GB "disfellowshipped" November 20, 1992 -- fulfills 1290 days.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 is quite clear about the specific order of events in regards to the second coming:

"Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness getgs revealed, the son of destruction."

The "apostasy" here is referring to the apostasy within Jehovah's own modern-day organization, JWs.  The "man of lawlessness" rises up in God's own house and makes himself a god over all the other "gods" or glorious ones.   This means the MOL is part of God's organization and house and makes itself superior to the anointed ones associated with JWS.  This can only be the GB of JWs, which claims to be "God's channel of communication" and thus cutting out direct communication of holy spirit and Jehovah with the other anointed.  

For this reason they were "disfellowshipped" on November 10, 1992.   That is, a letter was sent to the GB and the Writing Committee revealing to them that the GB had become a god to the rank and file who now regarded what was in the Watchtower more significant than what they find in the Bible.  If there was a conflict, for instance, many witnesses insist it is not their responsibility to correct it or put the WTS to task, but to "wait on Jehovah" to correct it through his channel.   This is not God's plan.  

The notification to the GB itself, though, fulfills a version of the 1290 days.  That means the second coming would arrive exactly 45 days later to fulfill the "1335 days" (Daniel 12:12), which it did.  The 2nd coming did occur on December 25, 1992, 45 days after a letter was sent to the GB essentially "disfellowshipping" it from Jehovah's Heavenly Organization.  

So we are experiencing another prophecy fulfilled, that is, that the revelation of the "man of lawlessness" and the associated apostasy within the WTS would come before the 2nd coming took place.

The GB was told at that time that Jehovah was casting them into "spiritual darkness" and that is more than evident now by all their misguided falste teachings.  Teachings like:

1.  That the second resurrection occurs during the millennium.  WRONG   It occurs during Judgment Day which occurs after the millennium and after Satan is killed.

2.  That Jesus died on Firday, Nisan 14.  WRONG.  Jesus died on Thursday, Nisan 20th.

3.  That Christ returns invisibly and not in the flesh.  WRONG   The "antichrist" would make that claim.  Christ returns in the flesh to rule for 1000 years.

4.  That 607 BCE is the date for the fall of Jerusalem.  WRONG!  Even if 537 BCE actually was the year the Jews returned from Babylon, 70 years prior marks the date of the last deportation, year 23 of Neb-II, and not year 19, the year Jerusalem was destroyed.   So 607 BCE starts off being wrong based on that "relative chronology."   Turns out trusting 539 BCE as a "pivotal date" in ancient history was also a mistake and contradicts Bible chronology.  The Bible dates the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE in the correct fulfillment of the "70 weeks" prophecy, so 537 BCE for the return from Babylon is also an incorrect, non-Biblical date.

5.  The WTS teaches that since 1914 those of the anointed who die go straight up to heaven if they were faithful.  WRONG!  1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 clearly shows that ALL, TOGETHER would get their heavenly reward and that no one precedes another to heaven.  That underscores their misunderstanding of the 1st resurrection, which is first back into the flesh for the 1000-year reign, and then later they are changed to heavenly bodies. 

6.  The WTS thinks the "woman and her seed" represent Jehovah's heavenly wife and Jesus Christ as her seed.  This never works since if Jehovah is married to the heavenly angels, what about Satan and his followers?  Aren't they part of the heavenly host?   So was Jehovah married to a schizophrenic wife, half good and half bad?   The fact is, the "woman and her seed" is a reference to Satan himself and his followers who oppose Christ and his followers.  This is played out in the battle in heavren as found in Revelation where Christ as Michael the archangel battles with the dragon/serpent, Satan, and his angels.  Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven.    Satan is called the "woman" at Genesis 3:15 because in heaven, Satan occupied the position of one of the covering cherubs represented on the ark of the covenant.  These two cherubs are unique and dwell on holy Mount Zion and were considered as close "companions" and thus married.   Thus Eden is the setting of Christ's divorce, who was the other covering cherub, Michael the archangel.  Consistently, Christ's wife on mount Zion becomes the church, the anointed ones from the earth (1,440,000; 144,000 natural Jews, 1,296,000 gentiles) who marry him and become his bride.  Thus the church replaces Satan as Jesus' wife/woman.  The WTS is no where near understanding this. 

The WTS is now a barren wasteland as far as truth is concerned. But this is as prophesied, they have no spiritual insight and are spiritually blind.  But they blindly spew out their false conceptions trying to hold on to their image as "God's channel."   But since the Bible also identifies them as the "false prophet" and the lamb-dragon beast out of the earth (i.e. the "earth" represents Jehovah's recognized organization, the "sea" represents Christendom), it will soon be destroyed "while still alive" along with Christendom in the very near future.  If Armageddon is supposed to occur this year to celebrate the end of the cosmological era on December 21, 2012, then the WTS will be destroyed this year. 

SUMMARY:  The WTS' Governing Body was "disfellowshipped" from Jehovah's Heavenly Organization on November 10, 1992 via a letter sent to them by one of the chosen anointed ones.  Since that time the WTS has been cast into spiritual darkness, which is more than evident by all their false teachings.  In the meantime, "new light" has been given to others.   After Christ comes in and removes the true Christians within the WTS, that is, separates the sheep from the goats, then Jehovah and Christ abandon the organization to its own destruction.   This fulfills 2 Thess. 2 which requires the revelation of the "man of lawlessness" prior to the second coming occurring, which it did.  In fact, it fulfills the 1290 days/1335 days prophecy since the 2nd coming occurred on December 25, 1992, exactly 45 days after the GB was informed they were the "evil slave" and the MOL.  So another detail of Bible prophecy has now been fulfilled.

LS

ANOTHER FALSE INTERPRETATION:

FOUR BEASTS OF DANIEL:  Oh, another very clear false interpretation is that the four beasts of Daniel are successive world powers!  They are not!  They all exist at the same time.  Now that should be clear because the last beast mention is killed before the other three.  If this was successive then all the previous beasts would have been summarily killed as well since the previous empires make up the takeover power.   Further, the Bible clearly says these beasts were in full power since they do not give up their rulership until after the 4th beast is killed!    So the WTS missed that one.

The four beasts are:

LION - JAPAN

BEAR - RUSSIA

WING, 4-HEADED LEOPARD WITH "POWER INDEED" - The U.S. and allies which clearly are the hands-down military superpower in the world.   So the Bible actually prophecied one block of nations would rise up and dominant the military scene, which it has.

4TH, MYSTERIOUS BEAST DESTROYED BY FIRE:  Cross-reference this to Babylon the Great being destroyed by fire by the U.N. and you know who the fourth beast is.  This beast is linked with the secret world of the "mysteries" from Babylon and Egypt and control the world through world banking and world finance.  Look what they have done in modern times.  They created an economy that if not bailed out by the government would crash the world economy.  So BTG is the ultimate global economy terrorist.  And the governments talk about their national debt all the time.  Well to whom do you think they owe all this money too?    However, this manipulation is about to end.  All the funds of BTG will be confiscated and that stystem will be completely burned with fire.  Thus the end of Babylon the Great and the end of the 4th Beast are one in the same.

Now do JWs have that?!!!  No.  That means they won't recognize Armagedon until the people start dropping dead.  But "tbose with insight" know the most critical event that will take place before Armageddon is the U.N. take over of world government and the end of the BTG-influenced secret societies, such as the CIA, CFR, Federal Reserve and many others.

Tje stage and setting in which these events will occur is being fulfilled.  The UN is ready to take over.  Already Obama is requiring the member nations to pull their fair share of UN peace-keeping missions, including putting up the manpower and the money.  So it's not an issue of the US not wanting to give up its authority or rulership; they can't afford not to now. They gladly welcome the other nations coming in to help.

2012 MILLENNIUM?   The baktun is a period of time of 144,000 days used in the Mayan calendar that ends on December 21, 2012.  Christ inherits the flesh in connection with the winter solstice and identifies with the sun.  December 21, the winter solstice, is often referred to as the "birth of the sun" since that is when the sun begins to return and create longer days.

So just looking at world events, and considering it is approaching 20 years since the 2nd coming already (1992), how wonderful it would be to begin the millennium of Christ's reign in recognition of the natural cosmological end of an era and beginning of a new one as pointed out the Mayan calender, which just happens to use a unit of 144,000 days in its calculation and ends the era on the winter solstice, another time of the year significant to the coming of the messiah.    Remember, Jesus was born in the Fall and thus was conceived in the winter around the time of the winter solstice.   At the second coming, Christ became flesh on December 25, 1992. 

What does that mean in modern terms?

What that means is that perhaps, allowing say six weeks to 2 months for Armageddon itself, which pushes us back to October 2012, there will likely be a global collapse of the economy, a solution of which will be to outlaw the Federal Rerserve, the CFR, the CIA and other BTG-connected agencies and confiscate their funds.   In this case, it means wiping out the world debt.   That's not hard to do if world bankers are accused of money laundering drug cash and participating in arms sales.  The CIA, of course, is knee deep in this already, both promoting the local drug market and then using the funds for arms.  The CIA is the "little horn" that does so much damage in the world, but is considered as an agency of Babylon the Great.  And why not?   Skull and Bones created the CIA.  

Even so, by the time Armageddon is to start, the world (Obama?) will declare "peace and security" having been achieved.  So world rule by the UN will be short.  Ironically, Obama uses that very catch phrase all the time:  "peace and security."   This is very eerie

There is a distinct spiritual advantage to postponing Armageddon to the very last moment, of which we were forewarned.  We are told Armageddon might seem "delayed" but it "won't be late."     Huh?  Well that's possible if "Armageddon" was previously scheduled to be a longer event or to occur months ahead of the millennium actually beginning.   So though that window might be shortened as far as beginning Armageddon or the "great tribulation", it will end on time.   It may not begin on time, but it will end on time.

LS

Larsinger58, like the Watchtower, your audience is dwindling. Two responses in 2 hours and both are yours. Add mine to the list of responders.

Alcoholics Anonymous is a wonderful organization with a lot of wonderful, devoted people.  The only problem with this agency is that they want you to stop drinking!

No it isn't.

The problem with AA is the claim that they are the only way to learn how to stop drinking.

Larsinger, you lost me at the beginning of the second paragraph when you claimed the WTS to be Jehovah's modern day organization. I will agree that the WTS is an element of the "man of lawlessness", in the same way the Catholic Chruch is an element,  but my opinion is the House of God is refferring to true Christians, collectively, regardless of the "christian" institutions in which they find themselves.

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Huh?!

Sorry, posts were so long and full of jibberish I dozed off.

Sorry Lars the only significant event in 1992 was the Olympic games in Barcelona. Are we to really believe the entire Bible was staged just to tell us the Olympics would be in Barcelona or some GB member would be disfellowshipped ? Tahts the grand purpose of the BIble ?

IRONDORK:  Larsinger, you lost me at the beginning of the second paragraph when you claimed the WTS to be Jehovah's modern day organization. I will agree that the WTS is an element of the "man of lawlessness", in the same way the Catholic Chruch is an element,  but my opinion is the House of God is refferring to true Christians, collectively, regardless of the "christian" institutions in which they find themselves

Okay, short and sweet.   Two points.

a) The entire nation of Israel was God's anointed people, but one tribe was the temple tribe, the Levites.  Same with the Christian covenant after the apostasy.  JWs serve as that sprecial "temple" within Christianity. 

b)  No "true religion" existed after the apostasy which covers 1260 years ending the covenant period in 1996.    The Book of Daniel references the  "temple" would be in its right condition after 2300 evenings and mornings.   So basically there is no temple for the 2300 evenings and mornings for the period from 736 to1996  (736 + 1260 = 1996).   However one Christian sect would be recognized as the temple in its right condition for the last 110 years of the apostasy period/covenant period ending in 1996.   An "evening and morning" is one day so we are talking about an apostasy and no temple sect recognize for 1150 years; that is, the first 1150 years of the apostasy period.  That leaves 110 years for the temple in its right condition from 1886 to 1996.   1886 is when the first "Studies in the Scriptures" was published.   So JWs serve as that "temple in its right condition" from 1886-1996.

Now some don't see it, but that's where that comes from.  A critical issue is the celebration of the Memorial.  JWs do it once a year on Nisan 14th a it should be.  The rest of Christendom doesn't do it that way, but celebrate the pagan Easter holiday.

The "man of lawlessness" comes out of God's own house, meaning out of the WTS.

SEE THIS VIDEO ABOUT "JEWS AND JWS":  

Jews and JWs

ls

It's been 1290 days since my last Taco Bell. If that ain't prophetic I don't know what is.

Flat Accent:  

That's right!  You've got 45 days to get back in there and get some hard shells!  Don't forget the taco sauce!\

LS

No way, lars! It was my first time trying the stuff - they only got Taco Bells recently in my corner of the globe. They looked great, but as usual, the food doesn't live up to the picture. :(

Larsinger: Amazing how fantasies spawn more fantasies. Doesn't it bother you that everything about you and the WTS is always "invisible" and "spiritual"? I mean, what if you're spinning moonbeams? If the WTS is God's true church on Earth, then where is the leadership while the GB is in the grips of apostasy? And who, exactly, sent the GB their letters of disfellowshipment?

What if the whole Jehovah's Witness thing is a figment of your imagination? What if God had nothing to do with its organization? What if biblical prophecy has nothing to do with any of it?

There's no evidence that the formation of the WTS was anything more than a bunch of people coming together and forming another church? I can get an ordination certificate on the Internet. It'll have my name on it and it's suitable for framing. I can even form a church and establish my own fulfillment of prophecy with a Bible and a calandar. So where did the WTS ever get its authority. When did God ever send an angel or proclaim it via an apostle or prophet? Never! I just got off a website by the Restored Church of God, which claims to be the only church on Earth. "The Restored Church of God, led by Pastor General David C. Pack, is commissioned by Jesus Christ to: Announce the good news of the kingdom of God to all nations (Matt. 24:14), including warning the modern nations descended from ancient Israel of impending national punishment (Isa. 58:1-2; Ezek. 33:1-19) and Feed God’s flock called out of the world and into His Church (John 21:15-17; I Pet. 5:1-2)"

He's just another guy who claims God has called him to lead the "true church."

If I were going to join a church, it would be just like the ancient church, with a quorum of twelve apostles, with revelation and other gifts of the Spirit. But I'd never trust in the arm of flesh. So you tell me who appointed the GB...and if God did, then who disfellowshipped them? Did God? If so, how?

Be more specific in your posts, okay?

Lars; interesting premise. But it all falls apart on the assumption the the WBTS is or ever was Jehovah's modern day organization.

Cold Steel.   You said: "Larsinger: Amazing how fantasies spawn more fantasies. Doesn't it bother you that everything about you and the WTS is always "invisible" and "spiritual"?

Almost, but not quite.  The elect see the "sign of the son of man" which is a physical image in the clouds.  This image is depicted in the "Revelation Book" by tghe WTS, proving it is seen by the elect and that they understand it.   So everything is not "invisible" for us.  The promised "sign of the son of man" is not only visible but photographable.  It was arranged that it appear to a skyscape photographer who knew me so I could have a photo of it.   

Everything is not spiritual and invisible, and I can see why God saw the need to have at least one aspect of everything be physical.  It kills the idea that all this is just possibly a figment of one's imagination.  

So why don'[t you comment on the fulfillment of the appearance of the "sign of the son of man" for us.  It's a physical sign proving the Bible is true.  What do you have to say abou it?  Thanks.

LS

I think Gordon Ritchie beat you to it on this one JCanon. He was teaching this over ten years ago.

Prophecy is of no private interpretation. The JWs take Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 12-14 and they give absolutely horrendous exegesis to such passages. I watched the video and was appalled at how a people with no spiritual discernment can take very clear text and then give it a spin that no Christian scholar on the planet would understand or agree with.

When the scriptures say "Jerusalem" they mean Jerusalem! Israel had not gathered when the Witnesses were started as an organization. That means that they had to give the scriptures new and bizarre interpretations. If one is to give non-literal interpretations to scripture, one mush show where in the scriptures that type of exegesis was given in the past. The JWs can't do it! Preterists think that all prophecy has been fulfilled, and that it was fulfilled in the First Century A.D. They, also, cannot make a case.

Ezekiel 38 must be taken literally. So mush Zechariah 12-14. If not, show how and why a "spiritual" interpetation can be given.

Check out the vast majority of Christian churches. The JWs are the only church that twists scripture to fit its own ends.

Just show ONE such prophecy in the scriptures. ONE prophecy that was spiritually fulfilled according to the New Testament.

You won't be able to.

>So why don'[t you comment on the fulfillment of the appearance of the "sign of the son
>of man" for us.  It's a physical sign proving the Bible is true.  What do you have to say abou it?

What's there to say?

The sign of the Son of Man will not be given until Jesus returns to Jerusalem and His feet stand on the
Mount of Olives. Actually it will appear some time before that event. When it happens, I'll let you know.

It will be a literal fulfillment, though. Some say it will be a comet, others something else.

But they'll be wrong. All will see it, and all will wonder.

Just show ONE such prophecy in the scriptures. ONE prophecy that was spiritually fulfilled according to the New Testament.

You won't be able to.

Or fulfilled in any way that doesn't require interpretation.