Why Expansion to Upstate - Here's the Answer

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    seenitall posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:33:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    Expansion of Wallkill to double in size - why? Warwick property?

    Here is why it should be - JW Retirement Center for Ministers of the Full-Time Servant Order.

    There is such a lack of care for retired CO, DO, Missionaries, Special Pioneers without real funds.

    A Real Retirement Center with care provided and Hospital staff.

    It will never happen, but if it did, what a change of heart by the GB for the beatup and thrown out full-timers who will never have to die in this old system! Instead of the local cong & circuits and wealthy bros taking care of them - headquarters would have it.

    Thoughts by others?

    M james_woods posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:35:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    You really have to be kidding yourself if you think they have the slightest notion of doing anything for their rejected elderly full time people.

    Found Sheep posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:39:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    The only ones that get nursing care are the GB and maybe some high ups, the rest could die on the street for all they care.

    Phizzy posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:40:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    No, they expect the family, often non or ex Jw to take care of elderly or sick ones who gave their life for the Corporation for no pay, and ended up with no money or home.

    Cynical hard-hearted bastards is too polite a label for the GB and the faceless money men behind them.

    M undercover posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:43:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    JW Retirement Center for Ministers of the Full-Time Servant Order.

    This would seem more likely:

    Annointed Pointe

    An exclusive golf and country club for Governing Body members of the Jehovah's Witnesses faith.

    seenitall posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:44:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    I know - it was put out as a challenge and thought for many of the older ones entering their final years to consider. There is real resentment and bitterness from the group that pushed the theories of never having to die, not raising children, staying single, not re-marrying and giving your estate to WTBTS. With sale of Brooklyn bldgs, downsizing of mags, no subs, credit / debit card machines and other things - a fear of what's next?

    GB.2 is here and watch out for what is in store!

    M OnTheWayOut posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:48:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    There is no real "expansion." Two properties gets new buildings and the Brooklyn facilities lose more working/living spaces than the new ones gain.

    It's a money thing, selling property that's been renovated by free labor and inflated in value while paying no taxes on it. The new rural properties are lower in value now and buildings can be built with more free labor. The members think they are working for God, the giant printing corporation gets a handsome profit. WIN-WIN.

    Retirement Center? HA HA! You send those middle-aged Bethelites packing and let them be the burden of their families. They feel they did it for God. WIN-WIN, at least in WTS's rose-colored glasses.

    M undercover posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:51:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    it was put out as a challenge and thought for many of the older ones entering their final years to consider.

    It's a noble challenge, to be sure.

    But this isn't the first generation to pass into old age, without retirement pensions, having skipped raising famililes, staying single, etc. From the early days to now, several generations (real time, not WT fantasy generations) have passed believing the same thing, expecting the same thing as the generation previous.

    If the WTS didn't give a shit about those already gone, they're not gonna give a shit about those on the way out now.

    M james_woods posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:51:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    No, they expect the family, often non or ex Jw to take care of elderly or sick ones who gave their life for the Corporation for no pay, and ended up with no money or home.

    And that is after they promised these people that they would never get old or have to face retirement - new system was all the social security they needed.

    M wha happened? posted Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:14:00 GMT(4/9/2012)

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    not unless it was like soylant green. 45 minutes and then you're gone

    dog is god posted Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:55:00 GMT(4/11/2012)

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    Just where does all that money go????????

    botchtowersociety posted Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:15:00 GMT(4/11/2012)

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    They'll be resurrected into magazine feed stock before that happens.

    Bubblegum Apotheosis posted Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:02:00 GMT(4/11/2012)

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    What kind of provisions are made for faithful missionaries, Bethelites,and Traveling Brothers who pursued "real treasure" in Heaven but are currently penniless on Earth? Who is responsible for their quality of life, are they "used and dumped" into the loving care of their "worldly family"? The modest penion they receive, will go far in Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Burma, Mexico, Panama if their health can hold.

    Who is responsible for taking care of the elderly JWs, the ones who abandoned all other things but Kingdom Interest? The identifying mark of "love" is not suppose to fall short on those who served Jehovah, they should not be saying, "I have no delight". The WT, Awake, Platform preached this fate was for the ones who did not sacrifice their lives to God, again, not the ones who did! This game is well played, pretend you care about the elderly ones, but don't get to close to them, they might, could or will take time away from "Public Witnessing!"

    Remember howcharity to involve yourself other than preaching, teaching or serving the high level ones, it waste precious time that could be spent preaching! Depressed sisters are not a good investment of time, they are a "sunk cost" and it's wasteful to pour your good solid resources (Time to find new younger ones) on these black holes of emotion and time. All efforts are the "slight of hands" trick, distract the eyes to avoid seeing members who are hurting in the group, by propping up the All Stars whose light will block the spiritually weak ones.

    maisha posted Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:13:00 GMT(4/12/2012)

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    Quite clearly they should have COUNTED THE COST before offering themselves for service, if they didnt count the cost then they were not serving the god of love properly.

    designs posted Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:45:00 GMT(4/12/2012)

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    Its a wonder Paul Ryan hasn't been offered a position of the Governing Body.

    Giordano posted Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:57:00 GMT(4/12/2012)

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    The society could have linked assisted living residences to assembly halls (ie same property same building time, volunteers etc) and specify that the funds that are generated from the assembly hall pay for or offset the old age home. Handled correctly they might have even turned a small profit.

    They certainly had the buildings in Brooklyn to handle the aged, the poor and the ill. But no that wasn't the plan that concept was way to christian. They could have converted bethals that are being closed into facilities......but no that's not in the plans.

    If I was a witness reading these posts I'd be red faced with embarassment. The WT is a money grubbing corporation who's few good deeds are offset by a complete lack of responsibilitytowards their human resources.

    My advice......get out of this dreadful organization and start planning for your old age.

    designs posted Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:03:00 GMT(4/12/2012)

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    For all of their money-hungry pleadings they miss a good business sitting right under their noses Senior Living Centers.

    panhandlegirl posted Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:39:00 GMT(4/12/2012)

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    Designs, you're right. They could make that into a business. I think it's so sad that they treat those people so badly after they have given their lives to the organization. I guess they don't even have any Social Security to fall back

    on. The so called F/DS-GB has no feeling or love for the flock.

    panhandlegirl posted Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:00:00 GMT(4/12/2012)

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    Quite clearly they should have COUNTED THE COST before offering themselves for service, if they didnt count the cost then they were not serving the god of love properly.

    Maisha , these poor souls believed that the "NEW ORDER" would come in their lifetime and they would have all their needs met. They did not expect to grow old and weak in this "System of Things." Remember? The end was

    supposed to come in 1975; about 35 years ago! Who would have thought the GB/F&DS didn't know what the heck they were talking about. Thank goodness some of us had the brains to figure it out and get out while we could still

    make plans for the future. The organization owes them something, but hell will freeze over before they get any help for the GB/F&DSLAVERS!

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