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Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
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Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:20:00 GMT
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![]() CaliforniaPost 347 of 375 Since 6/12/2004 |
A (conditional) friend sent me some notes from the talk in Hawaii. Gerrit was the keynote speaker. I am not sure if this was posted already, but enjoy if you have not read this.
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:03:00 GMT
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![]() Post 4033 of 6588 Since 7/1/2001 |
Could an audio file of Losch's talk be made available?
The talk is important enough that it should be documented for all to hear! |
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MissingLink
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:33:00 GMT
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![]() Post 694 of 2493 Since 9/18/2007 |
Surely one of those with a recording could be asked to "borrow" it - not make a copy. |
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:11:00 GMT
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Post 137 of 585 Since 1/10/2008 |
This "talk" is nothing but the laughably inane horse manure that has always been spewed out; it's mindless garbage. Why not use an audio casette for more useful purposes, like capturing a toilet flush on tape.?
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MacHislopp
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![]() Tuvalu Post 1692 of 1718 Since 2/27/2001 |
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thanks for the material. I'll comment later.
By the way did brother Gerrit Losch give the talk in the Pacific Education Center, situated in the Mililani Technology Park ? (Where br. Barry Lloyad died..) Give a look at one of my research... here below:
The homes in Mililani come in a range of floor plans and price levels. All homeowners belong to the Mililani Town Association, a nonprofit organization charged with maintaining the common areas and enforcing the design standards that help to maintain good property values in the community. Castle & Cooke Homes Hawaii MILILANI TECHNOLOGY PARK UPDATE The Mililani Technology Park continues to have increased activity and presence in the community. The State Farm Claims Center had its grand opening on September 4, 1996, which was well attended by State Farm executives and public officials. In addition to the State Farm Claims Center, the State Farm Agency Field Office, a support office for the many sales offices on Oahu, Maui and the Big Island, renovated and moved into 2,000 square feet of brand new office space at the Leilehua Building. Many of you may not know that Oceanic Cablevision is launching a new Internet division. They are gearing up for the next generation of modems called cable-modems, which operate at many times the speed of standard telephone modems. Cable-modems are economical to use and Oceanic, with its island-wide network of fiber-optic cable, is well positioned to take advantage of this technology. Castle and Cooke remains committed to developing MTP. Unlike most business parks in Hawaii, MTP is fee simple. MTP is unique because of the climate, location and design guidelines. For example, the temperature is 6 to 8 degrees cooler than other downtown Honolulu locations. Employees, especially those who live in the area, can save 2 hours per day commuting to work. This means more time at the office or with family, and less stress.
State Farm has been proudly serving the people of Hawaii since 1960. It is the largest insurer of homes in Hawaii. State Farm has agents' offices throughout the state, agency field executive offices in Mililani and Kapolei, and claim offices in Honolulu and Mililani on Oahu; Wailuku, Maui; Hilo and Kona on the Big Island and Lihue, Kauai.
Here is a detailed site map outlining tenant locations and available lots for purchase.
A Virginia-based company, Inter-National Research Institute (INRI) has provided technical support for the Department of Defense since 1966. INRI is an industry leader in the development and installation of Navy battle management systems, dealing with both the conceptual aspects of warfare and the practical integration and optimization equipment.
Kaiser Permanente's 20-acre Hawaii Region Service Center, may serve as the company's headquarters and will include a data center, information service department, reference laboratory, optical laboratory, administrative offices, warehouse and print shop. Kaiser Permanente has made land available for day care services for employees of companies at the Park.
Oceanic Cablevision, a Time Warner cable system, is the state's largest cable television company serving nearly a quarter million subscribers on Oahu with cable TV, digital music and Internet services. Oceanic's 4.3-acre site at the Park houses its headquarters, office facilities and warehouse.
Located adjacent to its new Service Center, the State Farm Insurance Companies' office in the Leilehua Building houses one of the company's agency field office operations. The new office houses one of State Farm's agency field office operations, servicing agents on Oahu, Maui and the Big Island. The office works as a team with State Farm agents to provide quality service to policyholders, as well as assisting agents with the introduction of new State Farm products and services.
State Farm, the largest domestic non-military user of computers, recently moved into its new auto and homeowners operations service center. The facility includes a drive-in estimating garage to assess auto damage using CD Rom to immediately access various networks and scan for estimated costs of parts, labor and time. It also allows its regional offices to communicate electronically with its local claims offices for quick claim assessments.
Founded in Hawaii, VeriFone, Inc. is the world's largest developer and manufacturer of credit card transaction terminals and secure payment solutions. VeriFone specializes in the automation and delivery of secure payment and payment-related transactions to a wide range of markets. The company has more than 30 facilities worldwide including its custom designed headquarters at the MTP for R&D. VeriFone is a publicly-traded company listed on the New York Stock Exchange.
A multi-national, nonprofit Bible educational group, the Watchtower will use its new 53,000-square-foot building at MTP for its Watchtower Educational Center - Pacific. The educational center will be comprised of four conference rooms and one auditorium equipped with multimedia audio/visual equipment with multi-language capabilities to accommodate conferences, seminars and training classes. °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
http://www.planet-hawaii.com/mtp/neigh.htm
http://planet-hawaii.com/mtp/where.htm
J.C.MacHislopp |
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Gayle
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:09:00 GMT
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![]() ArizonaPost 512 of 3462 Since 11/17/2006 |
It seems the only GB members I ever read about here is Jaracz and Losch. I think there are 7 others but never hear of the others. I know Barr is in his 90s, so that is understandable but are the others out there giving any special talks?
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:14:00 GMT
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![]() Post 4034 of 6588 Since 7/1/2001 |
Gerrit Losch should be given some sort of award for having given that talk. Probably the best speculative religio-entertainment that the Witnesses have heard in years!
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:21:00 GMT
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![]() Post 4035 of 6588 Since 7/1/2001 |
David Splane is known for giving in recent years an "anti-education" talk in which he shows he has a particular fondness for plumbing ("Learn Plumbing!") and a specific dislike for the entire field of Computer Sciene ("After 10 years washing dishes at Bethel, what you've learned will be obsolete!").
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kurtbethel
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:39:00 GMT
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![]() CaliforniaPost 221 of 3189 Since 5/20/2007 |
If you could give me a heads up about him going to the San Diego area I would definitely bring an audio recorder so I could share his pearls of wisdom.
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Xavier1
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:51:00 GMT
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If i read and understand correctly this presentation of Gerrit Losch it seems that Babylon the Great is always the false religion, isnt il?
Xavier |
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:01:00 GMT
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![]() Post 4037 of 6588 Since 7/1/2001 |
"Governments will confiscate all religious bank accounts and property."
Here is an interesting question. Suppose that The Watchtower's property including its printing presses, where confiscated. How long could the Jehovah Witnesses exist as a religious organization without any new Watchtower magazines for them to study? I don't think it wouldn't be very long before the various congregations started to diverge from each other. The fragmentation would right away without a central authority telling them all what to think. No new Watchtower magazines or books means no continuance of the Jehovah's Witness religion! |
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Ruth Eeker
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:06:00 GMT
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![]() Post 12 of 84 Since 7/31/2007 |
"There will be a final attack on God's people by the King of the North before Armageddon. We still cannot identify the King of the North and should not speculate (Daniel book page 281). "
I love that people shouldn't "speculate" but they can speculate everything else.....ie. radiation, tsunami, resurrected ones... Crock of ...crap! |
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Save My Soul
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:14:00 GMT
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![]() CaliforniaPost 348 of 375 Since 6/12/2004 |
Now I can understand why I pioneered and did not go to college 20 years ago. The end is close. This is a never ending cycle of recycled garbage. I wonder how long-time witnesses feel about this recycled info.
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Witness 007
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:47:00 GMT
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Post 1015 of 5458 Since 8/28/2007 |
I would sneak in and record these talks for everyone but all you'll hear is me laughing my ass off....."Radiation Haha HA aaaaaah haaa haa......Tsunami's haaa haaaa aaah stop please ha ha ha ha ha..... |
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:59:00 GMT
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Post 1549 of 2584 Since 4/15/2006 |
When the UN destroys false religion, does that include the WBTS? After all, they were a part of it and promoted it as an NGO. I'm sure they would enjoy a part in the play, especially if they finally get to throw some stones.
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:02:00 GMT
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Post 151 of 170 Since 2/8/2008 |
Among protestant denominations there is a standard method for delivering a sermon. The Pastor, Preacher, Minister, etc begins his sermon by reading on average 3 different scriptures. Most of the time all 3 are in different locations in the bible. Those scriptures may or may not apply to the sermon that follows. The challenge many times, if you intend to use that sermon as a tool for learning more about the Bible, is to try and figure out how exactly those scriptures tie into the sermon's message, or had anything to do with the sermon at all. If you pay careful attention to the progression of the message, and if you keep those original 3 scriptures right in front of you, you will find that most of the time the actual message had little to do with the scriptures that were read at the start of the message. It seems as though the scriptures are read at the beginning as a way to cause the audience to assign more "biblical authority" to the message than what it actually contains.
This preacher named Losch seems to use the same method. The difference though is that he sprinkles the scripture verses throughout his message instead of clumping them all together at the beginning. The result appears to be the same as well. The body of the message that he preaches actually has very little to do with the scriptures that he includes. If you list the scriptures in one column and the entire message in another, what he actually says does not tie into those scriptures very often at all. As a matter of fact, even the few times that his spoken words tie into the scriptures, it is an obvious misuse of most of those references and taken completely out of context. The Protestant preachers already know that most of the members of the audience are not going to go home and read the 3 scriptures within their actual context and attempt to align it with the message. It is also glaringly obvious that this JW minister believes exactly the same thing about his audience as well. If a free home "Bible" study included studying the Bible and not just WTBTS literature, the JW listening to this sermon given by Losch would have recognized how far removed from the Bible it actually was. |
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:37:00 GMT
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Please...someone find someone who has a tape of Losch's talk and ask if you can borrow it! |
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:38:00 GMT
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these notes are exactly the same as i posted a few weeks ago- word for word...puntucation mark for punctuation mark. Notice the last sentence about the attendence begins with a parenthesis but does not end with one...exactly as i posted.
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:47:00 GMT
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"these notes are exactly the same as i posted a few weeks ago- word for word" Obviously the notes originated from the same source. It looks like these notes are getting some good email distribution among the JWs, that is good. Forty years from now I am going to hold Losch personally responsible for what he said concerning what the near future holds in store!
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blondie
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Re: Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk
posted Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:59:00 GMT
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There is a link on this page to a talk where Ciro Aulicino discusses the King of the North and the Muslims:
http://www.randytv.com/wteliminated.htmAnyone who has been associated with the Watchtower for some time is aware of how they view the United Nations as being the prophetic ?wild beast? of Rev. 13:17 that stands opposed to God?s Kingdom under the ?anointed remnant,? empowered directly by Satan himself (Gog of Magog of Rev. 20:8). The United Nations was due sometime soon to be empowered by the United States and Great Britain, and to turn on ?Jehovah?s people? to annihilate them.
In the Oct/Dec 2001 issue of the Free Minds Journal it was reported that the Watchtower had secretly joined up with the United Nations as an NGO (Non-Governmental Organization) with the purpose of helping spread the doctrine and agenda of the United Nations (with benefits to themselves, of course). When this was discovered and exposed in the newspapers and on the internet, the Watchtower Public Relations Department was quick to disassociate themselves from the United Nations, and issue a special message to any branch members or elders who needed to provide a response to the news media. The blatantly dishonest answer was that they joined to obtain a ?library card? in order to do research. A similar letter was sent out to certain inquiries on the subject.
Shortly thereafter it was widely publicized and documented that not only did the WT not have to join the UN just to get a library card, but that the Watchtower magazine had already been writing articles that subtly supported the United Nations and its agenda! This is required of any NGO associated with the UN. One of the articles is even listed on the UN website. (http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm)
While at first it seemed that perhaps it was not an actual change of direction, but only an embarrassing affair with the ?wild beast? itself, it now appears quite plainly that the WT no longer states that the UN is the ?wild beast? and even further, that it would only be speculation to say who it would be to launch a future attack on the Watchtower organization! This, coupled with an odd suggestion by Bethel leader Ciro Aulicino in October 2001 that the Muslims may very well be part of the ?king of the North? that will turn and attack Jehovah?s people! (The "King of the North" is generally identified as the United Nations; more specifically as a totalitarian element of it.) Yet Ciro was one of the directors who actually signed on with the United Nations as an NGO representative! Talk about duplicity and confusion at Bethel! For a full treatment on the Watchtower's identity of the "King of the North" and "King of the South," read this article. Ciro Aulicino?s lecture can be listened to here.In this issue we do not review their past hatred for the United Nations, but the major about?face reflected in the Watchtower of June 1, 2003, where they say it is wrong to speculate who the king of the North represents (after years of asserting such things themselves). When you also read about the attempt to sway European governments to accept the WT as a bona-fide religion by stating deceptively that they have no laws against blood transfusions, and that they have no laws against voting for political office (see Free Minds Journal, Fall 1999, Jul/Sep 2000, and May/Oct 2002 issues), it is obvious that Bethel and its legal advisors have been courting individual nations, special interest groups and even the United Nations themselves for favor and mutual cooperation. The advantage to them: new members and financial aid, from none others than the government entities themselves! The Watchtower has become truly apostate from their doctrinal stance of only a few years ago on many CRITICAL issues that previously identified them as ?the only true Christians.? They have become part of the world that they have condemned for the last 120 years, and have even taken upon themselves their own ?mark of the beast? by associating with the United Nations! Add to that their denial of any complicity in the tolerance of sexual abusers of children in their midst (Journal, Jan/Mar 2001 and beyond), even allowing such to go door-to-door, one can see that the days of the Watchtower Society as we know it are numbered. How appropriate are the words of Dan 3:26: ?God has numbered [the days of] your kingdom and has finished it.? (1984 Watchtower Reference Bible) |


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