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Hell Does Not Exist

    F megs posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:08:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    This is an interesting interview with John Shelby Spong, who was the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Newark, NJ for 24 yrs:

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=h4x77TtGs3A&feature=email

    M BurnTheShips posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:13:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    According to Spong, not only does hell not exist, but neither does the divinity of Christ, a theistic God, miracles, the redemptive property of Jesus' death on the Cross, his resurrection, his ascension, and many other things besides.

    BTS

    M trevor posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:16:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    Hell does not exist?

    You should have grown up where I did!

    M Devilsnok posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:17:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    Errrrrrr aren't you preaching to the converted here ? Dubs don't believe in Hell

    F yknot posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:18:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    Just received a response back from both my brother and sister (both were raised Episc) after they viewed the clip.

    Brother....he is the Episc anti-Christ

    Sister.....He is going to hell

    LOL....just wanted to share

    M Dorktacular posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:56:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    Hell does exist... Haven't you ever been to a summer District Convention?

    M DJK posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:01:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    If you were in Da Nang in the 60s, you were in hell!

    bob1999 posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:36:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    John clearly does not believe in the word of God.

    If he did he would have to deal with Rev. 20:10

    Rev 20:10 has been read in many ways but one thing is clear.

    That Satan will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Sounds like hell to me. Maybe only hell for Satan but hell none the less.

    Peace

    F Sasha posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:50:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    If you believe the Bible is the word of God: God is a Christian. NO?????? I mean if Christ was with him all the time, right?

    M heathen posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:58:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    If I remember correctly the WTBTS says that hell originally meant the common grave in greek just like sheol in hebrew , the belief that hell is a fiery under world where the souls of the dead are tortured for eternity is from greek mythology , dantes inferno .

    bob1999 posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:57:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    I don't know about the souls of the dead but Rev. 20:10 says that Satan will be in the lake of fire, tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    So for those of us that believe that the Bible is the word of God, there is a Hell for at least Satan.

    Peace

    M Burger Time posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:30:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    Born and raised in Charlotte...represent brother man!

    M Big Tex posted Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:40:00 GMT(7/30/2008)

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    Hell Does Not Exist

    Define parameters please.

    F blondie posted Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:22:00 GMT(7/31/2008)

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    Obviously, he has never attended meetings at a KH.

    http://www.1timothy4-13.com/files/bible/diary.html

    F megs posted Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:57:00 GMT(7/31/2008)

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    I like the ending of that one Blondie!

    Leolaia posted Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:38:00 GMT(7/31/2008)

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    the belief that hell is a fiery under world where the souls of the dead are tortured for eternity is from greek mythology

    There was certainly some influence from Greek mythology (such as the reference to Adam's soul being washed in the Acheron in the Greek Life of Adam and Eve), and this influence increased as time went on, but the Jewish-Christian concept of post-mortem torture in a fiery eschatological place is NOT of Greek origin but rather arose through Persian influence much earlier in the post-exilic period (first attested in Trito-Isaiah in the fourth century BC). Moreover, it involved not the torture of souls (a Greek concept) but the torture of the resurrected wicked (cf. the Persian origin of the notions of resurrection and Judgment Day -- it was all part of the same apocalyptic package in Zoroastrianism and in Jewish apocalypticism). The development of the concept is pretty straightforward (omitting some of the variation found in sources):

    Zoroastrian apocalypticism (probably prior to the third century BC): Ahura Mazda (God) and his agent Saoshyant (the Savior) have a final battle against evil, after which they resurrect the dead; the dead are then judged on Judgment Day, with the righteous being rewarded with eternal comfort while the wicked are burned in fire and molten metal to purify and cleanse them (until they are worthy to be forgiven by God).

    Jewish apocalypticism (second century BC to first century AD): God (and his agent the Son of Man, cf. the Book of Parables of 1 Enoch) have a final battle against evil, after which they resurrect the dead; the dead are then judged on Judgment Day, with the righteous being rewarded with eternal life and bliss while the wicked are burned forever in Gehenna for their sins.

    Early Christian apocalypticism (first and second centuries AD): God and his agent Jesus Christ (= the Son of Man), after triumphing over the powers of evil, resurrect the dead who are then divided in two groups on Judgment Day, with the righteous being rewarded with eternal life and bliss while the wicked are burned forever in Gehenna on account of what they had done.

    F stilin4now posted Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:42:00 GMT(7/31/2008)

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    Here is an interesting article about hell.

    http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D1.htm

    M Burger Time posted Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:03:00 GMT(7/31/2008)

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    Either way I think that guy is awesome, I really dig his theology.

    M heathen posted Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:15:00 GMT(7/31/2008)

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    Very nice bit of history leolaia but I was talking about the dantes inferno hell that christianity adopted at some point . The words death and hades are used in Revelation , the word hell being replaced for hades in some bibles but then they are thrown into the lake of fire , so I have to ask if hades is already a fiery prison for souls then how come it's destroyed in yet another lake of fire ? makes no sense to me .

    M worf posted Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:23:00 GMT(7/31/2008)

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    Thanks Megs, for posting this video.

    If people had realized that religion is nothing but a control mechanism, as he pointed out, as well as a hoax, humanity would have already evolved to great heights.

    Worf

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