The …everlasting saga of “The faithful and discreet slave class”.

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    M MacHislopp posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:48:31 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    Hello everyone,

    At the 128th annual meeting of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, on October 6 th 2012 . During this meeting “food at the proper time” was given and the most important, was given during a symposium of six talks by members of the Governing Body—Brothers Jackson, Lösch, Pierce, Herd, Lett, and Splane— which analyzed and discussed the meaning of Jesus’ words recorded at

    Matthew 24:45-47. 45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings. .-

    ( Full text of the report from : http://www.jw.org/en/news/events-activities/annual-meeting-report-2012/)

    With this new understanding or ‘ adjustement in understanding’ many questions come to those …thousands and thousands with inquisitive minds.

    With the help of t some material scattered on the web and on this board I have tried to make an analytical summary of the major points together with quotes of previous and recent Society’s teaching.

    Here we go:

    1***Was a slave class present between the 1st century and the 20th century?

    Year 1922

    **w22 3/1 pp. 72-73 Who Is Wise? ***

    The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord’s second presence began in 1874; that the harvest followed thereafter and greater light has come upon the Word of God. In this connection, then, let us note the words of Jesus: "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing." (Matthew 24: 45, 46) It must be conceded, then, that at the end ot the world, at the "time of the end", during the presence of the Lord, during the harvest, he would have in the earth a servant who would be faithful and wise. The physical facts show that Brother Russell met every one of these requirements. This prophetic utterance, then, has been fulfilled. Therefore fulfilled prophecy, or physical facts, and the circumstantial evidence are conclusive proofs that Brother Russell filled the office of that faithful and wise servant."

    Year 1992

    ***w92 12/1 pp. 13-14 Bring All the Tenth Parts Into the Storehouse” ***

    7Who, then, was the faithful and discreet slave? In the first century, it began with the small group that responded to the witness work of John the Baptizer and of Jesus, the messenger of the covenant.

    In our century, it was the few thousandswho responded to the preparatory work of the Bible Students during the years leading up to 1914.

    Year 1995

    The Watchtower May 15, 1995, p. 16, par. 2

    This slave could not be just one individual because he was to provide spiritual food from when the Christian congregation began at Pentecost until the Master, Jesus Christ, came to make an accounting. The facts indicate that this faithful and discreet slave class comprises all anointed Christians as a group on earth at any given time.

    Year 2000

    The Watchtower August 1 st , 2000, p. 6, par. 3

    As Head of his congregation, not only did Jesus keep a watchful eye on his anointed footstep followers on earth but, since the outpouring of the holy spirit at Pentecost 33 C.E.,he has also used them as a channel of truth, as a "faithful and discreet slave." (Matthew 24:45-47; Acts 2:1-36)

    Year 2004

    *** w043/1pp.8-9A“Slave”WhoIsBothFaithfulandDiscreet***

    An IndividualoraClass?

    4 “The faithful and discreet slave” cannot be one person. Why not? Because the slave began serving spiritual food back in the first century, and according to Jesus, the slave would still be doing so when the Master arrived in 1914. That would represent some 1,900 years of faithful service for one individual. Not even Methuselah lived that long!—Genesis 5:27.

    5 Well, might the term “faithful and discreet slave” apply in a general sense to each individual Christian? It is true that all Christians must be faithful and discreet; however, Jesus clearly had something more in mind when he spoke of “the faithful and discreet slave.” How do we know that? Because he said that the “master on arriving” would appoint the slave “over all his belongings.” How could each individual Christian be placed over everything—over “all” of the Lord’s belongings? Impossible!

    6 The only reasonable conclusion, then, is that Jesus was referring to a group of Christians as “the faithful and discreet slave.

    Year 2012

    Although they were anointed by holy spirit, the apostles and other first-century Christians were not “the faithful and discreet slave” prophesied by Jesus.

    It is reasonable to conclude, then, that Jesus appointed “the faithful and discreet slave” over “his domestics” during his presence, “the conclusion of the system of things.”

    2***Who then constitute the “the faithful and discreet slave”?

    Year 2007

    *** w0711/1pp.29-30pars.12-13SearchingInto“theDeepThingsofGod”***

    12 A second example of deep things that have been revealed to us concerns God’s purpose to select 144,000 from among mankind. (Revelation 14:1, 4) We accept the teaching that all of the anointed onesliving on earth at any given time constitute“the faithful and discreet slave” that Jesus said would provide timely “food” for his domestics. (Matthew 24:45)

    and

    *** w0711/1pp.29-30pars.12-13SearchingInto“theDeepThingsofGod”***

    13 …

    The apostle Peter gave the answer when he told the congregation of anointed Christians: “You are . . . ‘a holy nation, a people for special possession.’” (1 Peter 1:4; 2:9) That spiritual nation, “the Israel of God,” became Jehovah’s new slave. (Galatians 6:16) Just as all members of ancient Israel formed one “servant,” so also all anointed Christians on earth at any one time form one “faithful and discreet slave.” What a privilege it is for us to receive “food” through God’s slave!

    Year 2012

    The evidence points to the following conclusion: “The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.”

    NB *** How can anyone trust a small group of men, within a religious organization - to correctly interpret the Bible – for millions and millions of people - and yet the same small group cannot even be sure of their own identity?

    Can we really imagine for a moment “ God's channel of communication” that is not able…sorry .. that takes almost 100 years to realize who is part of “God’s channel of communication. Do we have to believe that it took so long for Jehovah God to inform them on this matter?

    2***Was the slave active in 1914?,

    Year 2004

    *** w043/1pp.11-12A“Slave”WhoIsBothFaithfulandDiscreet***

    The “Slave”19CenturiesLater

    16 What about today ? When Jesus’ presence began in 1914, did he find a group of anointed Christians who were faithfully dispensing food at the proper time?He certainly did. This group could be clearly identified because of the fine fruitage that it was producing. (Matthew 7:20) History since then has proved this identification to be correct.

    17 At the time of Jesus’ arrival, some 5,000 domestics were busy spreading Bible truth. The workers were few, but the slave used a number of ingenious methods to spread the good news. (Matthew 9:38) For example, arrangements were made for sermons on Bible topics to be published in up to 2,000 newspapers. In this way, the truth of God’s Word reached tens of thousands of readers at once. In addition, an eight-hour program combining color slides and motion pictures was prepared. Thanks to this innovative presentation, the Bible’s message, from the beginning of Creation to the end of the Thousand Year Reign of Christ, was conveyed to audiences totaling over nine million on three continents. Printed literature was another avenue that was used. In 1914, for example, some 50,000 copies of this journal were published.

    18 Yes, when the Master arrived, he found his faithful slave conscientiously feeding the domestics as well as preaching the good news. Greater responsibilities now awaited that slave. Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.” (Matthew 24:47) Jesus did this in 1919, after the slave had passed through a period of testing. Why, though, did “the faithful and discreet slave” receive greater responsibilities? Because the Master had received an increase in his belongings. Jesus was given the kingship in 1914.

    Year 2004

    The evidence points to the following conclusion: “The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body , they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.”

    3***Who ist the "evil slave" (Mat 24:48-51)?

    Year 2004

    *** w043/1p.13‘TheFaithfulSlave’PassestheTest!***

    “That EvilSlave”

    2 Jesus spoke of the evil slave immediately after discussing “the faithful and discreet slave.” He said: “If ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.” (Matthew 24:48-51) The expression “that evil slave” draws our attention to Jesus’ preceding words about the faithful and discreet slave. Yes, the “evil slave” came from the ranks of the faithful slave. How?

    Year 2012

    - not mentioned yet -

    4***Will the parables of the virgins and the slave with the talents apply to the “governing body”?

    Year 2004

    *** w043/1p.18par.21‘TheFaithfulSlave’PassestheTest!***

    21 Thus, although these two parables shed light on events in 1919 or thereabouts, they apply in principle to all true Christians throughout the last days. In this way, while the exhortation that Jesus gave at the end of the parable of the ten virgins applies in the first place to anointed Christians before 1919, in principle it still applies to every Christian. May all of us, then, take to heart Jesus’ words: “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.”—Matthew 25:13.

    Year 2012

    - not considered yet -

    5***Who are the “ domestics”?

    Year 2004

    *** w043/1p.10par.9A“Slave”WhoIsBothFaithfulandDiscreet***

    9 …

    Who, though, are the “domestics,” who receive spiritual nourishment from the slave? In the first century C.E ., every Christian cherished the heavenly hope. Consequently, the domestics were also anointed Christians, viewed, not as a group, but as individuals. All, including those who held responsible positions in the congregation, needed spiritual food from the slave.—1 Corinthians 12:12, 19-27; Hebrews 5:11-13; 2 Peter 3:15, 16.

    Year 2012

    Jesus said that “his domestics” would receive “food at the proper time.” All genuine followers of Jesus are fed by “the faithful and discreet slave.” Therefore, all of Christ’s disciples—both individual anointed Christians and members of the “other sheep”—are “his domestics.”—John 10:16.

    and

    "What does all of this really mean? The great crowd and the anointed are all domestics. We are all domestics . And brothers, we love this teaching - we love this idea."

    (by brother David Splane - a GB member- )

    6***What are the belongings over which the newly crowned Master appoints his “faithful slave” ?

    Year 2004

    *** w04 3/1 p. 12 par. 19 A “Slave” Who Is Both Faithful and Discreet ***

    19 What are the belongings over which the newly crowned Master appointed his faithful slave? All the spiritual things that belong to Him here on earth.

    Year 2012

    Jesus said: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.” (Matthew 28:18) Jesus’ “belongings” thus include more than just his earthly interests. They include the Messianic Kingdom.Philippians 2:9-11.

    Consequently, Jesus will reward “the faithful and discreet slave” by resurrecting the individual members of that group to heavenly life and by giving them royal authority over all Christ’s belongings in heaven and on earth. This is the same reward promised to all faithful anointed Christians.—Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6.

    In conclusion , according to this latest “ adjustement in understanding” it is established that Jesus Christ, the Master returned in the year 1914 and appointed a “faithful and discreet slave class “ .

    (Matthew 24:45-51)45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings

    Since the the appointment of “the faithful and discreet slave “ was made after 5 years were elapsed, i.e. in the year 1919, there are more questions without an answer:

    ***Was the Master gone again?

    ***How can that be if he returned invisibly and appoints a slave?

    ***Did he invisibly leave and then return invisibly again to appoint the FDS?

    ***Did the Master come back just to place the slave in authority?

    ***How can a true Christian be sure of the events?

    ***ho witnessed the event?

    **How can anyone prove invisible events?

    (NB Please keep in mind that Brother Joseph Rutherford, taught that “god’s people “ realized the event of Jesus Christ’s inspection in the year 1922)

    I do hope that the material ll be useful to someone.

    Greetings,

    J.C.MacHislopp

    (P.S. Two more points :

    In the official report no mention of Brother Charles Taze Russell – the last time he was mentioned in the publications was in the year 2009; Second point, no mention in the official report of the latest “Governing Body” member Mark Sanderson.

    M james_woods posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:01:24 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    If they are still studying this, analyzing this, and re-defining this - then it obviously means that they do not know who the "faithful and discreet slave class" is - or what it even means.

    They have not even figured out that this simple scriptural illustration did not remotely mean to define the hierarchy of the church.

    Pathetic.

    M Black Sheep posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:43:50 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    In the official report no mention of Brother Charles Taze Russell – the last time he was mentioned in the publications was in the year 2009

    He got a mention in the August 2012 study edition, where his role was downplayed to being "...chosen to be the editor ..." of Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence.

    Listener posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 03:10:50 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    There is so much material on the matter that the WTBTS has printed that is now garbage.

    wannabefree posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 03:33:36 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    marked :)

    konceptual99 posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 03:56:36 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    Very useful. I have been looking at these references myself so thanks for saving me the trouble of posting!

    I have spoken to several witnesses now and the "revelation" that the F&DS are just the GB is being treated as if that's old light - so many believed that any way. To many it's more logical anyway.

    The interesting questions are the ones raised above as the real change and more far reaching implication is around the appointment of the F&DS. Since the assignment over "all his belongings" is future there are questions (as partially pointed out above) over:

    - who is the evil slave

    - how does this relate to the parable of the talents, especially since, in that parable, it is how the assigned belongings have been managed that determines the future prospects of the slave

    - could the GB still be judged as being the evil slave - after all WT04 3/1 p13 pp2 says that "the evil slave came from the ranks of the faithful slave".

    - are the domestics currently under obligation to consider the F&DS (not yet appointed over belongings) as having the full authority of the master.

    - where in the parable does it say Jesus came a first time to do the initial appointment and then again to appoint over the belongings? Surely it makes logical sense for a master to appoint a manager when he is leaving (i.e. as per the 33CE original understanding). This is compounded by the 1914 presence and 1919 appointment gap

    - why has it taken so long to work this out bearing in mind the F&DS were appointed almost 100 years ago

    I guess these will be addressed in future Watchtowers but this does change a whole load of stuff just through implication.

    Interestingly, p18 of the OD book states that "There are many reasons to have complete trust in the slave class. First and foremost, Jesus has appointed them over all his precious "belongings." This is a clear indication that he has complete trust in them.". According the new understanding Jesus does not yet have the evidence to put full trust in the F&DS as they are still proving themselves in advance of a future inspection....

    ÁrbolesdeArabia posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:06:44 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    Wow! Thank you for clearing this nightmare doctrine up, now we wait until they go back to the individual and he will become "High Priest" in the future ahead.

    St George of England posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:23:00 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    Second point, no mention in the official report of the latest “Governing Body” member Mark Sanderson.

    On the video (jw.org) it says he concluded the AGM with prayer.

    George

    bats in the belfry posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:17:34 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    MacHislopp >> Are they just ouija-boarding for a century now,

    or,

    "Are those really the leadings of Holy Spirit"?

    designs posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:22:48 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    This could really hurt eBay sales of older publications.

    Vanderhoven7 posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:34:43 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    marked

    M MacHislopp posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:26:15 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    Hello everyone,

    Just a few lines to answer directly some of our friends on this board:

    ** james woods:

    ‘ they do not know who the "faithful and discreet slave class" is

    Well , please just read … this:

    *** w64 5/15 p. 305 Maintaining Unity in Difficult Times ***

    " Jehovah’s witnesses in all the world receive their teaching based upon the Bible. The Bible explanations are given out by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, representing the "faithful and discreet slave" as mentioned in Matthew 24:45. This centralized and uniform teaching has very much contributed toward the unity among Jehovah’s witnesses throughout the earth."

    **Black Sheep :

    Thanks for the correction. Here below the quote you’ve mentioned.

    “THE TRUE KNOWLEDGE”BECOMES“ABUNDANT”

    14 “The true knowledge” has become abundant through the many who are proclaiming the good news. It has also become abundant through the printed word. In July 1879, the Bible Students published the first issue of this magazine, which bore the title Zion ’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence. That issue, printed by a commercial firm, had a printing of 6,000 copies in English only. Twenty-seven-year-old Charles Taze Russell was chosen to be the editor, with five other mature Bible Students serving as regular contributors.

    PART 1 T HE W ATCHTOWER— A UGUST 15, 2012 page 15 par.14

    (from the Large print Issue) In the regular format, the quote is on page 7 par. 14 .

    **Listener : …the WTBTS has printed that is now garbage.

    Yes , quite a few thousand of pages.

    **Wannabefree , ArbolesdeArabia, Vanderhoven7 :

    Thanks for your appreciative remarks.

    ***designs: maybe not, possibly the opposite as the “older” publications i.e. 1970’s ,1980’s ,1990’s , even the 2000’s can be used

    as written evidence of the Society ever changing and shifting opinion,teachings, ..ideas.

    **St George of England : True, but I wonder why the Society did not mention his name in their own written Report, like this brother /sister did, in a very accurate report, which included also a few pictures.

    When the new GB member Mark Sanderson gave a most heartfelt concluding prayer, the auditorium was a buzz with appreciation for one of the most memorable AGM’s ever.

    Konceptual99: Thanks for your appreciation and the interesting comments. We are “eagerly” waiting for afollow up on this matter.

    Greetings to all,

    Bats in the belfry : just to answer you :

    *** w64 6/15 365 Jehovah, the God of Progressive Revelation ***

    The holy spirit of Jehovah is working mightily today! How thankful we should be for the provision God has made of this slave class, the modern spiritual remnant, as they faithfully dispense the revealed truths of Jehovah!

    Furthermore as it was claimed by the Society ….years ago:

    *** g848/22p.28FromOurReaders***

    We surelywerenottryingtotakecheapshotsatthepopeortheCatholicChurch,norwerewecriticizingCatholics.TheCatholicChurchoccupiesaverysignificantpositionintheworldandclaimstobethewayofsalvationforhundredsofmillionsofpeople.Anyorganizationthatassumesthatpositionshouldbe willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism.Allwhocriticizehavetheobligationtobetruthfulinpresentingthefactsandfairandobjectiveinassessingsuch.Inbothrespectswetrytoliveuptothatobligation.—ED.

    and we must not forget:

    *** w57 6/15 370Overseers of Jehovah's People ***

    Such is true not by their determination of it, but because God himself has so directed. "God has set the members in the body, each one of them, just as he pleased," is the way it is pictured in 1 Corinthians 12:18 (NW). It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.

    Greetings to all for now,

    J.C. MacHislopp

    M sir82 posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:30:52 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    Because the slavebegan serving spiritual food back in the first century,and according to Jesus,the slave would still be doing so when the Master arrived in 1914.

    Well, thank God the Governing Body is around to correct Jesus' errors!

    M watson posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:41:57 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    Would love to have this work put into an outline that I can print out and "pass along".

    M Doubting Bro posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:43:59 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    I've been thinking about this and really am seriously considering the option that they did this to move some of their end time theology around. Somehow keep 1914 as a significant date, perhaps still the start of the last days but push all that 2 witnesses who are killed, trumpet blasts and other things that they've said has already been fulfilled to a more modern date to coincide with the appointment of the GB in the early 70s. They could say the Franz defection was the evil slave.

    I'd have to sit down with all the things they've said has already been fulfilled in the early part of the last century and map it over to the later part of the last century but since their first interpretation is made up, doing it again should be that hard.

    I can't think of any other reason for them making this change. After all, the other "annointed" have already been marginalized and aren't important. They're so small in number and most have a huge lack of standing in the organization that they're hardly a threat to the power structure. So, its not like they're pulling a coup since they have all the power and control anyway.

    If I get insipred, I'll pull some information and see if I could put something together. Of course, its a complete waste of time....

    Listener posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:10:40 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    Your point 3 about the evil slave *** w043/1p.13‘TheFaithfulSlave’PassestheTest!*** -

    A poster (Wodzz) on another forum makes a very good point about this. With their new light they have now announced the delay of the Master. Originally they said the FDS had been appointed the FDS over all his belongings on his return. They have now delayed his returned by announcing this has not yet occurred.

    Matt 24:48 "But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming'"

    M MacHislopp posted Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:45:49 GMT(11/12/2012)

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    Hello again to everyone,

    This few lines to rectify an error. The second quote beginning: “The evidence points to the following…”

    is not from the year 2004 but from the yeart 2012 ,when the statement was made at the Annual Meeting . I do apologize.

    2***Was the slave active in 1914?,

    Year 2004

    ***w043/1pp.11-12A“Slave”WhoIsBothFaithfulandDiscreet***

    The“Slave”19CenturiesLater

    16 What about today? When Jesus’ presence began in 1914, did he find a group of anointed Christians who were faithfully dispensing food at the proper time?He certainly did.This group could be clearly identified because of the fine fruitage that it was producing. (Matthew 7:20) History since then has proved this identification to be correct.

    17 At the time of Jesus’ arrival, some 5,000 domestics were busy spreading Bible truth. The workers were few, but the slave used a number of ingenious methods to spread the good news. (Matthew 9:38) For example, arrangements were made for sermons on Bible topics to be published in up to 2,000 newspapers. In this way, the truth of God’s Word reached tens of thousands of readers at once. In addition, an eight-hour program combining color slides and motion pictures was prepared. Thanks to this innovative presentation, the Bible’s message, from the beginning of Creation to the end of the Thousand Year Reign of Christ, was conveyed to audiences totaling over nine million on three continents. Printed literature was another avenue that was used. In 1914, for example, some 50,000 copies of this journal were published.

    18 Yes, when the Master arrived, he found his faithful slave conscientiously feeding the domestics as well as preaching the good news. Greater responsibilities now awaited that slave. Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.” (Matthew 24:47) Jesus did this in 1919, after the slave had passed through a period of testing. Why, though, did “the faithful and discreet slave” receive greater responsibilities? Because the Master had received an increase in his belongings. Jesus was given the kingship in 1914.

    Year 2012

    The evidence points to the following conclusion: “The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food . When this group work together as the Governing Body , they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.”

    Greetings to all, J.C.MacHislopp

    bats in the belfry posted Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:51:17 GMT(11/13/2012)

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    . . . from what I have read so far, CTR was the first Governing Body of modern times.

    How did this governing body make its appearance in recent times? Evidently under the direction of Jehovah God and his Son Jesus Christ. According to the facts available, the governing body became associated with the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. C. T. Russell was patently of that governing body back there in the last quarter of the nineteenth century.

    1971 The Watchtower, 12/15, p. 760

    Russell did not have to work together a s a group to be "the Governing Body", neither did Rutherford.

    I guess, Knorr and Franz, when working together, were a grouped Governing Body of two.

    . . . just like Noah and his family was an "organization" of eight.

    Muddy Waters posted Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:44:55 GMT(11/13/2012)

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    M MacHislopp posted Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:30:13 GMT(11/13/2012)

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    Hello everyone,

    Just to add some more problems to the “faithful & discreet slave class “ saga. The Society recently claimed that:

    Watchtower July 15 th 2011 page 12 paragraph 8 (Simplified English Version)

    "The organization has never disappointed us and always gives us an abundance of pure waters of truth from God's Word."

    So in the same theme let’s see some more:

    1950

    *** w50 10/1 p. 347 The Way of Success ***

    The Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society is not the great mother organization of Jehovah’s witnesses who have received the Kingdom truth through it and who cooperate with it world-wide, using it as their legal and business servant and advisory governing body ....

    However, what we see exemplified in God’s woman, his heavenly universal organization, we should look to see in his visible organization. Why? Because his higher, greater universal organization uses it as her earthly instrument. That is why we do see those motherly traits, those traits and acts of a virtuous woman, in the Watchtower Bible School of Gilead and in the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, because these profess to represent and serve God’s woman. We thank God for providing and using them. "

    1954

    *** w5410/15p.639QuestionsFromReaders***

    In fact, this ability to discard the erroneous as the light increases marks the difference between Jehovah’s true worshipers and the false religions of Christendom . When it can be clearly shown from the Bible that an idea once held does not have sufficient Scriptural support and that a different viewpoint has the weight of Bible testimony behind it, then the new viewpoint is adopted and the former understanding is set aside. To be too proud to do this is to have a pride that would presage a fall. (Prov. 16:18) Increased understanding of the Bible itself and growing proof from the Bible itself are the basis for altering the viewpoint. This organization is always probing and studying to find solid foundations in the Scriptures for its beliefs and as the light increases the foundations of our beliefs become stronger and stronger. We have ears to hear a clarified truth, not ears that refuse to hear. We have eyes to see the increased light, not eyes that refuse to see. We are anxious for new light and for new “food at the proper time.”

    1960

    *** w60 7/15 p. 437 par. 24 The Awake “Faithful and Discreet Slave” ***

    24 Properly, then, to this 1900-year-old “faithful and discreet slave” with its thousands of cleansed “domestics” Jesus next says: “Truly I say to you [plural, collectively], He will appoint him over all his belongings.” (Matt. 24:47) Those belongings are the interests of Christ’s kingdom on earth. With practical wisdom Jesus entrusts these Kingdom interests to his veteran, proved “slave” class.

    1964

    *** w64 5/15 p. 305 Maintaining Unity in Difficult Times ***

    " Jehovah’s witnesses in all the world receive their teaching based upon the Bible. The Bible explanations are given out by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, representing the "faithful and discreet slave" as mentioned in Matthew 24:45. This centralized and uniform teaching has very much contributed toward the unity among Jehovah’s witnesses throughout the earth."

    1975

    *** w751/15p.46HowAreChristiansSpirituallyFed?***

    WHEN THE“SLAVE”CLASSBEGAN

    When did this faithful “slave” come into existence? At Pentecost, 33 C.E. The first 120 persons upon whom holy spirit was poured out immediately set to work feeding the others invited to God’s spiritual feast, namely, the Jews, 3,000 of whom accepted the spiritual “food” offered and got baptized. After this the 3,000 continued to take in spiritual food until they were well strengthened. Many then went back to their homes in other lands, establishing congregations and continuing to associate together and to keep in harmony with the true teaching of the apostles.—Acts 2:1-4, 37-42.

    1981

    *** w813/1p.24DoYouAppreciatethe“FaithfulandDiscreetSlave”?***

    Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that this parable pertains to the one true congregation of Jesus Christ’s anointed followers. Beginning with Pentecost, 33 C.E., and continuing through the 19 centuries since then, this slavelike congregation has been feeding its members spiritually, doing so faithfully and discreetly. Especially has the identity of this “slave” become clear at the time of Christ’s return or presence. The “slave” is identifiable by its watchfulness and by the fact that it is faithfully and discreetly providing spiritual food as needed by all in the Christian congregation. Indeed, this “slave,” or spirit-anointed congregation, is the one approved channel representing God’s kingdom on earth in the “time of the end.” (Dan. 12:4) Witnesses of Jehovah understand that the “slave” is comprised of all anointed Christians as a group on earth at any given time during the 19 centuries since Pentecost. Accordingly, the “domestics” are these followers of Christ as individuals.

    1988

    *** it-1p.273Beating***

    Jesus foretold that at the time of his presence he would appoint “the faithful and discreet slave . . . over all his belongings.” God’s Son also spoke of an evil slave that would not be alert and anxiously watching for his master’s arrival. Such an “evil slave” would say: “My master is delaying.” Not only would he eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards but he would go further by beating his fellow slaves and opposing their work of providing the spiritual food at the proper time for God’s faithful slaves.

    *** it-1p.806FaithfulandDiscreetSlave***

    Thus the entire anointed Christian congregation was to serve in a united stewardship, dispensing such truths. At the same time the individual members making up such composite body, or the “domestics” making up the “house” of God (Mt 24:45; Heb 3:6; Eph 2:19), would also be recipients of the “food” dispensed. (Heb 5:11-14; compare 1Co 12:12, 19-27.) Expanded responsibility would result from faithfulness maintained until the master’s promised ‘arrival.’—Mt 24:46, 47; Lu 12:43, 44.

    *** it-2p.1035Steward***

    Jesus describes his body of faithful anointed ones on earth as “the faithful and discreet slave,” but as a slave they also serve as a steward for him, having had committed to them in these last days “all his belongings”—including the preaching of “this good news of the kingdom” throughout the earth, teaching those who wish to hear, and serving as God’s instrument to gather into association with the congregation the international “great crowd” that would survive the great tribulation.

    1989

    *** pechap.23p.195God’sVisibleOrganization***

    THEOCRATIC DIRECTIONTODAY

    13 God’s visible organization today also receives theocratic guidance and direction. At the headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Brooklyn, New York, there is a governing body of older Christian men from various parts of the earth who give the needed oversight to the worldwide activities of God’s people. This governing body is made up of members of “the faithful and discreet slave.” It serves as a spokesman for that faithful “slave.”

    2000

    The Watchtower August 1 st , 2000, p. 6, par. 3

    As Head of his congregation, not only did Jesus keep a watchful eye on his anointed footstep followers on earth but, since the outpouring of the holy spirit at Pentecost 33 C.E.,he has also used them as a channel of truth, as a "faithful and discreet slave." (Matthew 24:45-47; Acts 2:1-36)

    By the look of it , the Society will need more …corrections/clarifications/adjustement of understanding etc. etc.
    Greetings for now ,
    J.C. MacHislopp
    P.S The Society’s 2011 CD Rom contains 1675 ref toi the term “faithful and discreet slave” Only one in the Bible Matt. 24:45
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