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Crazy Religions

    M Qcmbr posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:34:45 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    I was reading a good article regarding the relative 'craziness' of faiths (Blog) and they mentioned a lot about Mormons. In short they talked about the socially accepted craziness (as opposed to actual mental illness) of mainstream , culturally accepted faiths V those that are relatively new. We see Scientology as more crazy than Catholicism IF we fall into the trap of judging without consideration but when examined all religions have very crazy elements. Mormons have weird underwear but Catholics cannibalise magic bread to flesh wafers. JWs don't take blood but Hindus bathe in a sh*t filled, dirty river. The author makes the very valid point that our craziness extends well beyond religious observance and the example of clothing is pointed to where we see Victorian's tight, health endangering , organ damaging corsets as crazy but then encourage today's women to wear high heels which damage their feet. I found it quite a good reminder that craziness is all around us and we quite often engage in it without much thought, plus all religions and faiths are fundamentally equally crazy.

    Amen.

    return of parakeet posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:49:28 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    If there's one thing that separates humans from the rest of the animals, it's that humans behave in irrational, downright crazy ways.

    My parakeet wouldn't dream of wearing a corset or tight high heels or mascara (she has eyelashes), or rouging her beak, or attending a Birds for Christ church.

    She is sweet to everyone who treats her kindly. She is beautiful without trying to artifically increase her beauty. She concerns herself with the basic things of life -- food, water, love, and play. She is a better animal than I am, in every way.

    Now ... who's the smarter species?

    tec posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:54:57 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    plus all religions and faiths are fundamentally equally crazy.

    What a statement. And you worry about me?

    Peace,

    tammy

    M Qcmbr posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:00:46 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Did you read the article?

    return of parakeet posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:43 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Qcmbr: "... plus all religions and faiths are fundamentally equally crazy."

    tec: "What a statement. And you worry about me?"

    I agree with Qcmbr. All religions have an underlying premise that is irrational and unprovable. However, the leaders of religions differ in how much personal freedom they allow their followers and how much dissidence they allow.

    Example: I'm sure there are exceptions, but one can remain a Catholic even if they disagree with some Catholic doctrines. Not true for dubs and other cults.

    But basically, them religions be crazy, Jack.

    F jgnat posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:59 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Craziness is one thing. How about control? Organizations practice various levels of control. Guilt is probably the weakest coercive technique and even mothers have been known to resort to it. But how about threatening excommunication and cut-off from family and friends?

    I think that would put some crazy churches in to the dangerous category, Scientologists and Jehovah's Witnesses included.

    M Qcmbr posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:11:17 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    I agree that dangerous religions are a different question , a religion like early Mormonism and the Heavens Gate group are extremely dangerous ( Mormonism almost tipped into full scale totalitarian hell) whereas some seem far more benign. The underlying justifications and regular practice is just as 'crazy' even if not harmful ( Mormon knickers never killed anything more serious than the odd romantic evening.) I find believing in a supernatural voices just as bonkers as sacrifing a pigeon to divine the future etc.

    tec posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:13:14 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Yeah, I read it. I get why you agree with it; it reflects what you think. (does agreeing with this make you a disciple of this person, btw?)

    I stand by what I stated above.

    Peace,

    tammy

    return of parakeet posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:24:02 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Qcmbr, I was away from the board for several years (I was Parakeet). When I came back this January, I found you had left the LDS and become an atheist. Did you ever tell the story of how that happened? If so, can you give me the thread? If not, maybe you can tell it sometime soon. I'm sure it's an interesting and enlightening one.

    I admire that you recognized the flaws in religion (which the article cites) and elected to live life as rationally as is possible for human beings.

    BTW, do you still call Jon Krakauer, "Krakpot Krakauer"? (Just teasing. )

    M Qcmbr posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:31:39 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    I agree with the idea that religions can be viewed as crazy but when stepping back we can see that lots of religions have equally unfounded and bizarre behaviours. In addition to this I agree with the article's author that crazy behaviour is also seen in wider society such as in clothing.

    As for discipleship I think you are being deliberately naive which leaves you either in the camp of being slightly devious or if you genuinely think posting an article is enough to denote discipleship then you aren't as on the ball as I give you credit for. I do think your support of AG which has moved beyond simple sympathy now to the stage where you are getting divine messages of support for her and of which you need to testify as a witness does place you into a disciple relationship. This is only a bad thing if you don't want to be her disciple.

    M Qcmbr posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:34:56 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Hi Parakeet, I'll look it up ( no time now , about to watch a film with family) but it was pretty traumatic experience which I am still exploring as I try to discover why I was able to believe like some of our board members despite reality staring me in the face every waking hour. It was not easy admitting to the board my awakening and I did contemplate never posting again in shame :)

    tec posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:12:33 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    I agree with the idea that religions can be viewed as crazy but when stepping back we can see that lots of religions have equally unfounded and bizarre behaviours. In addition to this I agree with the article's author that crazy behaviour is also seen in wider society such as in clothing.

    I understand what the author and you are stating. I must disagree on the generalizations being presented, and the blanket statement. I understand that you disagree with me. No problem there.

    As for discipleship I think you are being deliberately naive which leaves you either in the camp of being slightly devious or if you genuinely think posting an article is enough to denote discipleship then you aren't as on the ball as I give you credit for.

    I am not being naive.

    I am being puposely ridiculous in the effort of showing how ridiculous your same attitude and judgment is of me. Whether that gets through or not is not on me.

    I do think your support of AG which has moved beyond simple sympathy now to the stage where you are getting divine messages of support for her

    I did not get a divine message to support her.

    I supported the understanding that she shared on the board. An understanding that I also share... that i would have with or without Aguest, because I follow Christ with or without Aguest... or anyone else for that matter.

    and of which you need to testify as a witness does place you into a disciple relationship.

    Agreeing with what someone has shared, because you also share that understanding... does not make one a disciple of another. It can make both of those people, however, disciples of the same Spirit.

    That is the truth of the matter that you cannot receive.

    Refusing to state that my spirit agrees with something shared from another who follows the same Christ and Spirit who I follow... would be allowing fear of the accusations and/or mockery that will come from some people (like what you did) to rule what i say and how I say it. I refuse to allow THAT.

    This is only a bad thing if you don't want to be her disciple.

    It would be a bad thing, so I would not want it, and I would not do it. I follow Christ. Not Aguest. Not religion or mormonism, or the wts, or the RCC, or Luther or Calvin, or Paul or Peter or anyone else you must think to suggest.

    Peace,

    tammy

    return of parakeet posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:26:34 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    tec: " Agreeing with what someone has shared, because you also share that understanding... does not make one a disciple of another. It can make both of those people, however, disciples of the same Spirit. "

    I agree with the calendar that today is Friday. Are the calendar and I disciples of the Spirit of Timekeeping?

    I agree with my husband that my older sister is a bitch. Does that make us disciples of the Spirit of Crappy Siblings?

    Please define your terms precisely, in this case, "disciple" and "Spirit." You make yourself sound uneducated.

    cofty posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:29:14 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    I follow Christ. Not Aguest. - Tammy

    In the same way that any JW would say, "we worship Jehovah not the "Governing Body".

    The evidence of your willingness to applaud any amount of nonsense suggests otherwise.

    return of parakeet posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:31:09 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Qcmbr: " It was not easy admitting to the board my awakening and I did contemplate never posting again in shame :) "

    There's nothing to be ashamed of. Have we ever ridiculed newbies for leaving the dubs? Nearly all of us have been where you were (different religions; same lunacy).

    I greatly admire your strength in leaving. It's never easy.

    Tater-T posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:34:15 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    tec posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:35:52 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    I agree with the calendar that today is Friday. Are the calendar and I disciples of the Spirit of Timekeeping?

    I agree with my husband that my older sister is a bitch. Does that make us disciples of the Spirit of Crappy Siblings?

    Please define your terms precisely, in this case, "disciple" and "Spirit." You make yourself sound uneducated.

    It was not me that began this accusation of discipleship, parakeet. I was simply trying to point out the absurdity of calling me someone's disciple because i agree with something they share. Your words above would be better applied to the one who began doing that to me.

    I do apologize to you though, because there is no way for you to have known what prompted my response to Q. But he knows.

    Peace,

    tammy

    cofty posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:49:38 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Nobody is concerned that you agree with something Shelby said.

    When somebody agrees with everything another person says there is cause for concern. When a lot of what a person says is stark raving bonkers and yet somebody applauds every word of it unthinkingly then it is reasonable to conclude we are seeing discipleship in action.

    M heathen posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:57:47 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    I think that's what part of being a Jdub was all about , looking at religions in a critical way , In alot of cultures relion is forced on people , believe or die , the muslims are good with that and the catholics had a whale of a time with it back in the dark ages . Now if we can just get the ,"jews", to accept palestinians as equals we might end decades of conflict ... I had to agree tho that atheism is as dogmatic as any cult group but at least in the free world they aren't persecuting or enslaving anyone , there were countries that banned religion such as the USSR and china which would give them a bad name as well

    cofty posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:11:03 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    I had to agree tho that atheism is as dogmatic as any cult group - Heathen

    How can somebodies lack of belief in the supernatural be as dogmatic as a cult?

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