Afterthoughts on the 3/5/06 article on "Patience"

It depressed me...

While reading this article I could'nt help BUT to feel my self worth plummet. It made me realize one thing about their organization. What your place is among them. As a slave; a slave to their dogma in thinking that the only reason that things are the way that they are IS in fact so that all can convert into witnesses since he does'nt want all to be destroyed.And to prove to the debil his prowess.

Somehow that answer does'nt quite satisfy me right now, at least not like it used to.

Even when I was still going I thought that their reasoning was suspect in the sense that their truth changes every so often.We all noticed how they would "slip" it by the collective every once and a while. We have evedince of this.(blood issue, men of sodom,disfellowshipping, smurfs, ect) But this article, this article was them in it's rarest form. Which bothered me. And with others like my family that would try to pour upon me words of encouragement did'nt mention to me anything about this article. I guess it depressed them as well, but alas the sun is still in their eyes but deep down they know and somehow hate realizing  that they are nothing more than a slave to the society, an ant in their god's antfarm, which was and still from  time to time how I feel as well. And reading that poison; that pure example of curcular reasoning almost drove me to the point of self hate and mutilation. To feel less than zero, to feel like you have NO identity in the society's eyes,makes you feel small, minute....a cog in a big monstrosity that seperates, confuses and depresses those that are in the dark. That are sighing and groaning over how f'ed up the world is. But it's ok...just run to that hall, run to those doors on that beautful saturday morning to wake people up to hear the dogma, run to those meetings where you will hear the same thing everyday but worded differently. Sit there and try to swallow down the explaination of "patience".

I could'nt swallow...I had to spit.

I'm done, hand me the pen and paper.

jojochan.

Jojochan, I felt the very same way! It was pure torture to entertain the same old propaganda again! It worked on me before for years, but now no more. After being dfd and thrown out, one's innocence and trust is gone in an organization that says to keep sacrificing, keep hoping, keep quiet, be patient, and "maybe" God will look with favor on you and spare you when he destroys the world.

Take...and take....and take.....ect. If you a good slave, they give...a   little at a time.IF at all.Which they don't.

jojochan

The self-worth thing was why I finally, finally just gave up going to meetings.  I would feel like such garbage afterwards and just couldn't take it any more.  I'd reached critical mass and felt like I'd go crazy if I didn't take some time off.  Of course, I still believed the lie, so this was strictly an emotional response to all of the mental abuse the WTS "lovingly" heaps upon its people.  You know the truth about the org, so I'm sure its even more difficult to sit there and listen to their stupid BS.

 

Yes, it was like taking a beatin' from somone that "loves you", "this'll hurt me more than you" sort of thing.

what's more difficult is having family that really believes this dogma and accept it. You know that the sky is blue and that the earth is round and the water is wet, but they do not. And it's so obvious to you and everyone else outside the box. They will wait....and wait.....

jojochan.

expectation postponed...is making the heart sick

(((anewme)))

That tells you something does'nt it? Deep down I knew what the problem was. But buried it deep down inside myself, and was making myself sick to my belly. They warn us of"spiritual drowsyness" that's what they call it. To cure this ailment they perscribe a healthy dose of feild service, full meeting attendance, ect. It would work only on those that still can swallow it done and accept it. Those that can't turn to things to suppress their doubts.

I know....because I tried to suppress them as well, but it did'nt work.

So now the painful part is to dissapear altogether. I can no longer sit on their fence.

That will hurt, but I will survive.

jojochan.

JoJochan,

Your comment is exactly what I identify with, and I'm still in.

It's a very powerful study for those who still believe, the idea that we should be THANKFUL for God's patience as he sits upon his throne and counts people who repent.

Never mind those being born.

Never mind the population increase.

We should be thankful.

Are we not grateful? questions the wicked WT likes to use, to explain away the enormously long delay of the ever nearer and urgent big A.

Articles like these depressed me more, and yes, I did realize deep down, I was a SLAVE.

They're wicked to do what they do - sometimes I wonder if Satan is writing this stuff, because any freak on the writing committee who could deliberately write such an article, knowing full well the history of the org, and it's disappointments, would have to be either high on drugs or else just pure evil.

It's like dangling a carrot in front of a rabbit and then pulling it away when the rabbit goes to bite.

 

I happily missed that article and that meeting, and don't have a strong desire to read it ...so if you get the chance could you describe the gist of what the the article was saying for us slackers?

Whenever I read something like that, I think satan IS. And it hurts to see the old, the young, the so-called well versed in the scriptures, "their" scriptures; have the wool pulled over their eyes. But they like it in a sado masochistic way . I thought I did, but I knew deep down something was horribly wrong. When they ask us questions like those that were mentioned in that article it punches me in the gut hard and lets me know why I don't have any desire to sit through that anymore.

I spit, not swallow since it's lukewarm and nasty to me.

The jist you ask?

KNOW YOUR PLACE....BOW YOUR HEAD GIVE OBEDIENCE WITHOUT QUESTION.(to a certain extent)

jojochan.

I hate to break it to the WTS, but there was NOT ONE person sitting through the ritual WT study yesterday at our hall that is losing patience with Jah, or, that thinks that Jah is "slow regarding his purpose."  It was insulting to sit through it!

  yah well , who was the one that kept pressing the end is near button ? The R&F or the book publishing corporation ? Who are we to be patient with , God or a book publishing corporation that continues to print false information while claiming it's the truth and from "Gods channel of communication"?  Last I heard they are now editing the Daniel and Revelation books because some new light shown out their ass .

Wow, I really couldn't put a pin on it until you said something. That was that feeling when I left the meeting tonight. I participated and even read scriptures, but as they went through the last part of the service meeting I couldn't focus, all the words they were saying to go help people b/c its the time of the end - that is why we get all the different presentations because we're really trying to save them. Bullshit! If we are suppose to feel saved, how come I leave the meetings feeling worse than I did when I walked through the door? I have a feeling my time will be shorter than even I might think.

THOSE presentations? Those presentations already worded in THEIR words? Long ago they did'nt have that, you could at least put it in your words. The society has made it more and more easier for you not to push out a thought. They did the same thing with their public talk outline. That's why they always stressed to the elders to have a spare outline of the talk to see if the speaker stays to the outline, and not spout of words from the,"evil slave".

I know, I used to give sunday talks.

jojochan.

Just like with our little dogs. When we rattle the car keys and get their leashes out they go bonkers. If we did it over and over but never took them for a drive to the park they would soon loose heart.

And when I read that article, that's what I felt like...a dog scurring around it's master for a walk outside or scraps from the dinner table.

jojochan.

The Borg always manages to confuse (in the minds of the faithful)  the words of  God with thr writings of the WTS .. If we became disolusioned because we are in the second half of the first decade of the twenty first century and the New World still has not come, we took issue with the writers of the books and magazines - not the Bible which does not give any dates.

That was not the point. We came to a sad conclusion that the Organization that promised the end in 1914, then 1925, then on or about 1975 , now any time soon. That organization was simply wrong. It was out of step with God. It could not be directed by the Holy Spirit.. So why bother with the opinions of writers who are just men with no more insight than the rest of us?.

Yes yes yes!  That's it! 

Josie

Yes, but i have a problem when they say the light's getting brighter and brighter. And then change doctrine, and use misplaced scriptures to supprot their reasonings. I have a problem with that. Just look at the "Satan" w.t study articles, or better yet don't.

It's a waste of time.

jojochan.