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Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org
|wannabefree||Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 29 Sep 2012 20:15:50 GMT (9/29/2012)|
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***g7/09p.29 Is It Wrong to Change Your Religion?***
"No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family."
Ironically, the religion and publisher of this statement is one of the biggest offenders with their shunning policy of its members who come to the conclusion that their form of worship is unacceptable.
For some, this severe shunning is too much to bear.
...help me through this my old friends...i really did not want to be dfd!...i am fourth generation....i had already been shunned by my lifelong friends due to my outspoken words regarding my discovering we had changed the bible to make it say what JW'S want it to...but now i have lost my family....oomps
....something is horribly wrong for WT and FDS not to be able to see the pain this jwd group has experienced due to their rules and regs (not what the bible mandates), and is causing families so much grief.....there is no way in the world a loving god would want families to experience this much pain!....and even urge families to not speak to one another!....geeze...that is just..........sorry, no word for it .......oompa
...they say the shunning they do is out of love...to try and get us back in...even if they know we just simply dont believe anymore...as long as we go sit in their building enough...we are back in...and then we are hypocrites...they hold our family and old friends hostage...and the ransom is us going back in the building....stoopid and sick......oompa
where is the wt quote about nobody should have to choose between family and a religion? sorry i have read it several times here including this past week and can not find it...i have tried to block out my parents in my mind and heart to no avail...no contact for at least six months and i am thinking about sending them an email and including this quote....doubt it will help but i feel the need to do something....at least let them know i am not ok with this total shunning shit....holding my family and friends hostage does not make me want to "restore my relstionship with jehovah"!!!!!....nor go back to that religion....it makes me bitter is all...an ya....i need to let go of that....but this religion just keeps taking and taking and taking more of what was my life away..................oompa
still not used to my parents totally shunning me... thats all....its so hard...nobody should have to lose their parents twice............oompa
i know i am not alone in how much some of us have lost....and so much loss and pain...that i even thought of a last dich effort to save my marriage by going back to the...kindom hall
i am increasingly challanged and am having serious thoughts about going back for some stability i need in my life....but part of me thinks i would die inside...i may be at a crossroads
Rest in peace Eric aka Oompa
|Scott77||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:26:20 GMT (9/29/2012)|
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Watchtower shunning is unchristian, horrific, tragic and very destructive. It has to stop.
|whathappened||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:35:01 GMT (9/29/2012)|
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It is time we as individuals decide we should do all we can to educate the public about this dangerous cult. We must use every opportunity to engage people in meaningful dialogue, doing so to reach their hearts and minds, lovingly, so as not to scare people away from the warning we are givIng.
I am making it a personal goal to tell everyone I meet the truth about jehovahs witnesses. When I see the magazines left in laundramats or waiting rooms I will personally destroy them.
We can each make a difference. We must stop this crazy cult as best we can.
Love to all mourning the loss of our dear OOMPA.
|somebody||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:47:00 GMT (9/29/2012)|
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On top of my tears, I'm speechless, wannabefree.
peace to you,
|VIII||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:07:40 GMT (9/29/2012)|
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I just logged on and read the thread on oompa. I am so sad.
I do take every opportunity to yell people about the Jdubs shunning, in context. They are always shocked.
|wasblind||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:13:52 GMT (9/29/2012)|
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Oompa's story will be forever told though the archives of this site
a true testament of the fruitage produced by the WTS
Oompa lives on through this site, he cannot be swept under a rug
and hidden. This site and others like it continue to expose the dangers
of this cult
Thanks for this site Simon
|clarity||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:37:16 GMT (9/29/2012)|
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Other than here I never knew Eric, but reading Oompa's posts,
was always with some apprehensive concern.
In the back of my mind, I'd think ....geez is he going to make it.
Strangely enough ... even tho he was 4th generation JW, & surrounded by
people who knew him so well ... not one of them had enough love to come to
his rescue. At least not successfully!
I wonder why that is .....doesn't the only TRUTH have any power?????????
Or is it like Mathew writes "having a religion, but proving false to it's power!"
The things this man called out for, were normal,... support of his wife, children
and his 'brothers'. Pretty much.
What did he do that was soo bad that a handful of common men in Brooklyn
could take it all away. Really! What could be so bad? He yelled at them?
Was that it? Or was it that a lifegiving fluid entered his blood stream? Was that it?
His life was evidently saved after his awful accident ... did that piss them off?
Oh Eric how we all wish you hadn't let them win
|frankiespeakin||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:56:59 GMT (9/29/2012)|
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Sometimes emotional pain can be very great and it seems that our world as we, used to love and know it will never be the same, and we fall deep into the pits of despair. Nobody should be considered weak if they see no other alternative to end the pain than ending one's own life. So I make no judgements for I don't know but can only guess about how it feels to be in those shoes based on my own view of the world which basically is a projection.
It's a choice that is all, no one is right and no one is wrong in this choice, because it is personal.
But that being said, the Governing Body is still guilty of hanging on to a delusion and causing a mass loss of life among it's members, both among those that no longer believe and those that still beleive in the Governing Body inspired and emphasized delusion of an appointment in 1914 to be spokeman for the Most high Creator of the universe to the world with eternal damnation for those not responding or beleiving properly.
Thier means of enforcing this delusion consist of immediately disfellowshipping those who raise doubts and a never ending indoctrination of unsuspecting member. Surely that makes them very culpable and guilty, even if they are victims themselves of thier own delusion.
|perfect1||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sun, 30 Sep 2012 00:17:16 GMT (9/30/2012)|
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His picture has hit me rather hard. I am just another person in the internets, but anyone who feels like Eric did can PM me anytime and I will try to help or listen. Dont do this! This is a terrible tragedy. I never knew what to post in his threads, but I wish I had. Maybe it would have helped.
|loosie||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:48:09 GMT (9/30/2012)|
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god I hate the Wt society all over again. why do they do this people? I'd rather have 1 Oompa back then 100 GB members.
It's stragne how you can cry for someone you've never met. Bye Oompa.
|wannabefree||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:41:13 GMT (9/30/2012)|
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Article by Marvin Shilmer which proves that Watch Tower is well aware that shunning kills.
|diorama||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:09:03 GMT (10/13/2012)|
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It made me feel v sad too Loosie though I did not know him.
In the past I have been in the state of despair that Oompa was in, though unrelated to the wt.
Connection would be a lack of love I guess, isolation but because of having no family rather than having family ordered to withhold love.
I think that the wt actively enforce this removal of love of family support from humans is shameful hateful and murderous. They have no right and its inhumane.
If householders knew that this was the deal when witnesses call at their door offering lurid magazines full of happy images of humans in paradise hugging animals and relate in a phoney ~ I feel your pain about the state of the world.. (small print being-wait, join us and we’ll really mess up your world)
Then well people would not want anything to do with them, but no they save the good stuff till you are snared and all your chips are handed over and then used as ransom.
Damn them. They offer lies and steal life.
They are an insult to humanity.
An additional post script here, Im sure you are aware but it’s worth saying as a warning-to look out for-well for anyone on line who may be feeling increased depression/suicidal ideation.. As often after suicides/reports of suicides there is something that is called the Werther effect, suicidal contagion cluster effect.. As in others can feel suicidal and statistically can suicides increase.
Take care all.
|tresdecu||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:45:29 GMT (10/13/2012)|
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Some one here, more savy than me should put together a pdf file that is concise and damaging to the wt with shunning info...we can all email it, to as many as possible. TV, newspaper, etc...
I just emailed the religion writer at our city paper...I am hoping by next years DC, he will have more to write than the usual fluff.
Reading Oompa's post and knowing he took his life due to the emotionl pain that the WT promotes through Shunning is sickening.
|Eustace||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:04:49 GMT (10/14/2012)|
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That's a very good idea.
I'll give it a try and post it within the next few days.
Anyone else who wants to try can do so too.
|tresdecu||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:25:52 GMT (10/15/2012)|
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Thank-you so much!
I thought if we all had a simple pdf with info, many of us could email to as many news outlets, radio talk shows, etc that we can think of.
|DATA-DOG||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:07:48 GMT (10/15/2012)|
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Very sad. Seeing his face makes a big impact for me. He seems like he was a fun person.
|blindnomore||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:27:30 GMT (10/15/2012)|
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Contrary to their own public version of July. 09 Awake, notice what the latest Watctower Study articles say.
w5/15/2012, para 13 on page 26:
13 Jehovah hates sin, and so should
we. Indeed, we ought to move as far
away from wrongdoing as possible and
not see how close we can get to it without
being overcome by sin. For instance,
we need to guard against succumbing
to apostasy, a sin that would make us
unfit to glorify God. (Deut. 13:6-9) Let
us therefore have nothing to do with
apostates or anyone who claims to be
a brother but who is dishonoring God.
This should be the case even if he is a
family member. (1 Cor. 5:11) We are not
benefited by trying to refute the arguments
of apostates or those who are critical
of Jehovah’s organization. In fact,
it is spiritually dangerous and improper
to peruse their information, whether
it appears in written form or it is found
on the Internet.—Read Isaiah 5:20; Matthew
w January 2013
19 On the other hand, if you choose the path of resentment
What a deceitful organization! No wonder the Watchtower has 2 different magazines. One for the recruit(public version) and the other to control dedicated members(study atricle).
|Splash||Re: Shunning - Irony, Hypocrisy and Tragedy - Watchtower jw.org posted Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:15:13 GMT (10/15/2012)|
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I've never commented on any of the oompa threads because I didn't really know him and I didn't want to be a "me too" kind of sycophant.
But you know, I just have to.
I read his agony and I feel crushed for him.
I look at his picture and the hairs on my arms bristle up in emotion.
How can a person, with dreams and needs and friends and life, how can they be driven to...
I don't know. It's inhumane. It's just not right.
I'm sorry oompa.
I'm sorry you were so sad, so lost.
I'm sorry I didn't know you more.
I so wish with all my heart that things had been different for you.
Peace to you dear oompa, and your loved ones.
Splash. x x