Do I have this right?

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    allyouneedislove posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:40:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Do I have this right?

    JW are to be completely obedient to the FDS. They are not to question, speak against the teachings of, or disobey the FDS.

    However, the FDS's teachings change and many past teachings are now seen as incorrect.

    Still, though, JWs are to completely and unquestionably obey all teachings of the FDS, no matter if they personally believe such are wrong or if they carry severe consequenses.

    M leavingwt posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:42:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Yes, this is how cults work. The leader(s) gives the orders, and everyone must obey or be excommunicated.

    ziddina posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:44:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    It's called "spiritual slavery"....

    nugget posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:44:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Yes the FDS are gods representatives on Earth so even when they are wrong they are right.

    M james_woods posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:46:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Yes, (and it sounds like a loony comedy sketch on Saturday Night Live) - but this really is JW reality.

    M besty posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:47:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    why do you ask?

    blond-moment posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:48:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    1. Yes, to question the F&DS is to question God himself. Their recent literature even states "you must obey the F&DS to have Jehovah's approval" They say jump, JW say how high and how far. (no joke that was actually said in a talk) It is rampant thru the literature how they equate themselves to God and Jesus, they speak for God, they are needed for salvation and that they are your mediator (Jesus is only the mediator for the 144K) The WT really is their god. They idolize the WT.

    2. Yes the teaching can flat out contradict each other, make no sense, sound insane (overlapping generations anyone?) but the F&DS just toss it up to "new light" new understaning, even if that understanding was used before and rejected. Doesn't matter. You must follow that, see #1.

    3. They must, MUST believe what they are told. If they don't, and it gets out that they don't, they can and will be DF, most likely for apostatsy. Failing to follow #1. Doesn't matter if you can prove from the bible the F&DS is wrong, doesn't matter if you can prove from the literature the F&DS is mistaken or lying. Doesn't matter. Death (DF) or obeideince.

    LV101 posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:51:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    "Yes, this is how cults work" and what a privilege people have in this country to be ignorant enough to join and be conned -- and the laws protect the cults. THIS MAKES ME SICK!

    blond-moment posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:55:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Ignorance isn't to blame. Slick mind control can work on even very intelligent people. The JW do tend to have a knack however on focusing in on those down on their luck, mental issues, etc. But look around this board, very intelligent people in here, look into mind control, anyone can get duped if they don't understand the tricks being used.

    The WT is very slick.

    00DAD posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:58:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Actually the concept of the Faithful and Discreet Slave (FDS) is a JW Myth. They do not exist. It is the front that the GB use to assert their authority, much like in the Wizard of Oz.

    Regarding the anointed that supposedly make up the composite FDS, the GB recently said this:

    • "We thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know. The Governing Body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones." - Question From Readers, w2011 8/15 p. 22 - Emphasis added

    In practice, the "FDS" is probably the GB, but it's actually impossible to find out who's really at the helm of this thing. More and more, I'm beginning to suspect some shadow individual(s), probably a lawyer or accountant or some cadre of those ilk.

    M thetrueone posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:00:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Since most of the WTS's long standing doctrines such as 1914 are starting to unravel, its not surprising that they would crank

    up " You must obey and not question them " proclamation. These are nothing more but decisive controls to maintain their power

    and sustain the organization for which they hold the highest position within.

    Goes to show how far fear and ignorance can be played out onto people and coercively exploit them to your own means.

    M james_woods posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:04:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Slick mind control can work on even very intelligent people.

    John Travolta has made millions playing in the movies, and can fly his own jet plane - but he is still a Scientologist.

    In practice, the "FDS" is probably the GB, but it's actually impossible to find out who's really at the helm of this thing. More and more, I'm beginning to suspect some shadow individual(s), probably a lawyer or accountant or some cadre of those ilk.

    You know - as much as I despise silly conspiricay theories - this does not sound completely unlikely. A little inner circle of lawyers may well be controlling the legal, commercial, and business situation - while they let the GB play around in their geriatric doctrinal playpens.

    Wizard of Oz posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:06:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    are to completely and unquestionably obey all teachings of the FDS, no matter if they personally believe such are wrong or if they

    Go with what ever you think..........get the heck outta there

    woz

    blond-moment posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:13:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    "You know - as much as I despise silly conspiricay theories - this does not sound completely unlikely. A little inner circle of lawyers may well be controlling the legal, commercial, and business situation - while they let the GB play around in their geriatric doctrinal playpens.

    I think the same thing. I too don't like the conspiracy game, but this is a business. I believe the GB is given the illusion of control, but are just puppets themselves. Doesn't let them off the hook however.

    wannabefree posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:17:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    many past teachings are now seen as incorrect

    Well, according to the Watchtower, I don't think they technically would say they were "incorrect" ... the light just got brighter and an adjustment was needed.

    LV101 posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:46:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Yes --- you are correct about them being very slick but it's wrong what they do to people.

    allyouneedislove posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:25:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Seems like a break in logic. I have tried to find an example in scripture to show that this type of theocratic structure is OK or an example that mirrors it.

    M heathen posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:56:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Once I did question openly the generation teaching way back in the 80's and was quaintly told that if I didn't agree I should go ahead and start my own religion because that was the current light the gen of 1914 would not pass away. I swear that was probably the best advice I ever got from a dub . I eventually gave up on religion all together .

    factfinder posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:25:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    Yes. My jw brother believes that obedience to the slave/gb is more important than anything else.

    If you disobey the slave/gb you are disobeying Jehovah.

    F MidwichCuckoo posted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:38:00 GMT(4/4/2012)

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    It's exciting being a JW, because you don't know what your beliefs will be from week to week.

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