaders leading to the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. Israeldeclared independence on May 14, 1948 and neighboring Arab states attacked the next day.

    1948 Arab–Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All the best,

    Stephen

    EverAStudent Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:25:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit



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    First, nothing is indisputable.  Postmodern philosophers will tell you that reality is not real.  sigh...  People can dispute everything, no matter how outrageous the disputation.

    Second, there are many prophecies regarding the Messiah that were fulfilled.  "Scholars" used to use the alleged trump card that all the prophecies were added to the Jewish Scriptures (the Old Testament) after Jesus was born to make it look like He was the Messiah.  All these "scholars" were shown to be in error when the Qumran caves revealed that all those prophecies were present in the Scriptures when they were sealed into the caves at about 125 BC.  One cannot edit scrolls in 80 AD that were already sealed and buried in 125 BC.

    Such prophecies include the fact that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem (remember, even Herod believed that), He would be born of a virgin, He would be resurrected, etc.  Here is a set of passages I wrote down for Inknling on another thread:

    Some of the prophecies that are pretty hard to account for except that they show the foreknowledge of God are: 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12, Matthew 26:15-16), bought potter field (Zechariah 11:13, Matthew 27:3-10), Jesus spit upon (Isaiah 50:6, Matthew 26:67-68), innocent one wounded for the guilty (Isaiah 53:5, Luke 22:64), Messiah to be executed by crucifixion although Jews executed their own by stoning (Psalm 22:16, Zechariah 12:10, 13:6, John 20:25-29), Messiah executed with criminals (Isaiah 53:9-12, Mark 15:27), Messiah's clothing to be gambled over for ownership (Psalm 22:18, John 19:23-24). 

    Finally, the book of Daniel named the names of kings, including Alexander the Great.  Josephus (Anitquities 11:8.5) tells us that Alexander gave the Jews special favors in his kingdom because his name was in the book of Daniel in a favorable manner.

    Blessings.

    Albert Einstein Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:35:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit



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    "Prosper! Reproduce! Fill Earth! Take charge! 
       
    We're fulfilling this prophecy right now.

    Yes, my wife is just calling me to go to fulfill the prophecy.

    See you tomorrow guys

    Albert, the one who fulfills prophecies

    snowbird Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:42:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit


    United States Alabama

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    LOL at AE. 

    Sylvia

    snowbird Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:45:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit


    United States Alabama

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    Sorry Sylvia...

    That "prophecy" is disputable as you can't prove that God actually said that (or that there is a God to say it).

    Nic said Bible prophecies, not who prophesied!

    Sylvia

    DrJohnStMark Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:47:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit



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    There are hundreds of prophecies in Bible so the odds are that at least one of them has come true. But which one has?

    elder-schmelder Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:49:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit


    United States Minnesota

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    NO

     

    elder-schmelder

    sir82 Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:50:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit

    Mongolia

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    Some of the prophecies that are pretty hard to account for except that they show the foreknowledge of God are: 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12, Matthew 26:15-16), bought potter field (Zechariah 11:13, Matthew 27:3-10), Jesus spit upon (Isaiah 50:6, Matthew 26:67-68), innocent one wounded for the guilty (Isaiah 53:5, Luke 22:64), Messiah to be executed by crucifixion although Jews executed their own by stoning (Psalm 22:16, Zechariah 12:10, 13:6, John 20:25-29), Messiah executed with criminals (Isaiah 53:9-12, Mark 15:27), Messiah's clothing to be gambled over for ownership (Psalm 22:18, John 19:23-24). 

    More assumptions:

    1) The writers of the gospel accounts accurately wrote what really took place

    2) They were not inclined to "twist the facts a bit" to make it look like what they wrote fulfilled prophecy.

    Once again, many bible scholars would dispute that.

    For example, suppose the price paid to Judas was really 25 silver pieces. Might not a writer think "wouldn't it make a better story if I write 30 instead of 25?"

    What evidence can you supply that your assumptions are correct?

    poppers Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:06:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit




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    Prosper! Reproduce! Fill Earth! Take charge! 
       
    We're fulfilling this prophecy right now.

    Snowbird, that's not a prophecy, it's more of a command.

    jwfacts Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:09:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit


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    Some came true in the same manner that some of Nostradamus' came true. Anyone can prophesy and have some come true, particularly if the terminology is vague.

    The BIG question I never asked as a JW was "when were the prophecies written?"

    There is no evidence that Daniel was finalised prior to around 200BC or that the gospels were written prior to 70AD and considerable evidence that they were written after these dates. Therefore the most compelling prophecies are not prophetic at all.

     

     

    Olin Moyles Ghost Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:11:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit




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    There are some issues with the OT prophecies about the Messiah.  There are no contemporary recorded accounts of Jesus' birth, life, and death.  The closest we have are the Gospels, and the oldest copies date to the second century--100+ years after he allegedly died.  This is plenty of time for the authors to write about his birth, life, and death in such a way that made him appear to fulfill the OT prophecies.

    The fact that there are contradictions among the various Gospels adds to the likelihood that they were embellished stories.  

    Following Ockham's razor, it is much more likely that something like this happened.

    leavingwt Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:11:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit


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    The WT leaders are oppressive wolves in sheeps' clothing.

     

    So, I guess that prophecy came true.

     

    Elsewhere Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:21:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit


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    I have never seen any "prophecy" in the bible that could even be interpreted in any solid way.

     

    Regarding the "creation of Israel"... if that really was a prophecy about the events in 1947, then the bible should have read something like:

    In November 1947 the United Nations will decide to make a partition of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a UN-administered Jerusalem.[15] Partition will be accepted by Zionist leaders but rejected by Arab leaders leading to the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. Israeldeclared independence on May 14, 1948 and neighboring Arab states attacked the next day.

     

    However, the bible does NOT read like that.  Instead it is vague and open to a thousand different interpretations. 

    I'll give you an example:  On an interesting note, the bible does say:  "I will gather you...".  Now consider that the quote above says that the UN created the Jewish State, this means that if the bible is referencing the events in 1947, the bible is saying that the United Nations is God. 

     


    Son of Man Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:32:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit



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    9“Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.10Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another.

    This was fulfilled when the nations took up arms against those in the Middle East, led by A (so-called) Christian nation. (On account of my name)

    This created civil unrest against those in the Middle East and they took up arms against one another (betray and hate one another)

    t.f.d.s.

    EverAStudent Re: Are there ANY Bible prophecies that indisputably came true? posted Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:52:00 GMT (11/5/2009) edit



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    Ghost wrote: "There are some issues with the OT prophecies about the Messiah.  There are no contemporary recorded accounts of Jesus' birth, life, and death.  The closest we have are the Gospels, and the oldest copies date to the second century--100+ years after he allegedly died.  This is plenty of time for the authors to write about his birth, life, and death in such a way that made him appear to fulfill the OT prophecies."

    Here is the biggest problem with the above presupposition that every gospel author and every epistle writer lied to turn human Jesus into Messiah Jesus:  There are NO extant personal letters, copies of personal letters, or official documents from the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd century from eyewitnesses that dispute that Jesus was born, lived, and died according to the details of the widely circulated gospels.  Such a lack of refutation is all but inconceivable if all the Messianic details had been fictionalized by the those alleged liars called the apostles. 

    In almost all conspiracies in human history the truth and charges of falsification are left behind by the eyewitnesses.  There is virtually none with regard to the gospels and the epistles, suggesting that the apostles told the scrupulous truth.  In fact, those who knew the apostles or their associates identify that the four gospels were already commonly known and in use by the 2nd century AD (see the Canon of Muratori, a letter from Clement of Alexandria, and the writings of Irenaeus).  If the four gospels were already in common use by the 2nd century AD then they had to have been written before that time , which means that eyewitnesses of the events could have read them, critiqued them, and objected if they were in error.  Such objections simply do not exist while thousands of copies and fragments of the gospels do.

    In truth, there is more hard extant evidence that the gospels and epistles are eyewitness accounts of what actually occurred than exists to against them.  Virtually all that is used to challenge the validity of the gospel and epistle accounts are the evidence-poor and unproven aspersions of modern critics.

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