An interesting twist on shunning - would they ever do this?

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    therevealer posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:57:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    THE WATCHTOWER ? FEBRUARY 1, 2012 11

    Making the needed changes in our lifestyle
    was not easy. I had stopped growing tobacco
    because doing so conflicts with Bible principles.
    (2 Corinthians 7:1; James 2:8) It took
    some time before we found acceptable employment
    that provided a steady income.
    Also, for many years after that, some of our
    relatives refused to visit us. We tried to treat
    them according to Bible principles by showing
    them love. Eventually, the barriers came
    down, and now our close relatives no longer
    shun us.

    M wha happened? posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:59:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    In very rare cases have I seen non JW's relatives shun, mostly it was because they got tired of getting preached to

    Conan The Barbarian posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:04:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    All of our relatives will have nothing to do with us because of religion. This is no big loss by the way.

    therevealer posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:09:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    Thanks for the reply and ALSO what I thought was interesting is that they would include that in the article. These relatives were obviously upset that they "changed" their religion, yet they relented. Would the dubs ever do the same? I leave them and they will NEVER relent.

    Also I think the word shun simply comes from his mind set. Truth is the other relatives simply ignored them.

    diamondiiz posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:13:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    Since the guy was a Muslim converted to a JW, it's not surprising his family would shun him especially when talking about older Muslim generation. The irony is that if the guys kids left wts he would probably shun his kids until they returned to the wts.

    therevealer posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:38:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    my point exactly....

    F blondie posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:38:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    ziddina posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:55:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    As with Christians who cannot understand that atheists do not "believe" in the theory of evolution because the Christians DO "believe", so also the Jehovah's Witness family members would translate their non-believing relatives' discomfort and social avoidance as "shunning", because that is their main frame of reference.

    They are embedded in that mindset...

    Chariklo posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:16:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    THE WATCHTOWER ? FEBRUARY 1, 2012 11
    Making the needed changes in our lifestyle
    was not easy. I had stopped growing tobacco
    because doing so conflicts with Bible principles.
    (2 Corinthians 7:1; James 2:8) It took
    some time before we found acceptable employment
    that provided a steady income.
    Also, for many years after that, some of our
    relatives refused to visit us. We tried to treat
    them according to Bible principles by showing
    them love. Eventually, the barriers came
    down, and now our close relatives no longer shun us

    Well spotted, therevealer!

    I have a feeling that they are aware that the world, i.e. everyone else apart fropm JW's, are increasingly criticising this horrible practice. So they've turned fact on its head and are deliberately using the "shun" word to imply that it''s the world that does the shunning; the good Christians following the WT are merely seprating themselves from Satan's influence.

    Propaganda, pure and simple.

    Disillusioned Lost-Lamb posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:57:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    I too see the irony in this paragraph; we’re supposed to be tickled pink the family eventually came around, but if the tables were turned no “true” witless would ever concede.

    This reeks of a wash-towel spin cycle to me.

    I would like to know if this is what actually happened; what “barrier” was there really?

    Did the family come around to accepting him, or did he really have to lower his barrier instead?

    Most non-witless people don’t actively practice shunning; did his family actually shun him?

    Or

    Did he chose to discontinue associating with them because the WTBT$ pushes the idea of disconnecting yourself from worldly friends and family who don’t accept the “good news” and, since they got a craw-full of wash-towel BS, they asked him to knock-it-off?

    tiki posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:20:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    The relatives refused to visit them? That means they were pursuing their relationship with the worldlies...which means they weren't towing the line like all those quotes Blondie has so carefully plucked out for the group. It's just another one of those obnoxious little digs about how wonderful an example some unknown person sets. Absolutely no proof, just little carefully devised statements.

    M BluesBrother posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 20:27:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    This experience in Awake 2005 9/1 p25 describes a family of Mennonites who became Witnesses . Shock and horror at their treatment from the old community :

    A few days later, the church elders came to the home of Johann’s family with an ultimatum for the interested ones: “We heard that Jehovah’s Witnesses visited you. You must forbid them to return, and unless you hand over their literature to be burned, you face expulsion.” They had had just one Bible study with the Witnesses, so this presented a formidable test.

    “We cannot do as you ask,” replied one of the family heads. “Those people came to teach us the Bible.” How did the elders react? They expelled them for studying the Bible! This was a cruel blow indeed. The cart belonging to the colony cheese factory passed by the home of one family without collecting their milk, denying them their only source of income.

    Again , what would happen if the family went the other way???

    00DAD posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:09:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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    This is just ANOTHER example of the blatant hypocrisy of the WTBTS and their mindless followers.

    They have no problem justifying behavior and actions on their part which they would loudly condemn if done by others!

    Translation:

    • When I do it, it is GOOD. When you do it, it is BAD!
    • I am GOOD. You are BAD!
    • Whatever I do is GOOD. Whatever you do is BAD!
    • My actions, beliefs and behaviors define what is GOOD; yours defines what is BAD!
    • Even if we think, believe or do the same thing, it doesn't matter: when I do it, it is GOOD; when you do it, it is BAD!

    Iamallcool posted Fri, 23 Mar 2012 23:48:00 GMT(3/23/2012)

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