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RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
Terry
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RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:28:00 GMT
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The impossible can be fun. Let's have some fun!! The night has come to Beth Sarim mansion as President Joe Rutherford (the "Judge") sits cleaning his pistol and sipping whisky from a flask on the edge of his silk sheets at bedtime. There is a knock at the bedroom door. "Come!" the Judge growls. The finely polished door opens and into his bedchambers steps a newly resurrected Charles Taze Russell with full beard (minus mustache) and naked as a jaybird. Rutherford glances up and spills his flask, dropping the pistol to the floor. The gun hits on the cocked hammer and a bullet whizzes through Russell's beard penetrating the oak door jam. "Great Zion!, what's going on here", the Judge roars as he woozily tries to leap to his feet. "Oh, stifle it Joe. I'm an Ancient Worthy returning to claim the mansion. I want you out now!" Russell scratches the hole in his beard and saunters over to the chest of drawers next to Rutherford's bed and begins opening drawers. "Ahh, pajamas!" Russell grins. "Stop! STOP! You..you maniac...I'll have you arrested!" the Judge screams and then suddenly pauses in mid breath to appraise the figure before him. It dawns on him quickly----the man really is Charley Russell! Immediately his legs lose strength and he falls back on the bed. The whiskey flask catapults into the air and clunks him on the forehead with a "ping". "Oh, dear Lord...oh dear Lord..." this is terrible...just terrible..... "What's terrible about me returning, Joe? You told everyone at the assemblies the Ancient Worthies would return." "No, not that", Rutherford groans, "I spilled my whiskey all over the sheets. It was my last till the new shipment comes. Ohhhh...." Russell begins putting the pajamas on. "What's so bad about that, Joe?" "PROHIBITION, that's what's bad about it! Started 5 years ago. Those idiots made it illegal to buy or manufacture alcoholic beverages!!" Rutherford sits up and rubs the bump on his head, then, slyly grins at the sight of Charles Taze Russell wearing his polka dot silk pajamas. "What's so funny, Joe?" "Heh he he, you are one scrawny sumbitch! Always looked anemic to me." His smile fades. "Say, why don't you have a Perfect Body?" Russell finds a chair near the bed and scoots it across the fine Turkish carpet and seats himself next to Rutherford's bed knee to knee. "Listen, Judge, there are more things in heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy". "Huh?" "Shakespeare....I think." Russell begins weaving the hairs of his beard into little Hassidic braids and then unwinding them as he speaks. "Joe Rutherford, listen to me. I speak in the name of our Lord as his Faithful and Wise Servant...." The Judge interrupts. "No no no. Now just hold on a second. That's not kosher anymore. We changed all that. You aren't the mouthpiece of Jah---I AM!" Russell glares and stands up looking down on Rutherford's bald pate. He points a bony finger in his eye. "You sir---are a THIEF...a common thief! You were NOT designated to take over the corporation. It was in my will!! You are not my APPOINTED successor. By what right do you make changes?" The old voice is shrill and raspy and the eyes bulging from their watery sockets. Rutherford jumps to his feet and pushes the boney finger aside and walks past Russell to the doorway. He opens the door and points to the empty space in the hallway. "Get out you greybeard looney!" Russell doesn't budge. He smiles and sits down on the whiskey flask. Flinches, pulls it out of his behind and tosses it at Rutherford. Rutherford closes the door calmly and sits in the chair where Russell had been sitting. "Now look, Charley, what I did was LEGAL and pretty damned clever. I pulled a finesse. You know what a legal finesse is? (Russell is motionless). "I'll tell you what it is....it is an indication that I'm the one with the brains to get this religion into mainstream on a paying basis. We've pretty much used up your personal fortune. Now it is time for the brethern to give back. I've given them work to do that generates some real cash flow!" Russell lies back on the cushy swan's down pillow and crosses his ankles staring up at the canopy over the bed. He purses his lips and then turns his head to Rutherford. "Racketeer would be more accurate than thief. You are a racketeer, Joe. You want to take what was a beautiful idea and turn it into a racket; a---what did you call it? Ah yes, a 'mainstream" religious sect...or cult. Why? Why would you destroy my work like this? Just for money?" Rutherford stands up and his eyes grow very large. He holds his index finger aloft and says, "Bingo!" He climbs up on the chair and reaches into the light fixture. Pulling out a small flask of whiskey he pulls the cork and chugs back a gulp. "Ahhh." "Now, what were you blathering about, Pastor Russell? I'm a what? A crook? A Racketeer? Pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me." He climbs down off the chair and takes another hit from the whiskey and replaces the cork. "Follow me old man!" Rutherford leaves the bedroom without looking back. The two men reach the bottom of the stairs and Rutherford gestures broadly to Russell. "You see all this? It isn't for you as an Ancient Worthy. It is really for me. The boys at Bethel wanted to get me out of their hair. Why? Because I'm tough and foul-mouthed? No, because I don't put up with crap like YOU DID!" Rutherford leads Russell throughout the mansion stopping now and again to point out the valuables, antiques, carpets, silverware and crystal as he speaks. Russell peers appraisingly each time and nods in appreciation. "Pastor, you poured a King's Ransom into the Bible Students and what good did it do? No, don't answer--I'll tell you. You fed alot of people a load of crap and nothing more. But, you did do one thing right. You got people busy. Busy christians are valuable as an asset to the corporation". They stroll into the garden area and the men pause in front over the various floral groups and hedges as they chat. "Now Pastor, it doesn't really matter much that you got them all excited for nothing---I mean, Armageddon didn't come in 1874, did it? You thought it would and even promised God told you it would--don't deny it! Do you know what year it is now?" Russell shrugs. "I916?" "Ha ha ha ha ha. No, you bewhiskered old fool---it is 1925!!! You've been dead NINE years! And, guess what? There is STILL NO ARMAGEDDON! Ha." Russell, truly bewildered, begins to weep but no water comes out of his eyes. "That cannot be true, Joe. It cannot be true. I am alive! That means the resurrection has happened if I was dead. No Armageddon? How?" Rutherford motions for him to sit on a concrete bench in front of a flowing fountain. The evening air is turning brisk in Southern California. The stars begin to show in a clear sky. Somewhere a dog begins yapping at a noisey neigbhor. "Sit here Charley. Here, have a snort of rye whiskey. It will put whiskers on your balls!" Russell turns his head disgustedly. "Fine, more for me then." Rutherford takes a slug of rye and wipes his lips. "Here is how the cow eats the cabbage. Listen up and be quiet." Rutheford stands and begins giving a lecture as though he was in front of a jury of tired old businessmen. "Your money is the only thing that carried you as far as you went, Charles. Or, Pastor Charles, if you like. That and your wife, Maria!" Russell gives him a poisonous look and grunts in disgust. "Stings you to hear it? Well, it is true. It was Maria who came up with the doctrine of Faithful and Wise Servant and she applied it to you. That made you a product, a Brand Name, if you will. You became the Mouthpiece of the Lord. Your money, your publishing company and your colporteurs advertised the Pyramid nonsense and made it work. Ya got people all stirred up and Millennial. Don't deny it." Russell opens his mouth to protest, thinks the better of it and motions for Rutherford to finish. "People love END TIMES. It is delicious and exciting. They get themselves all in a lather about the coming of the Lord. Ya know why? I"ll tell you and you know in your heart it is true. People love to get worked up over the Armageddon business because it is the only damned thing that can make them feel like this bible crap IS REAL!!" Russell leaps to his feet in a self-righteous zeal, "Stop that blasphemy you contemptible cur! Don't speak about our Lord's revealed word in such a venal tone! He will strike you dead on the spot!" Rutherford makes a mocking face and smiles, "Okay, Strike me down now, Lord----if you are up there--out there, over there----umm, where exactly is the Lord this evening, Pastor?" Russell pulls himself up to full height and tilts his head back in disdain. "The Lord is watching you and weighing every word that falls from your blasphemous lips. You have been weighed in the balance and found lacking!" Judge Rutherford pulls back his smoking jacket and points to his cummerbund with the holster. "See this pistol, Pastor, that is the only word of the Lord that can speak around here." Russell points to the empty holster. "Oh." The Judge says quizzically. "I forgot I wounded your beard with it. Sorry about that. You startled me." Russell beckons for the Judge to sit beside him in a gazebo near the center of the flowered walkway. The Pastor speaks quietly building up a head of steam as he goes. "I sincerely believed every word I wrote or spoke in my lifetime. You wouldn't understand that, would you? No, you are a lawyer. A lawyer is all about getting a thing done regardless of it being right or wrong. A judge, in fact, is the one who decides what is right and wrong--does he not? You speak it---and it is now a legal truth. That has obviously become a habit in your thinking." Rutherford burps. "Judge, you are an ambitious and ruthless fellow who saw a good thing with certain potential and you found a .....for want of a better word..."legal" way of stealing it. Yes, I said STEALING. I specified in my will who should succeed me and you invalidated my wishes. The corporation was mine, bought with my money and hard work---and you have destroyed my life's creation." Rutherford sneers at this. "Ho ho ho, I see you admit it is YOUR creation and none of the Lord's doing." Russell turns defiantly. "The Lord used me as his instrument to prepare the way for his Kingdom. I prepared people and made certain their attention was on His coming. I pointed the way like John the Baptist did...." "Ha!" Rutherford spits the words out of his mouth along with a sip of whiskey, "Ha! You published claptrap, nonsense and gobblety-gook. It was all puffery and nonsense. You were wrong about every thing you were CERTAIN you were right about. You kept having to change what you were sure about. If the Lord was working through you he was himself a bumbling fool." Russell, aghast, can only shake his head. A chill flows through the garden and the gazebo begins to move slightly as a breeze catches the leaves and flowers. Rutherford contines. "You bought and paid for the best and most convincing charletons to produce a dog and pony show of charts, timelines, chronologies and such. I know why. Do you? You wanted your childhood indoctrination by your mother to have some truth in it. You knew her fanaticism was extreme and severe---so--you chose a kinder and gentler Jesus. Your father's haberdasher business taught you how to organize and get people to work for you. Mostly, it taught you how to make a business pay off. Am I wrong so far?" Russell is shivvering in the cold now. He sticks out his lower lip and reaches for Rutherford's whiskey bottle. The Judge passes it approvingly to the old Pastor and watches with a fatherly smile as the old man chokes down a warm glow of Prohibition Booze. "You didn't know my mother, Joe. She was a pistol. All she talked about was Hell this and Hell that. She scared sweet Jesus out of me. Scottish hellfire is the worst.". Rutherford takes the bottle back and corks it. He pauses to gaze up at the night sky that looks now like spilled talcum powder on a black suit. Shaking his head to clear it, he continues in a moderate tone of assured confidence. "You built a religion and a Jesus who didn't scare you and who offered a nice reward without hellfire. You had to convince yourself first---and you found people with a salesman's glib patter who could make it sound real. The invisible Jesus who rules now is a real twist of genius. But, you fumbled it badly, Charley, you really dropped the ball. You were too confident that your writings were the whispers of God. You didn't know any more than anybody else did what was going to happen, when or why. The Great Pyramid gave you a concrete (or should I say limestone?) example to convince others" "Oh stifle, Judge. Just stifle." "Ha! Maria figured you out pretty quick, didn't she? You were not a husband in the bedroom with her and she was willing to accept that until she caught you with that young girl---your ward--what was the name?" "Shut up! You don't know what you are talking about! That was evil rumor and nothing more." "Right, Pastor. Right. And I'm not a drunken Judge either. But, I digress.....through your mismanagement of Miracle Wheat and showing yourself to be a phoney scholar on the witness stand who could not read simple Greek sentences you blew your cachet of authenticity. But, the faithful few still regarded you as all they had to point their way to the Promise. Many stayed to see what you'd come up with next. But, you died. That was callous of you, Charley. You ripped their hearts out and left them alone with an Unfinshed Mystery titled, ironically: The FINISHED MYSTERY. Ha!" "Well," the Pastor began, "the Lord saw fit to take me unto him." "Oh?" Rutherford looked mockingly quizzical. "Is this heaven and am I the Lord?" "Well," the Pastor halted. "I ....I just don't know." Rutherford beamed brightly. "You never did, you old fool! You just THOUGHT you knew." The two men slowly rose and walked back into the house out of the night air. They settle in at the vast kitchen area at the dining table. Rutherford pours them each a thick shot glass full of rye and they begin smoking long cigars from Cuba. Thoughtfully, Russell muses..."Yes, I was convinced the Lord was speaking directly through me as his mouthpiece. You know what helped me believe that? Not the failed prophecies and the wrong dates, surely, but what really made me believe in myself was......the look in the eyes of the brethren when I met with them and spoke to them face to face. They looked at me AS THOUGH the Lord were speaking through me. You know what that feels like to a man like me? IT IS EVERYTHING!" He cooed wonderingly. Rutherford snorts dismissively, "Oh I saw that myself. I personally HATED IT. Those people are idiots. I'd rather do what Machievelli said. You know what he said? "I'd rather be feared and obeyd than loved." That is my motto. It works better than your method. I wear a pistol and I have bodyguards. I have a chauffer and a flask of whisky. I turn my death ray of words on all my enemies. You know who my enemies are? The bigshots with all the fame, glory and money. I put myself right up there on their level...You know how? I put myself HIGHER MORALLY than they are. I condemn them! It works, Charley, it works. They fear me and hate me. I'm hot stuff as a result." Russell shakes his head and tugs his beard causing the few braids to fall out. "It's all about you, then, Judge? The Lord is nowhere to be found?" Rutherford looks straight into Pastor Russell's watery eyes, "It is all about POWER! I now have the power to keep people busy and spread the brand name around and make it worth some real cash. I'm working on a real brand name to top the current bestseller: CHRISTIAN. You have to have a brand name, you see, to advertise and promote your goods. I sell hope and protection against the most fearsome of all adversaries. No, not Satan, but Jehovah himself!! Jah can whoop Satan's ass in any baroom brawl and everybody knows it. I want people to fear the LORD HIMSELF. Then, I present myself as god's best friend and I'll put in a good word for them IF I approve of the work they are doing on my behalf." "Disgusting", Russell frowns and closes his eyes in pain. He rubs his temples and heaves a long sigh. "No, it works. My new brand name will be revealed eventually when I work out the kinks in the theology of it all. It will contain the divine name, though, I'm sure of that. A real attention getter. For now, I have to find ways of setting the new brand off from the competition. You see, our religion has to have not only a brand name, but, a different quality to it. Our brothers and sisters have to appear more devoted, faithful and righteous than mainstream Christainity. We'll get lots of publicity each time they don't salute a flag, don't say the pledge, don't celebrate a birthday, don't go for Christmas and Easter or serve in the armed forces. We'll get free publicity everywhere because.......you know why? Do you? Because people will HATE US for being so superior! Ha ha ha ha. Why, we'll even be willing to die for our faithful stand!" Russell can stand no more. He gets up and pushes the dining chair back away from the table. "You have to be stopped, Judge. You are dangerous. You've wrecked everything I ever stood for. I'm going to stop you." Rutherford beckons for Russell to follow. They climb the stairs. Re-entering the bedroom, Rutherford reaches down on the floor and picks up his pistol. He checks the cylinder to determine how many bullets remain. "Pastor Russell, I misjudged you. Which is ironic for a man called JUDGE, is it not?" Rutherford chuckles out loud having a good laugh, then continues. "I buried you and your faithful and wise servant image. I've taken it upon myself and the other boys who do my bidding. We're in the process of scuttling the Great Pyramid teachings too. We are replacing your work with a real campaign of door to door work that will bring Christendom to its knees. I prefer the time-tested formula of CARROT AND STICK. Paradise and Heaven are the CARROT and Armageddon is the STICK. I'll play up one and balance it with the other over and over again. When the brethern get sluggish or backslide I'll pull out the stick you used inadvertantly: DATE SETTING! That will bring the money flowing in. When the date comes and goes without anything happening---well, I'll do what you always did: I'll be humble and show how eager we were for Christ's promises to come now. I'll even turn it back on them if they get surly about it. A certain amount of turnover is to be expectd in every business...uhm, I mean, Religion." Russell, aghast, reaches for the telephone...but, Rutherford points the pistol at his face and shakes his head from side to side. "I wouldn't do that, Pastor. You only live once, you know." Russell decides the Judge is bluffing and picks up the receiver anyway. "Last chance, Pastor, I mean it. I don't know how you alone came back to life or why you are here, but, I can't let you stop my success from happening. I'm a mover and a shaker and things are starting to move. People will believe ANYTHING you tell them if you put fear behind it." Russell turns to leave. "I can't listen to any more of this. You are obviously quite insane." As Russell reaches the door, the sound of three loud blasts shake the windows and echo against the wood panelling. Russell's falls to the floor with a loud thump and groans once, then twice, and a death rattle brings only silence. Rutherford watches impassively as the cordite smoke swirls in curlicues around him. He reaches for the tug cord and summons the help. Perhaps his chauffer can lift this old man into a gunny sack and dump him in the Pacific Ocean before sunrise. Rutherford takes another long swig on the bottle and lays down upon the bed to rest for a moment as the sound of footsteps running up the stairs is heard. "Sir? Sir? Judge, sir? You rang for me, sir?" The voice wakes Rutherford from a deep and troubled slumber. "Huh, the hell you say?" Rutherford's eyes open like a kitten. "What are you blubbering about?" "Sir, you summoned me. Did you have another of your nightmare's sir? If I might caution you sir, that bootleg booze can be quite deadly, you know. Homemade booze has poisoned many people. It is in the papers. Really sir, you should be more careful. Wait for the shipment to come in from Canada." Rutherford pushes the man away. "Remove the body, will you? Before sunrise?" "What body, sir?" Terry Walstrom |
ezekiel3
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:00:00 GMT
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Brilliant writing. You dialog style is very impressive and this a great means for "discovery" without reading a bunch of dry history.Makes me think this could be the feature in a short story collection...The Apostate Apocrypha? |
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:13:00 GMT
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Terry..you should let Randy put this over at freeminds. Stellar!~Hill |
BrendaCloutier
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:25:00 GMT
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Vanuatu Post 3048 of 5576 Since 7/10/2004 |
Brilliant! The Ghosts of Chrisians Past!
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:01:00 GMT
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Excellent! Really enjoyed reading that.
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:57:00 GMT
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This is GENIUS!!! Excellent!
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:19:00 GMT
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Edit: I got to stay way from the submit button...ah well.... Fine piece of writting...mighty fine...enjoyed...
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Fri, 05 Aug 2005 00:15:00 GMT
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The Ghosts of Chrisians Past! Hopefully will become a classic and be read to dub children each year at Christmas. |
Terry
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Re: Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:07:00 GMT
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How about a one act play on Broadway? :) T. |
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:12:00 GMT
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I enjoyed that piece very much. I keep reading a lot of creative posts on this forum and think that someone should publish an anthology of essays and stories like yours (or my Watchtower History haiku
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Just to quibble about two minor things....Russell did not ever expect the end to come in 1874 (this was held by his second Adventist forbearers), but accepted Barbour's rationalization that Christ became invisibly present that year. And I don't believe Beth Sarim was in existence yet in 1925.
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Terry
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Re: Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:32:00 GMT
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Just to quibble about two minor things....Russell did not ever expect the end to come in 1874 (this was held by his second Adventist forbearers), but accepted Barbour's rationalization that Christ became invisibly present that year
Russell, in THE TIME IS AT HAND, gave a bogus chronology that pre-echoed what Freddy Franz would later do concerning the 6,000 years of human existence coming to a close. In Russell's case he picked 1873 as the end point. Franz, of course, selected 1975. Both men used this crackpot notion to imply, suggest and predict that Christ would begin his reign at that point. "The Scriptures show that the Second Presence (of the Lord) was due in 1874...this prove shows that the Lord has been present since 1874." In regard to the Great Disappointment, Russell had a very odd opinion about it. He stated that "Without a doubt the hand of the Lord was in it." In THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON, Russell states clearly: "Our Lord, the Appointed King, is now present, since October 1874 A.D." And I don't believe Beth Sarim was in existence yet in 1925 Rutherford purchased the lots in 1926. I don't think it was completed until 1928. I thought about that on my way to work today; that I should have maybe said 1928. I think I'll try and go back and edit that in now. Thanks for the head's up.
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:50:00 GMT
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In particular, I was responding to the following statement: "Now Pastor, it doesn't really matter much that you got them all excited for nothing---I mean, Armageddon didn't come in 1874, did it? You thought it would and even promised God told you it would--don't deny it! Do you know what year it is now?" This is specifically that Armageddon would come in 1874, not that Christ became present or 6,000 years would end in 1874. The Millenium has dawned, but the distress of Armageddon would not begin until the harvest is underway and it would intensify until 1914. I think your statement works just as well if "1914" replaces "1874". |
Terry
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Re: Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:21:00 GMT
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This is specifically that Armageddon would come in 1874, not that Christ became present or 6,000 years would end in 1874. The Millenium has dawned, but the distress of Armageddon would not begin until the harvest is underway and it would intensify until 1914.
I think your statement works just as well if "1914" replaces "1874".
The Watchtower Society (aka FDS) right now has your viewpoint when it references Russell in its publications. But, what exactly were Russell's expectations? I have in front of me a splendid compilation of quotations which Randy Watters had the genius to assemble under the title: SPIRITUAL FOOD AT THE PROPER TIME. Let's go through it and figure this out together. It should be fun. (Bold black headers are publication titles, often included in Studies in the Scriptures.) THY KINGDOM COME: "Reckoning from A.D.539 the 1290 symbolic days ended in 1829...Thus it will be seen that the separating work of the Miller movement had its beginning at the time foretold-at the end of the 1290 days, 1829". What is special about this quote is that it makes William Miller a fulfiller of prophecy simply by virtue of his getting people's attention centered on the Second Coming! Accuracy of prediction plays no part in arousing Russell's disdain or disapproval!BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON: 1833: Our Lord's words found a fulfilment (though not their complete and only fulfilment, as we shall see later) in the wonderful meteroric showers of the early morning of Nov. 12,1833. Those inclined to quibble by urging that 'the fixed stars did not fall' are reminded that our Lord said nothing about fixed stars falling, and that fixed stars could not fall: their falling would prove they are not fixed." This is typical Watchtower logic, is it not? And, shameless pointing to an irrelevent event while attaching a bible significance for purposes of pretending prophecy is at hand.DIVINE PLAN OF THE AGES: 1872: "THERE ARE EVIDENCES THAT- Six thousand years from Adam ended in A.D. 1872." THE TIME IS AT HAND: "For be it distinctly noticed that if the Chronology be altered but one year, more or less--if we add one year, say to the period of the Kings or the Judges, or if we make it one year less--it would spoil the parallelism." 1873: "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of CHRIST'S REIGN, began in 1873." Huh? The first sentence makes mush out of the second sentence...doesn't it? Is it 1872 or is it 1873?1874: "The next chapter will present Bible evidence that 1874 A.D. was the exact date of the beginning of the 'Times of Restitution,' and hence of our Lord's return." Oh, dear! Now which is it? 1872/1873/or 1874??? One year more or less would SPOIL the parallelism? My head is spinning.THE NEXT SENTENCE IS OF SPECIAL NOTE. PLEASE READ IT CAREFULLY!THY KINGDOM COME: "THE LORD DID NOT COME IN 1844, AND THE WORLD WAS NOT BURNED UP WITH FIRE...this was a great disappointment to those 'holy people' who had so confidently looked for Christ (Michael) then to appear and to exalt them with him in power and glory. But, notwithstanding the disappointment, [Miller's] movement had its designed effects- of awakening an interest in the subject of the Lord's coming, and of casting reproach upon the subject by reason of mistaken expectations. We say designed effects because without a doubt the hand of the Lord was in it." I personally find this statement to be stunning; but, at the same time revealing of the expectation attched to the Return of Christ.Russell took over, as it were, from Miller (and other Adventists) in rescuing the CONCEPT while smoothing out the disappointments by reasonable parallels in scripture. The main task set for Charles Russell would be explaining WHY DESTRUCTION had not happened if Christ really was back in office as King! The two ideas were attached like Siamese twins. Russell tried to eat his cake and have it too! C.T. Russell taught that 1874 marked "the start of the Battle of Armageddon". His burden was stretching the concept of Armageddon into a prolonged period in which judgement itself by Christ would include separating sheep from goats by faithful christians before the real fiery destruction commenced. This is where Bible parallelism was too weak and he had to resort to props like the Great Pyramid for support. Modern day Watchtower explanations have gone back again and again to this time period to chip splinters off the multitudes of contradictory pronouncements to make them seem more reasonable and believeable. But, they can't get past the iron-clad certainty by C.T.Russell that he was 100% right. Such as this quote: "It is on the basis of such and so many correspondencies-in accordance with the SOUNDEST LAWS KNOW TO SCIENCE- that we AFFIRM that--Scripturally, scientifically, and historically, present-truth chronology is correct BEYOND DOUBT. Its reliability has been abundantly confirmed by the dates and events of 1874...Present-truth chronology is a SECURE BASIS on which the consecrated child of God may endeavor to search out things to come." Mind you, this was even reprinted in the Watchtower of June 15 1922 on page 187.How do we get around this and still not look like a crackpot?One more subtle point well worth noting. 1876: "For forty years the Lord has been present, feeding those who have been hungering and thirsting for righteousness. For forty years Pastor Russell-that faithful servent of the Lord-has set forth clear and unmistakable evidence of the presence of the Master. he nailed the banner of Christ's presence on the title page of the Watch Tower; and it shall never come down until the kingdom is known on the earth." Watchtower Dec 15 1916. The above banner came down in 1939! Now the Watchtower banner only claims 'Announcing Jehovah's kingdom'. Jesus was demoted!One of Russell's explanations for no destruction--yet--was that God's favor was being removed from all the Churches of Christendom and being placed on the church which was announcing his son's kingdom presence. Yet, ironically, this same explanation had to be moved up in the calendar from 1874 to an embarassing 40 years later! It is no wonder everybody can honestly be confused about what Russell stood for, what he believed, what he preached and where he drew the line on fudging the "facts" to suit his ever moving goal line. C.T. Russell was no hero to pure worship; he was intellectually dishonest. His tactics were purely political. He said what he had to say to rescue his position. It is called HUBRIS! (Excessive pride displayed by a character and often taking the form of a boastful comparison of the self to the divine, the gods, or other higher powers.) The Watchtower today has a huge task set before it when it comes to explaining this period of their history. They can't actually come out and describe the hundreds of flat out erroneous predictions which were surrounded in absolute certainty. These are indefensible. 7th day Adventists made the same error but stuck to the one date without moving it. At least they were consistent. So, modern revisionists must step back (a giant step) and become vague and conceptual rather than clearly factual. Russell is described as a sincere and eager Bible student who pointed the way to interest in Christ's second presence while being a bit off on his exact pinpoint calculations. Do you see the irony here? Russell had done the same thing with the embarassment of William Miller!IF JEHOVAH CHOSE C.T. RUSSELL for his approval---on what basis? Accuracy? Humility? Russell was all over the place on chronology and always wrong. Russell was never less than certain, especially when wrong. This is how Jehovah chooses a faithful and DISCREET slave?There is really no explanation feasible and believeable. |
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
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Great post Terry,Awesome story, your one smart dude. I have reciently gotten the studies in the scriptures and readying the words of Russell which I never did all those years I was a JW. Your post about his view of dates is something isn't it? I can't help but wonder how Bible Students today try to wrap their mind around trying to adopt Russell teachings because the dates are so wrong and bogus. It really shows the stretch people will go to in order to make the scriptures say what they want it to say. I believe Russell started out sincere, but quickly was ate up by the power he had over the rank & file. And of course Rutherford was just a real ogar and cared about no one but himself. Russell fully believed in the Univeral Salvation of all mankind though, and can't quite figure why Rutherford had everyone destroyed at Armageddon. Rutherford changed everything into a power trip. Balsam |
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
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Our Lord's words found a fulfilment (though not their complete and only fulfilment, as we shall see later) in the wonderful meteroric showers of the early morning of Nov. 12,1833. Those inclined to quibble by urging that 'the fixed stars did not fall' are reminded that our Lord said nothing about fixed stars falling, and that fixed stars could not fall: their falling would prove they are not fixed."
For any JW who still holds on to the hope that dub doctrine has an inspired source: read 'em and weep! |
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
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Russell fully believed in the Univeral Salvation of all mankind though, and can't quite figure why Rutherford had everyone destroyed at Armageddon. Rutherford changed everything into a power trip.
I've come to the opinion that religion becomes modern day myth when it changes to conform to the needs of its membership.The citizens of America were the offspring of religious fanatics, actually. There is no getting around it. Generations of children were brought up with god in their breakfast, hell in their lunch and heaven in their bedtime snacks. They digested it daily. The Great Awakening was one of many upheavals in religious continuity of opinion.Religious people, sooner or later, need SOMETHING TO HAPPEN! They will insist it is GOING to happen. This is a cry for oxygen. This is a plea for sanity. By openly insisting the tension is coming to a head they are creating an escape valve for insanity. Hence the preoccupation with END TIMES.Those caught up in the William Miller movement were religious fanatics. They saw god in everything...on purpose. Ultimately they were after a final orgasm of fulfillment in all those centuries of pent up tension and hope.But, all they got was more screwing....never a release (to put it crudely.).The willingness of people to jump into the rapids just to get downstream is, in my opinion, the cry of sanity to be released from the madness once and for all.All religious people live in a time warp that never moves an inch forward! Modernity and progress are the enemy. Sooner or later they crack. Either they have to have a date to wrap concrete hope around or they have to break something in anger. On the one end you have Millennialists and on the other you have Crusades and Terrorists.The point is this: SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN OR ELSE!!A sane person cannot live in suspended animation of mere hope. Somethings gotta give.Terry |
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
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That was one of the longest threads I've looked at in a long time. Clearly it was the most entertaining! (I knew it had to be a drunken dream. If CTR's beard was shot at, it would immediately grow replacement hair).
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Re: Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:04:00 GMT
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I toyed with the idea of Rutherford keeping Russell locked up in the basement and using him as a hostage to write ongoing theology (which Pastor Russell would thwart by making up ridiculous doctrines to expose Rutherford as an idiot) but the plan would backfire. JW's would believe ANYTHING said in the pages of the Watchtower.That proved unwieldy because I ran out of time. I wrote the whole thing in the hour before I went to work.T. |
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:03:00 GMT
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Great fiction, Terry. Should I say Terryfic? Keep'em coming.
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Terry
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Re: RUSSEL MEETS RUTHERFORD: a fantasy conversation
posted Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:24:00 GMT
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Thanks to all for the kind words.I'm always torn between dashing these things off and wishing I had been more precise or holding them back and waiting for inspiration; then, never posting them.It's all in (serious) fun, anyway.Much obliged.Terry |



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Just to quibble about two minor things....Russell did not ever expect the end to come in 1874 (this was held by his second Adventist forbearers), but accepted Barbour's rationalization that Christ became invisibly present that year. And I don't believe Beth Sarim was in existence yet in 1925.



