To the "Believers" - A Sincere Question...

Shelby,

I appreciate your candor :)

I was justshowing the reason why so many prefer to put their trust in the written word then in THE word itself.

Whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant, it just is that way.

Heck, even Jesus was not accepted by all, even his own family did not follow him, and his home town did not believe.

And this was Jesus !! the man dude himself !! the Big Cheese !!, all you had to do was listen and open your heart to him, but many still didn't, why?

Because they prefered to put their trust in what they KNEW ( see: passed down as "the truth") rather than trust what they were hearing and even seeing with their own eyes and ears.

I couldn't tell you how m any times I have shown the JW's doctrine to be false, hypocritical and bias, to my JW family memembers only to hear back that "the problem with you is that you THINK you know everything", LOL !!

Fact is, IF I wasn't family and I was a JW elder teling them the eact samething, they would believe in in a heartbeat.

Peace to you!

Yes, just as our Lord is recorded to have said:

"I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive."  John 5:43

Ah, well.  It was prophesied:

" ...go to the house of Israel and speak with My words to them. For you [are] not sent to a people of unfamiliar speech and of hard language, [but] to the house of Israel, not to many people of unfamiliar speech and of hard language, whose words you cannot understand. Surely, had I sent you to them, they would have listened to you.  But the house of Israel will not listen to you, because they will not listen to Me; for all the house of Israel [are] impudent and hard-hearted."  Ezekiel 3:4-7

But so long as he directs me... and sends me... I must share what he gives me:

"Like adamant stone, harder than flint, I have made your forehead; do not be afraid of them, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they [are] a rebellious house. ... receive into your heartall My words that I speak to you, and hear with your ears. And go, get to the captives, to the children of your people, and speak to them and tell them, 'Thus says [JHVH[],'... whether they hear, or whether they refuse."Ezekiel 3:8-11

I am, by NO means the Prophet Ezekiel.  I have aspired to such a position.  Nor am I to say 'Thus says [JHVH]."  But... the SAME Spirit that was in Ezekiel is the One that is in me - I do not lie to you.  And THAT Spirit HAS said to me, on many occasions:  "speak to them and tell them... whether they hear, or whether they refuse."  And when I ask the One speaking, "Who is this, please?" (although I haven't had to do so for some years, now, because I KNOW his voice... umistakably, now), the answer I always receive... ALWAYS... is "I am the Christ."  And when I ask his name, he ALWAYS replies, "I am JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, the Son and Chosen One of the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies."

What, then, am I to do?  What would ANY here do if it happened to them?  They would go and they would speak.  Whether the people listened... or not.  They would be lying if they said they wouldn't... because it really isn't UP to them.  Acts 9:6, 15, 16; 15:16

And so, I go.  And I "speak."  And I will continue to do so, as he directs me... whether folks hear... or refrain.

I bid you peace and thank you for your kind patience.

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

I am, by NO means the Prophet Ezekiel.  I have aspired to such a position.  Nor am I to say 'Thus says [JHVH]."  But... the SAME Spirit that was in Ezekiel is the One that is in me - I do not lie to you.  And THAT Spirit HAS said to me, on many occasions:  "speak to them and tell them... whether they hear, or whether they refuse." 

Since you are not a prophet but carry the spirit of a prophet, What can you add to the body of knowledge that exists. If understanding is actually yours let your light shine  in the darkness. Otherwise I have grave doubts of your sanity.

Snotrag.... nice choice of name for yourself IMHO... it's interesting that you would choose such a 'deep' thread on which to make your first post.... Welcome to the board, Shelby has been here for the better part of 8 years... might I sugest getting to 'know people' before you start judging/nit-picking etc.... I have doubts about your intensions for being here....

I would also like to point out at this time, that it is NOT uncommon for your average JW to believe that their GB carries the spirit of the same prophet and are in constant 'communcation with him' in order to "take care of his earthly posessions"- so to speak....

My questions to you, Snotrag, are thus.... do you have any doubts about the sanity of the WTBTS's GB??? if NOT, then why not??? Do they (the GB) really claim to be annointed prophets???? and if not, then why do they prophesy????

I suspect we will hear nothing but silence as your answers to my questions...

  You may need a tissue for that :)

May you have peace!  Yikes, I meant to say I have NOT aspired to such a position.  I mean, isn't up to ME... the one running... is it?  I was chosen for ONE reason:  NOT because I was someone "special" or "worthy," but simply because I responded when the voice called my name.  I did not beg off... but, out of curiousity... I, well, called the bluff of the One calling me.  I ASKED, "Who IS this, please?"  And the rest is, well, history.

What can you add to the body of knowledge that exists.

I can add nothing to knowledge at all.  Body or otherwise. I can only tell you ABOUT the One who can... and share with you what HE gives me.

If understanding is actually yours let your light shine in the darkness.

I'm tryin', dear one.  I'm tryin'.  This IS my "light," and I have share virtually ALL that the True Light has given me to share.  What that One tells me "in the darkness" I try with ALL of my MIGHT... to say in the light.  I hide nothing.  I say what I hear... and who I heard it from.  I give the honor and glory to the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and to His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHJAH.  And I have tried to do it with as much LOVE as I can possible bring... because, again, the sheep do not belong to me.

That, though, is what I do HERE.  It is my "assignment" for this place.  What I do outside of this "city"... I do not "trumpet."  My "gifts of mercy" are for the eyes of God and Christ, only.  Because it is only by means of THEM that I am able to do such things.  EVERY time... the recipient of such "gift" praises God... and not me.  And that is how it should be.  I... am just a servant.

Otherwise I have grave doubts of your sanity.

Well, given the faith... or lack thereof... of Israel and of the world... that is no surprise.  Again, a slave is NOT greater than his master... and they even went so far as to say my Lord was/had a demon.  That someone thinks me insane is... well, of no consequence.  That I share what I am directed by the Holy Spirit TO share... is of GREAT consequence.  For me... and MY household.  And, possibly, those who hear... and those who don't.

I bid you peace!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

THANK you... and peace to you! 

Oh, and... ewwwwwwww!!  LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Peace!

YOUR servant, and a slave of Christ,

Shel

Why do you assume that I am judging? The statement made by AGuest as well as many other posts by him conmpell the question. If there really is a prophet in our time he will be hard to believe and speak in such a manner as to invite questioning. By his response I see that AGuest is a true believer and a foller of J. That is what I wanted to know. I do not beleive the GB is anymore than a corporate salesman. The Bible has much more in it than the WTBTS sells. This will not be my last post, I hope to have some strong and very deep discusssions here. Keep Smiling.

Shelby is a woman- as am I... ....  but I dont recall every reading anything said by Jesus that only a male could prophesy, or recieve gifts of the spirit... Paul on the other hand was not so, ummmn... you get my point.

Jesus welcomed all honest questions and answered them... wouldn't a true follower of Christ do the same?

I cant honestly say that I follow anyone- I follow truth... I seek truth... and if that truth leads me to Jesus one day and he is the one who answers my call for truth then... I will be compelled to follow. But sadly for now I do lack that important factor- FAITH..... but at least I am honest in this regard.

I look forward to many more deep discussions and reasons to smile.

I do have to ask though... why did you pick that name???  ( I said *pick* LOL)

I'm stuck with a runny nose. I carry 2 or three handkerchiefs and usually have more around. So I try to accept it with humor and thus the name

Aguest, I am confused as to the point you are making? Putting faith in the written word is what people do. If you spoke words to me and I agreed and put faith in what you told me it was from what I heard. It is all about communication. Words are either written, spoken, or even give through sign language. You can communicate through bodily gestures as well. Point of the matter is that all things have to be communicated therefore the written words in tablet form if you may were given to us by GOD.

You write in a peculiar fashion as if though you feel you are inspired in one way or another. What is your whole point of understanding, and please make it simple......

t.f.d.s.

May you have peace!

Aguest, I am confused as to the point you are making?

That since I didn't ask the question, the responses shouldn't have been directed to me?

Putting faith in the written word is what people do.

And so we should do... what people do?  Not sure I totally agree...

If you spoke words to me and I agreed and put faith in what you told me it was from what I heard.

YES, we agree.

It is all about communication.

YES, we agree.

Words are either written, spoken, or even give through sign language.

Among other things, YES, we agree.

You can communicate through bodily gestures as well.

Again, I agree.

Point of the matter is that all things have to be communicated

Agreed.

therefore the written words in tablet form if you may were given to us by GOD.

Those actually IN tablet form, yes... I agree.  The Bible... not so much.  That we should look to the words written in tablet form... OR to the Bible... I vehemently disagree.  Vehemently.

You write in a peculiar fashion as if though you feel you are inspired in one way or another.

My apologies for the "peculiarity." 

What is your whole point of understanding, and please make it simple...

By "point" may I assume you mean "source"?  If so, it would be the Truth, which is my Lord and master, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, who is the Holy Spirit and Son and Christ of God, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies.  That would be the Source of my understanding.  If that is NOT what you meant, then I must ask you to please clarify... as I am not sure I understand.

I bid you peace.

A slave of Christ,

SA

Lillith26: 

With regard to God and Christ, have you not heard that there is “neither male nor female”. . . .  With regard to women who prophesy, please read below. . . .

16 but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:
      17' AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says,
         'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND;
         AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY,
         AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS,
         AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS;
      18 EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN,
         I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT
         And they shall prophesy.—Acts 2:17-18.

5But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved.—1 Corinthians 11:5.

  8On the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and entering the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, we stayed with him.

   9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses. –Acts 21:8-9.

 20 Miriam the prophetess, Aaron's sister, took the timbrel in her hand, and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dancing.—Exodus 15:20.

 4 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.

   5 She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel came up to her for judgment.—Judges 4:4-5.

 14 So Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Achbor, Shaphan, and Asaiah went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe (now she lived in Jerusalem in the Second Quarter); and they spoke to her.

   15 She said to them, "Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Tell the man who sent you to me,

   16 thus says the LORD, "Behold, I bring evil on this place and on its inhabitants, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah has read.

   17 "Because they have forsaken Me and have burned incense to other gods that they might provoke Me to anger with all the work of their hands, therefore My wrath burns against this place, and it shall not be quenched."' –2 Kings 22:14-17.

36And there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher She was advanced in years and had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage,

   37and then as a widow to the age of eighty-four. She never left the temple, serving night and day with fastings and prayers.

   38At that very moment she came up and began giving thanks to God, and continued to speak of Him to all those who were looking for the redemption of Jerusalem.—Luke 2:35-38.

Just a bit of info. . . .  Blessings.

--Inkie

Regardless of what Paul says in 1Timothy 2:9-15, which has been viewed by some scholars as questionable that Paul actually wrote that, Paul mentions a few women by name as having a pormenant palce in the churchs he help set up, Priscila and Phoebe to name two.

Of course no where does Paul say that these two were preachers but the simple fact they are mentioend by name means quite a bit.

Of course, just because Paul said something almost 2000 years ago doesn't mean that it is applicable today, Jesus used a Samaritan woman to "preach" his coming in the GOJ.

Anyone who writes JAHESHUA  for Jesus has more problems than I can deal with.

Am I a believer? I am. Am I going to answer the question you put at the beginning?

Why doesn't the Spirit, which you say motivates you, give you the answer?

I really like the way outlaw phrased it.  I had trouble figuring out what the OP was trying to ask but outlaw made it perfectly clear.