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Do you REALLY know how crazy J. Rutherford was?

    M gumby posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:02:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Below is an interview with the drunken, pipe-dreamin, selfish, psychopathic bastard back in 1930.

    The interview with J.F. Rutherford that appeared in the Sun Diego Sun, March 15, 1930"But how will you identify King David or any of the other representatives from God?' Rutherford was asked. 'I thought all that out before I wrote the deed,' the judge replied with a twinkle in his gray eyes. 'I realized the possibility of some old codger turning up bright and early some morning and declaring he was David. The men whom I have designated to test the identity of these men are officers of my societies and have consecrated themselves to the Lord, they will be divinely authorized to know impostors from the real princes.'"

    Time Magazine of Mar 31, 1930 wrote: "Judge Joseph Frederick [sic] Rutherford 60, lives in a ten room Spanish mansion, No 4440 Braeburn Rd, San Diego, Calif. Last week he deeded No 4440 Braeburn Road, and adjacent two car garage and a pair of automobiles to King David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthae, Samuel and sundry other mighties of ancient Palestine. Positive is he that they are shortly to reappear on earth, Said he: 'I have purposely landscaped the place with palm and olive trees so that these princes of the universe will feel at home ..".

    The San Diego Sun of Jan 9 1931 wrote: "A gaunt unshaven tramp has been the lone claimant for the $75,000 Southern Californian mansion of David, king of Israel, since it was deeded to the Biblical character a year ago. This was revealed today by Judge James [sic] Rutherford, temporary owner of the luxuriantly furnished Spanish type mansion at 440 [sic] Braeburn Rd in the exclusive Kensington Heights district.

    In one of the oddest deeds ever recorded, Rutherford, president of the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, has placed in trust the magnificent estate for ancient kings and prophets of Israel The slayer of Goliath and his companions may occupy the 10 room modern home with it's landscaped gardens and patio as soon as their credentials are approved by Rutherford and officials of his societies, divinely authorised to recognise them.

    One morning as I was going from the house to the garage, a queer looking creature approached me, tipped his dirty hat and cried 'Howdy Judge, I'm David' 'Go and tell that to the winds', I told him and he left without arguing the matter. I could see at a glance that he was not David. He didn't look like I knew David would look.'

    Asked how he expected David and his distinguished brethren to look, Rutherford, without hesitation, opened his huge Bible and pointed to a verse which said that the Princes of the Universe would be risen from the dead 'as perfect men'. 'I interpret that to mean', the tall dignified Judge declared, 'that David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jepthae, Joseph and Samuel will be sent here to wrench the world from Satan's grasp, clothed in modern garb as we are, and able, with little effort, to speak our tongue.' Rutherford pictured the arrival of the biblical delegation perhaps in frock coats, high hats, canes and spats.

    At Beth Sarim (House of Princes) as Rutherford has named his mansion, David will find the most modern appliances that science has devised. When the distinguished guests walk up the circular stairway to the second floor, they will find a large office with red leather chairs and shiny flat topped desk with inverted lighting. Even French telephones await the touch of the princes. Opening a wide door, the native sons of Palestine will behold a large bathroom, resplendent in shiny black tile with needle shower and an amply filled medicine chest. What a thrill giant shouldered Samson, who wrecked a palace with his bare fists might find in the gold safety razor and strop! Rutherford built the second floor bedroom, which he temporarily occupies, large in order to accommodate several of the expected owners. With wide pane windows that look out on the purple Cuyamacas to the East and California's first mission to the north, the bedroom is almost severe in it's furnishings.

    The rulers of the universe will have simple tastes, the judge apparently believes, although the austere end tables sported gaily covered fiction magazines. Rutherford has imported some Koniach, Wasser from Cologne, Germany to freshen the princely faces after shaving. A black skull cap hangs over one of the bedposts. The coming of David and his companions will be the greatest news story of the ages, Rutherford predicted. 'I am not a publicity seeker,' Rutherford said with a twinkle in his kindly brown [sic] eyes, 'but I feel that the world should know about their arrival. It will be a great news story.' Word of his 'House of king David' has reached into every corner of the world, the judge stated. 'Everywhere I went people asked me about this place,' Rutherford said.

    'In Chicago a millionaire manufacturer offered to build another house for David, but I declined the offer. 'Literally thousands have driven here to see this place,' Rutherford continued. 'Many have come to the door and my secretary has shown them about the place.' The patio with it's silver pool and olive and palm trees is gay with flowers. Down toward the canyon, paths have been landscaped to allow David and his friends to walk in meditation. Many of the fruits and trees, native to their Palestine, will greet the rulers when they arrive.

    In the two car garage next door stands a new, yellow 16 cylinder coupe which will be turned over to the rulers along with all the personal property on the place. 'Everything will be theirs, the house, the land, the furnishings and even the clothes if they need them,' Judge Rutherford said. 'What will I do? Oh, don't worry about me. I'll manage somehow.' the judge smiled. He had another 'Watch Tower' residence on Staten Island and practically an entire floor at Bethel.

    The seven famous men will not have long to rest at their San Diego estate because they soon will lead the forces of the Lord to vanquish the minions of Satan at the battle of Armageddon, Rutherford believed. 'But they will win out. The Lord will punish the devil and will show that the preachers and the politicians have been giving the people false counsel,' Rutherford said confidently.

    Rutherford will sail May 9 for Europe where he will speak before conventions in Berlin Paris and London."


    Gumberford

    *can't believe psychotic people can have such a following class*

    F Country Girl posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:05:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Gumby, you bas*ard!

    Everyone knows that the Judge was a total Nutjob.

    CG

    M Badger posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:05:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    That stuffjust cracks me up...

    until I realize that his baby, the WTS, is still going and controlling people with nary a difference in doctrine...then I lose my will to live.

    Double Edge posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:13:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Great post. doesn't this stuff ever get out to the Rank and File?

    wednesday posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:36:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    oh some of the elders may have seen it, esp the very old ones, but in all the years i was a jws, i never read or saw anything lke that, and would not have believd it if i had seen it. when u have control of info, u have CONTROL.

    M xjw_b12 posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:55:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Yeah that ol JR was one absurd, balmy, bizarre, cockeyed, derisory, eccentric, fatuous, foolhardy, foolish, goofy, half-baked, harebrained, idiotic, ill-conceived, impracticable, imprudent, inane, inappropriate, insane, irresponsible, loony, ludicrous, nonsensical, odd, outrageous, peculiar, potty, preposterous, puerile, quixotic, ridiculous, senseless, short-sighted, silly, strange, unworkable, wacky, weird, wild and crazy kinda guy.

    M SAHS posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:57:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    'Everything will be theirs, the house, the land, the furnishings and even the clothes if they need them,' Judge Rutherford said. 'What will I do? Oh, don't worry about me. I'll manage somehow.' the judge smiled. He had another 'Watch Tower' residence on Staten Island and practically an entire floor at Bethel.

    You BET he ?managed somehow!? He must have know that the ancient patriarchs wouldn?t just happen to plop up from the ground, somehow commute to that so-called Beth Sarim house, and say, ?Hey, Frankie! How?s it going, eh? Well, . . . here were are.? No ? I can?t believe a man of that ?stature? would have completely convinced even himself. But, in the meantime . . . guess who really got to occupy all that ?shameless luxury?? (Revelation 18:3. Worth looking up, people.) Guess! . . . . [Briefly play music from the game show Jeopardy in your head at this point] . . . . . . . It was HIM ? Judge Franklin J. Rutherford! Yes, it would appear that he was the real intended occupant of that house all along ? who just happened to benefit from all those corporate ?fringe benefits? (mansion, fancy clothes, ?16 cylinder coupe,? etc.), along with as many of his own cronies that could get away with that clever ruse with him.

    When you think of it, I suppose, it was ?brilliant,? for a time at least. (People were probably more gullible back then.)

    It reminds me of those TV evangelists, Jimmy and Tammy Baker ? you know, on that show a few years back called 100 Huntley Street or PTL Club (Praise the Lord), or something like that. Well, it was discovered that they too lived in such ?shameless luxury,? and apparently even their pit bull had its own luxurious doghouse with air conditioning and even its own servant! It?s true! (Guess what? The only big house Jimmy Baker is in right now is ?the big house? ? prison!)

    Well, it only shows that in the world of fickle and impressionable humanity, wonders never cease.

    ?SAHS

    Atilla posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:03:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Sounds like Rutherford had it rough. I knew about the house in San Diego but does anyone know what happened to the house in Staten Island?

    M gumby posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:44:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Yeah that ol JR was one absurd, balmy, bizarre, cockeyed, ......................

    XJW........LMAO!

    I think he was just a plain ol' Dick. You came up with some pretty choice words for the old bastard!

    Atilla

    As far as a home in staten island for the drunk.....I don't know. Actually they had two homes in southern calif.

    Beth-Sarim or ?House of Princes?, which they owned from 1929-1947, is common knowledge. (Investigator 45)

    Recently the J W Research Journal carried information about another, secret, property?called Beth Shan meaning ?House of Security??which the Watchtower Society (WTS) owned from 1939 to 1945.

    Beth Shan was a 75 acre property?located next to Beth Sarim?with a bigger mansion than Beth Sarim. It had several out houses, a 4,000 gallon tank of diesel, 7 acres of cultivated land, a well plus 10,000 gallon water-storage tank, and two secret underground bomb shelters with storage shelves and 3-foot thick concrete ceilings.

    Access to Beth Shan was by a ½ mile dirt track and a gate guarded by WTS personnel.

    The Beth Shan deed said in part:

    NOW THEREFORE this trust is created and said trustee shall hold the title to said property in trust for the use and benefit of the following named persons, whose names appear in the Bible at the book of Hebrews, chapter eleven, verses one to forty, to wit: Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sara, Joseph, Moses, Rahab, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephtha, David, Samuel.

    Until such time as the aforementioned persons return and identify themselves to the legal representatives of the said WATCH TOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY and the consent of said Society take possession and control of said premises, the President of the WATCH TOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY shall have the right and be duty bounded to direct the management and use of said premises hereby conveyed and to determine who shall be in possession and have the active management thereof.
    (J W Research Journal Vol. 4, No. 3, Summer 1997 p. 4)

    Beth Shan was so secret it was mentioned in WTS literature only once?in the magazine Consolation 1942 May 27 p. 9. The context was a dispute about burying ?Judge? Rutherford, the deceased WTS president. The authorities had turned down a WTS request for a one-grave cemetery at Beth Sarim. Therefore the WTS next tried for a grave site at Beth Shan?which was also turned down.

    Gumby

    F galaxy7 posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:01:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    but with one grand radio station operating without interferience and with unlimited power,such will enable the people at all times,with their superfine receiving sets,to hear the message of the lord and join in praise to his name(preperation)pg332
    the primary reason and purpose of jesus coming to earth was to bear witness to the truth of and concerning Jehovah and to vindicate jehovahs holy name (enemies) pg 151
    all liars and murderers are religionists (enemies)pg 118
    the question is ,will great britian and america become fascist under the dominating control of the roman catholic hierarchy?the scriptures and the facts appear to fully support that conclusion(enemies)pg291

    Just a few thoughts from the Judge

    F wannaexit posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:28:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    WHAT A CRACKPOT!!!!!!

    Thanks Gumby,

    I needed a good laugh today.

    Wannaexit

    Farkel posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:39:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Gumby,

    Great book that "Monuments to False Prophecy," isn't it? It is a treasure trove of information on Grudge Rutherford.

    For those of you who are interested in more on this subject, the book can be obtained from Randy's Freeminds.org site. It's priced around ten dollars or so. It is extremely well-documented with tons of scans of actual material and legal documents.

    Farkel

    F kls posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:42:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    And this is their father and founder, and to this day the watchtower stuffs it's pockets

    M Quotes posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:56:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Crazy?

    Crazy like a FOX!

    M gumby posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:01:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Atilla,

    I found some more info. on him you were speakin of.

    ......Rutherford seperated from his wife - a semi-invalid - who could not render the judge his marital dues. He was virtually if not a full, alcoholic. Many times Jehovah's Witnesses workers saw him in a drunken stupor. Other times he could not talk in public due to drunkenness.

    He was known for his vulgar language and was accussed by one of his closest associates of attending a nude burlesque show with two fellow elders and a young Bible student on a Wednesday evening before the celebration of the Lord's supper.

    Another facet was his opulent lifestyle. He had a luxury apartment in New York City, a palatial residence on Staten Island and a San Diego mansion named Beth Sarim, located on a 200 acre estate.

    Gumby

    shotgun posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:10:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    Damn you Gumby..you have sinned against the Holy spirit by talking this way about Jehovahs past appointed representative on Earth.

    I think JW's should have a parade before every District Convention the best Pyramid float wins.We should also have a J.F Rutherford day that we can get together and shoot off fireworks and break pinata's.

    J.F Rutherford ...my real feelings on the man

    http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Bugs_Bunny/ltbb_052.wav

    M gumby posted Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:32:00 GMT(4/8/2004)

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    We should also have a J.F Rutherford day that we can get together and shoot off fireworks and break pinata's.

    Better yet, a pinata full of beer that looked just like him. People would be more than happy to give it their best whack! They get to club Rutherford and drink beer at the same time!

    Gumby

    M badboy posted Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:17:00 GMT(9/8/2004)

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    Where is Beth Shan?

    Nathan Natas posted Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:28:00 GMT(9/8/2004)

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    Badboy, you may find this interesting:

    http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/bethshan.htm

    The Beth Shan property was purchased at a time when much of San Diego was undeveloped, and the 70 plus acres of the Beth Shan property therefore have no street address. It can be most simply described as adjacent to Beth Sarim on the opposite side of a half-mile wide canyon.

    The property is described in surveyor's terms in the deed, reproduced on pages 247, 248 and 249 of "MONUMENTS TO FALSE PROPHECY" by Edmond C. Gruss and Leonard Chretien published 1997 by Witness Inc. and available from Randy Watters at FREEMINDS and possibly elsewhere.

    M badboy posted Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:47:00 GMT(9/8/2004)

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    Thanks for the info,Nathas

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