IS YOUR TEACHING UP-TO-DATE? - (WT Study Article for June 3-9, 2013)

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    Oubliette posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:12:46 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    In the Watchtower Study article for last week, June 3rd - 9th, 2013, the congregation was asked the question, "IS YOUR TEACHING UP-TO-DATE?"

    There was a box on the top of page 9 that asked three questions allowing everyone to test themselves and find out if they had "up-to-date" and "accurate knowledge" in keeping with the "the ever-increasing light" as revealed through the pages of the Watchtower magazine and related publications.

    Now at first blush this all sounds really good, but is it? Let's take a closer look:

    Are You Up To Date?

    The article made the comparison of modern day Christians to Apollos of Bible fame. - (Acts chapter 18)

    Now there are at least two very important problems with the line of reasoning used in this article.

    1. FALSE ANALOGY - The article tells us about how Apollos was "speaking and teaching with correctness the things about Jesus, but being acquainted with only the baptism of John.” It goes on to explain that, "Without realizing it, Apollos had been teaching an out-of-date understanding of baptism." - [Emphasis added]

    OK, so the article confirms that what Apollos was teaching was correct, but out-of-date. Why? Because he didn't know about Jesus and the the meaning of Christian baptism. His knowledge was correct, but it was incomplete. This is a very important distinction as we shall see.

    When reasoning by analogy, it is important that the two things being compared are parallel in every way. If they are not, then the analogy fails and the comparison is rendered invalid. Notice how the analogy breaks down in this case.

    The WT article tries to compare changes in JW "theology" and doctrine with the situation of Apollos described above. The question for the paragraphs asks, "What can we learn from the account of Apollos?" and the caption for the box adds, "Apollos was helped to improve the effectiveness of his ministry."

    Again, for an analogy to be an effective tool of logic it must be parallel. This one is not:

    1. What Apollos was teaching about the baptism of John was correct, but he didn't have the whole picture: he didn't know about Jesus. He needed current information. His knowledge was not wrong, it was incomplete.
    2. What the WT has taught in the past on the three doctrinal points highlighted in the box has changed. There wasn't any new information added, the teachings were simply changed. Nothing new happened except the WT's published explanation of what these scriptures mean. These teachings were not incomplete, they were just wrong.

    This is an example of a false analogy and as such fails as a faulty argument.

    Were are left with a very important question which needs to be asked:

    • If these "up-to-date" teachings are indeed "accurate knowledge," then what kind of "knowledge" were the previous teachings?

    That is a question that would make even the most die-hard JW squirm.

    There is a another practical problem for anyone trying to keep "up-to-date" with the WT's "ever-increasing light."

    2. RESEARCH RESOURCES - Did you notice that two of the references are to WT articles from the '90s? That's right! Two of these three "up-to-date" references are 18 and 19 years old. That's getting to be pretty old by WT standards.

    Newer JWs are not going to have access to these articles to "research" and find out what "present truth" is. This is compounded by the problem that the WT Online Library only goes back as far as 2000. Why is that? I don't know, but unless you have a WT Library CD or access to hardcopies of old WTs you simply can't look these articles up.

    That being said, they can look ahead to the upcoming July 15th, 2013 WT Study Edition to be really, really up-to-date on these subjects. Funny the WT didn't reference them. I wonder why not?

    The WT has a long history of changing teachings under the guise of allegedly "ever-increasing light," but under close examination we find that what was taught before was just wrong and needed to be discarded. Trying to compare it to a Bible account of a faithful man that had incomplete knowledge does not excuse the WT teaching things that are inaccurate and incorrect.

    DATA-DOG posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:55:34 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    You are correct. Sadly, JW's serve the Organization.

    sarahsmile posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 03:01:02 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    First thing I noticed was the 1994 and 1995 out dated WT.

    Thank you for sharing incorrect errors in the WT.

    Some lurkers need to have people like you to point them out.

    Good job!

    man oh man posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 03:33:53 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    And I also noticed that Paul brought him and others up to speed with just a couple of sentences.

    (Acts 19:1-6) 19 In the course of events, while A·pol′los was in Corinth, Paul went through the inland parts and came down to Eph′e·sus, and found some disciples; 2 and he said to them: "Did you receive holy spirit when YOU became believers?" They said to him: "Why, we have never heard whether there is a holy spirit." 3 And he said: "In what, then, were YOU baptized?" They said: "In John's baptism." 4 Paul said: "John baptized with the baptism [in symbol] of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul laid his hands upon them, the holy spirit came upon them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.

    Paul didn't need to have an annual meeting to reveal this lol.

    Scott77 posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 03:46:04 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    Oubliette,

    Ways to go. You have nailed them down. I noticed the Watchtower is quoting itself [past Watcthwower publications] as a source of reference.

    Scott77

    Phizzy posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:09:02 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    Thanks for this Oub:

    "Trying to compare it to a Bible account of a faithful man that had incomplete knowledge does not excuse the WT teaching things that are inaccurate and incorrect."

    That very thought was one that came to me a number of times when I was "in", and it added to my Cognitive Dissonance struggle, which eventually got so loud I researched on-line, and the rest is history.

    Eventually I came across the Chazzer Russell quote where he rightly says that New Light can only add to correct knowledge of truth, if New Light replaces an old idea, that understanding was neither Light nor Truth.

    OUTLAW posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:18:40 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    IS YOUR TEACHING UP-TO-DATE?..

    What we`re really asking is..

    Have you Swallowed our newest WBT$ Crap?

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    Satanus posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:03:37 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    Wt truth morphs (evolves?) faster than alien larvae. Its metamorphic truth.

    S

    FadeToBlack posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:09:06 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    Very well put.I though something smelled a bit off with that comparison to Apollos. To bad the WT can't write as clearly as you do! But maybe that is part of the plan. plan.

    Julia Orwell posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:15:39 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    LOL the newer converts and younger JWs will already have the latest 'understanding' as they learned that from the get-go and never even knew the WT taught anything different. I was in that category with the 90's changes. This might actually backfire because we newer converts will go, "Hang on, what did they used to teach?"

    As for the oldies, I don't think they could be bothered. They go to meetings, answer from the paragraph and hitch a lift home after with that nice sister.

    Ucantnome posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:20:54 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    The February 15th 1994 was the Watchtower that ended it for me.

    Julia Orwell posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:35:23 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    What was in it?

    Ucantnome posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:45:45 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    For me it told me we weren't in Christ 2nd presence.

    Julia Orwell posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:48:26 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    I thought they taught we were...you know, 1914 and all that...I came in in the late 90s. Bleh, it doesn't matter really because it's all tripe. It is positive to note, however, that these radical changes are waking people up. We will see more people leaving in the years following this infamous July WT.

    Phizzy posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:54:13 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    If they do not leave after the July mag stuff has sunk in, then they will never leave.

    I do not expect a huge number to go, after all they already swallowed the overlapping generation rubbish, so this stuff is no problem to mind-controlled JW's.

    The odd one or two who still think a bit for themselves will go, the pain of trying to continue to believe in what is patently nonsense will become too much.

    I think a large number know it is all Bull**** , but stay in because all their family and "friends" are in, they will continue to stay for those reasons, whatever is spewed and farted out by the GB/Writing Dept.

    Ucantnome posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:01:03 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    yes they do teach that.

    this is why it meant something to me.

    When I was about 8/9 I was witnessing to the kid who sat in front of me at school and I told him about the sign. I came home at lunch time as normal and got the bible out to read Matthew 24. I was so disappointed. The sign didn't get mentioned to verse 30 or 31. Then this then that then the sign. I couldn't figure it out. So I got the Watchtower out. Must have been the 1966 February I think. It explained that the sign was the Son of Man recieving the Kingdom spoken of in Daniel the Son of Man being the Messianic figure. This was in 1914 seen with the eyes of understanding what we saw was the composite sign wars famines ect. Devil cast down having great anger. etc. or something.

    The kid was never going to understand this was he. I barely did. Anyway roll 1994 and the Watchtower on "then"

    I was 8 or 9 what took them so long and the in my view you can't have the 2nd coming without the Sign of verse 30. At best I could no longer preach that we were in his presence.

    I talked with some of our friends that brought the elders to the door and a argument.

    The reason why it was Jesus recieving his kingdom really is that it ties in Isaiah 11. and him standing as a signal/sign

    St George of England posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:05:22 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    Of course that 2010 WT only told half the story. It explained the generation change from "the wicked" to "the overlappers". What it didn't say was that the idea of the generation refering to "the wicked" was taught only from 1995.

    Prior to that date it was taught that the generation that saw 1914 would see the end. By 1995 it was clear that this prophesy had failed and so was dropped. Needless to say that little point never came up in the WT study.

    George

    M besty posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:11:19 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    The first thing that struck me was the opening sentence torturing the grammar:

    "We want to stay up to date with the understanding of Bible truth so that we can share accurate knowledge with others"

    I dont like this structure, but plain English could have been:

    "We want to stay up to date with our understanding of Bible truth so that we can share accurate knowledge with others"

    But the WTS don't want you to have your understanding, they want you to have theirs - hence the "the"

    What they really mean you to take away is:

    "We want you to stay up to date with our interpretation of Bible truth so that you can share WTS accurate knowledge with others"

    Splash posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:48:17 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    What is especially funny about this, is the '95 'Sheep and Goats' watchtower used as a reference for what is up-to-date, is actually out of date!!

    *** w95 10/15 p. 23 par. 26 How Will You Stand Before the Judgment Seat? ***

    Understanding the parable of the sheep and the goats in this way indicates that the rendering of judgment on the sheep and the goats is future. It will take place after “the tribulation

    *** w13 7/15 p. 6 par. 13 Tell Us, When Will These Things Be? ***

    So, then, what can we conclude? Jesus will judge people of all nations as sheep or goats when he comes during the great tribulation.

    The teachings change so often, even they can't keep up when they are trying to!

    Splash

    Oubliette posted Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:24:22 GMT(6/11/2013)

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    Wow, nice to see so much participation! Thanks everyone for the great comments and observations.

    Here are a few specific replies:

    man oh man: And I also noticed that Paul brought him and others up to speed with just a couple of sentences.

    Brilliant observation! No long, convoluted, confusing rhetoric needed. Thanks for sharing.

    Scott77: Ways to go. You have nailed them down. I noticed the Watchtower is quoting itself [past Watcthwower publications] as a source of reference.

    Good point. That was always one of the things that bothered me the constantly self-referential means of "proving" WT teachings. I often wondered, "Why doesn't the WT ever have any impartial, objective means to confirm their teachings?"

    Of course that would counter any claims they have of exclusive possession of the truth. But that didnt' occur to me until later.

    Even when they do quote outside sources, they rarely give adequate information to do any fact checking. How many times is there a statement with no attribution other than "a Bible scholar said ..." WT writers would fail Plagiarism 101 with every issue!

    Phizzy, exactly, once a JW with any thinking skills starts doing some independent fact-checking it's "Game Over" for WT "theology." It just doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny.

    OUTLAW, funny and irreverent as always!

    Satanus, I don't know anything about alien larvae, but if it evolves at the same rate that WT teachings change, the universe must be swimming in aliens!

    FadeToBlack, thanks for the compliment. I work hard at my writing skills. I have come to conclude that the writers of the WT are very much aware of what they do and how they do it. Their manipulative use of language is to skillful to be anything other than deliberate.

    I have started a project to analyze the many Logical Fallacies in WT Publications. Perhaps you'd like to read and contribute to that thread.

    Recognizing logical fallacies takes training and critical thinking skills that generally are not taught until university. This is why the WT leadership does not want JWs attending college. When they do, they often wake up and say, "WTF!?!"

    Julia Orwell, so true. The new ones can't check these older issues and the older ones generally won't, they have too much emotionally invested to risk finding out they've wasted their life hitching their wagon to a cult.

    Still, some--like us--wake up and get the heck out! Glad you're with us.

    Ucantnome, it woke a few up in my congregation back in the day, but I wasn't ready yet. It took me about 8 more years. It was when I found out about the UN/NGO scandal that I started really re-examining WT teachings. When you're ready, it does't take long to figure out what a scam it all is.

    St George of England, that's a really good point about all the other previous "Generation" teachings the WT has trotted out and subsequently put-out-to-pasture over the last century. There's a great analysis of this on the jwfacts website:

    besty, that's a good point about the grammar. See what I wrote to FadeToBlack above. The frequently deceptive and manipulative use of language on the part of WT writers has created a pattern which is to me conclusive proof of their deliberate and knowing intent.

    To your analysis I'd add:

    "We want to stay up to date with the understanding of Bible truth ..."

    Why does it even say "the understanding of" Bible truth? Why not just say, " "We want to stay up to date with Bible truth ..."?

    The answer is obvious. It is WT "understanding" which is their stock in trade. They can't make exclusive claims at possessing truth if they don't have anything special or unique. And, since what they publish as "understanding" doesn't hold up to reality, they have to keep changing it to fool the masses.

    Splash, actually the '95 WT isn't made "out-of-date" by the July 2013 WT. You didn't quote the entire sentence:

    26 Understanding the parable of the sheep and the goats in this way indicates that the rendering of judgment on the sheep and the goats is future. It will take place after “the tribulation” mentioned at Matthew 24:29, 30 breaks out and the Son of man ‘arrives in his glory.’ - [Emphasis added]

    This is consistent with "during the great tribulation" as worded in the July '13 WT. It's still nonsense, but at least these two articles are not in contradiction.

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