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True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
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True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:42:00 GMT
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Something that opened my eyes as I was re-examining "the truth" was the verse at James 1:27. In the New World Translation the greek word in this verse, threskeia, is translated worship, which is fine except that it hides a more important meaning. This same word can be, and most often is translated religion. For Witnesses, the matter of being the "one true religion" is all important. You are taught that it is vital for survival to identify the true religion and attach yourself to it. But this concept of there being an organized institution that has been selected by God is, under the Christian system, fundamentally flawed. For we need not look externally, but internally. We see from James' statement below (from a variety of translations) that true religion is not institutional, it's personal. For the activities James mentions come from our own heart-felt desire to do good for others and to live according to bible principles -- scripturally, that is the "true religion". I have, with some success, been able to share this point with others to help them see beyond the concepts that so many of us have been indoctrinated with; perhaps it will help someone you know. JAMES 1:27... International Standard Version (©2008) New American Standard Bible (©1995) GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) King James Bible American King James Version American Standard Version Bible in Basic English Douay-Rheims Bible Darby Bible Translation English Revised Version Webster's Bible Translation Weymouth New Testament World English Bible Young's Literal Translation |
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:57:00 GMT
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![]() Syrian Arab Republic Post 3827 of 6292 Since 8/24/2007 |
Nice catch..... For better comparison here is the NWT rendering: (James1:27)27 The form of worship* that is clean(m) and undefiled(n) from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans) and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world. * "Form of worship." Gr., thre·skei´a; Lat., re·li´gi·o, "religion." (m) (Isaiah 1:16)16 Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the badness of YOUR dealings from in front of my eyes; cease to do bad. (n) (1 Timothy1:5)5 Really the objective of this mandate is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. **Or, "bereaved ones." |
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yesidid
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:58:00 GMT
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Maldives Post 990 of 1478 Since 12/11/2002 |
Your thinking makes a lot sense. Even the NWT 1984 Reference Bible has a footnote next to "worship": Form of worship." Gr., thre·skei´a; Lat., re·li´gi·o, "religion .
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:34:00 GMT
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Post 1494 of 5832 Since 7/30/2008 |
Good post.
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:20:00 GMT
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:04:00 GMT
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Turks and Caicos Islands Post 2771 of 4265 Since 6/22/2007 |
I'm not seeing it ultimate reality. Maybe I've had my JW spectacles off for too long. James does seem to be suggesting a body of worshippers who look after orphans and widows as opposed to a body of worshippers who don't. In the next chapter he says from the message bibleJames 2The Royal Rule of Love1-4My dear friends, don't let public opinion influence how you live out our glorious, Christ-originated faith. If a man enters your church wearing an expensive suit, and a street person wearing rags comes in right after him, and you say to the man in the suit, "Sit here, sir; this is the best seat in the house!" and either ignore the street person or say, "Better sit here in the back row," haven't you segregated God's children and proved that you are judges who can't be trusted? from the NIV James 2Favoritism Forbidden1My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. 2Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. 3If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," 4have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? |
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:41:00 GMT
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Quietly Leaving: I think the confusion here comes from the concept and word church or congregation. To understand these we have to look at this in the First Century context because religions have hijacked these words for their own justification. Simply put, the church or congregation are people. In this case, the Christian believers in their various locations. Obviously, true followers of Christ, individually and as a community would engage in the acts James mentions. They would also gather together and pool resources where needed, this would be normal of any people who have something important in common. My point is that true religion and true Christianity are really exercised personally, by our own actions. It is not a hierarchical religious institution or organization with 9 men determining religious law, claiming that have been chosen by God to lead us (or anything similar). |
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JeffT
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:16:00 GMT
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![]() WashingtonPost 2926 of 4138 Since 6/4/2001 |
I think two things are important here. One is the "The Church" as the totality of all believers. I'm a member of an independent evangelical church; but I can regard myself, a Baptist, a Lutheran, a Methodist etc as all members of "The Church." Where we spend Sunday morning isn't part of the criteria.
Secondly I think JW's spend too much time focused on the last part of that verse. They make a huge deal out of not voting etc, but ignore the widwows and orhpans part. |
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:17:00 GMT
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![]() TexasPost 2135 of 3087 Since 12/21/2001 |
I think true religion is more concerned about where a person will spend eternity rather than where they spend Sunday morning. And, ye will not come to me that ye might have life - John 5:40
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BluesBrother
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:34:00 GMT
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![]() EnglandPost 4916 of 5977 Since 10/29/2001 |
A quick check on line agrees that all the translations found, use the word religion here. What do we understand the words to mean? I would say that your religion is understood as the Church to which you belong; Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.. Your worship is the personal thing that you have with God. Individuals in those Churches will vary considerably in the depth of their worship. In the first century, there was only the one Christian religion, it was a given that you belonged to the one group. So what was James talking about? I think not the Church group that one may attend, but your individual worship of God, as evidenced by your actions So perhaps the NWT is nearer the thought than others, even if they are technically correct.? |
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quietlyleaving
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:21:00 GMT
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Turks and Caicos Islands Post 2772 of 4265 Since 6/22/2007 |
take a look at this from Strongs concordance
Strong's G2356 - threskeia θρησκε?α
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) religious worship a) esp. external, that which consists of ceremonies 1) religious discipline, religion Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 4 |
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Narkissos
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:31:00 GMT
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![]() Post 8847 of 9999 Since 9/27/2003 |
Imo the real issue is not with the exact meaning or translation of this particular word (both "religion" and "worship" seem basically correct to me) but the context and perspective of the epistle as a whole. The epistle "of James" is an insider's criticism of post-Pauline Christianity. It is artificially ascribed to James who was known as a foremost opponent of Paul (cf. Galatians), directly contradicts the most famous axioms of Pauline theology (cf. the passage of "faith and works" and many other antagonistic allusions to Romans), but from a quite different angle than "James the Just" could ever have possibly held. He doesn't care about circumcision or ritual law or the ceremonial separation of Jews and Gentiles. His target is the post-Pauline church as a religion of speech (confession of faith, doctrine, teaching roles) instead of alternative moral, and especially social, values and practice, which is apparent from its repeated references to "the rich" and "the poor" (including orphans and widows). Pauline churches sociologically depended on the financial and social protection of wealthy patrons in whose domus they met; the rich among them would naturally enjoy considerable respect, attention and, in (no) time, power. This is, to the author, the "worldly" perspective with which Christianity should practically break free rather than focusing on belief and doctrine (and the official position of teachers). The epistle in general is fairly consistent, and 1:27 in particular makes a lot of sense from this perspective. |
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:18:00 GMT
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![]() Post 6614 of 10011 Since 5/10/2007 |
I wonder how many flagrant violations of that scripture the witlesses are guilty of. They do visit nursing homes and hospitals, but only to detract from field circus (and count that as time anyway). But I doubt that many ever actually do what the above says to comfort them, and to help them in practical ways (and practical does not mean just making sure they get to the Kingdumb Hells and share in field circus, or get their Washtowels and tape transcripts of boasting sessions). Unspotted by the world? I think they do a better job of hiding their involvement in the world's dirty activities. They were NGO members of the UN (that is common apostate knowledge) between 1991 and 2002. They protect pedophiles that initiate force and/or fraud to molest children, and then they silence the victims (and keep quiet, vehemently denying doing such). They are as guilty as anyone else of offenses like DWI, using drugs, thefts, and various loose conduct. What makes it more reprehensible is that they proclaim that it doesn't go on within the religion or that they are aggressive at disfellowshipping those who do engage in those activities. (What they are aggressive in disfellowshipping is anyone that questions the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger).
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:47:00 GMT
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We should not apply all advice of the Scriptures to others, and we every person should apply it to ourselves. Ultimate Reality, Thank you for teaching us a beneficial thing.
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Homerovah the Almighty
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Re: True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27
posted Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:27:00 GMT
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![]() British ColumbiaPost 3501 of 4383 Since 8/30/2007 |
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." |
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