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Still a hard line on DF family members WTApr15 2012

    M Gladring posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:38:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    The April 2012 WT study article has some of the most strongly worded statements about contact with disfellowshipped family members.

    Page 12, paragraph 17: -

    17 Consider just one example of the
    good that can come when a family loyally
    upholds Jehovah’s decree not to associate
    with disfellowshipped relatives. A
    young man had been disfellowshipped
    for over ten years, during which time his
    father, mother, and four brothers “quit
    mixing in company” with him. At times,
    he tried to involve himself in their activities,
    but to their credit, each member
    of the family was steadfast in not
    having any contact with him. After he
    was reinstated, he said that he always
    missed the association with his family,
    especially at night when he was alone.
    But, he admitted, had the family associated
    with him even a little, that small
    dose would have satisfied him. However,
    because he did not receive even
    the slightest communication from any
    of his family
    , the burning desire to be
    with them became one motivating factor
    in his restoring his relationship with
    Jehovah. Think of that if you are ever
    tempted to violate God’s command not
    to associate with your disfellowshipped
    relatives.

    M Gladring posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:39:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/w_E_20120415.pdf

    Direct download link for the pdf.

    sabastious posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:43:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    because he did not receive even
    the slightest communication from any
    of his family , the burning desire to be
    with them
    became one motivating factor
    in his restoring his relationship with
    Jehovah. Think of that if you are ever
    tempted to violate God’s command not
    to associate with your disfellowshipped
    relatives.

    ^ Some of the most deplorable language on this planet. The Watchtower is obviously lucidly aware of family shunning's upsides for their organization. They will die with that ace in their cold dead hands.

    -Sab

    Room 215 posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:44:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    Thanks Gladring... there's a palpable undercurrent of desperation in their stridency; they're losing their grip on the flock and they're rattled!

    donuthole posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:45:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    The WT is aware of what a tool their shunning arrangement is.

    The guy in this example had really no interest in "restoring his relationship with Jehovah", but rather with his family vis-a-vis the organization.

    pontoon posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:49:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    poopsiecakes posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:49:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    Anyone who questions whether or not this is a cult should read that paragraph a couple of times. Yikes.

    F blondie posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:49:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    I always wondered although Satan had been cast out of his family, that the book of Job shows that Satan still was allowed in heaven and talked to God. Not a very good example for God to set for parents.

    pontoon posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:54:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    So the person came back not because he loved Jeh, but because he missed Mom's cooking. Isn't that the wrong motivation? Dude is gonna die at Arm.. anyway

    M Gladring posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:55:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    Agreed Sab.

    What's more is they say that it is God's instruction. They won't put their own name to it because then they could be held accountable.

    sabastious posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:55:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    I always wondered although Satan had been cast out of his family, that the book of Job shows that Satan still was allowed in heaven and talked to God. Not a very good example for God to set for parents.

    That is because God hadn't made a cartoon yet depicting Jesus-Michael the Archangel casting Satan to the earth in 1914, silly! You see, until Jesus was throned King of Heaven there didn't seem to be any acknowledged leadership in heaven. Sure God was there but he seemed to just tear around the hallways steaming pissed and yelling, "You don't like your Mana! That's all we got you insolent whelps! Jesus-Michael, is it 1914 yet?"

    -Sab

    F lisaBObeesa posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:59:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    Jehovah’s decree not to associate
    with disfellowshipped relatives.

    Jehovah's decree??

    Well, now the witnesses can't say it is up to their conscience. (My sister loves to say that it is up to her conscience, that the Org does not make her shun mom.)

    But that is not true.

    They are not allowed by their religion to speak with family members who leave the religion.

    They have no choice.

    Never let them tell you they do!

    sabastious posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:01:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    What's more is they say that it is God's instruction.

    The hypocrisy is great and my stomach churns when I really think about it. I think Jesus puts it nicely:

    Mark 7 - 6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

    “‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
    7 They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are merely human rules.’

    -Sab

    Yan Bibiyan posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:02:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    Also, note in the preceding paragraph:

    "...REMAIN LOYAL TO JEHOVAH

    16 There are members of the congregation

    who committed serious sins and

    who were reproved “with severity, that

    they may be healthy in the faith.” (Titus

    1:13) For some, their conduct has

    required that they be disfellowshipped.

    For “those who have been trained by it,”

    the discipline has helped them to become

    spiritually restored. (Heb. 12:11)

    What if we have a relative or a close

    friend who is disfellowshipped? Now

    our loyalty is on the line, not to that

    person, but to God. Jehovah is watching

    us to see whether we will abide by

    his command not to have contact with

    anyone (emphasys NOT mine) who is disfellowshipped.—Read

    1 Corinthians 5:11-13."

    Tell me, why do they need to point special attention to "anyone"? And "Jehovah is watching us" WTF, like a prison guard, not like the loving father he is supposed to be...

    There are more gems in there. Poor drones are in for a rough ride.

    Will Power posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:05:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    I would say the JWs are easily the GOATS.

    Matthew 25
    The Sheep and the Goats

    31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

    Dutch-scientist posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:08:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    Again propoganda stuff. It seems that they like the way: you can destroy family or you beat some one only if the victim in a later stage will be an JW.

    DS

    No Room For George posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:13:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    bigmac posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:35:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    is this word "disfellowshipped" found anywhere in the bible?

    M wha happened? posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:53:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    I agree with the point about the fear of losing control. With the amount of children not staying in, there's likely alot of communication with wordly ones. With so many out there now, perhaps only the grandparents are in now, they all can't be mentally deseased

    nugget posted Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:53:00 GMT(1/12/2012)

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    so we have gone from necessary family business, to careful about what is classed as necessary family business to no contact whatsoever. They are friving the wedge in further. How much more disgusting can this organisation get,

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