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Higher Education and Disqualification for Privileges in the Congregation

    00DAD posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:40:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    When I was still serving as an elder in the late summer of 2006 in a congregation of JWs in SoCal we received a letter from the "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" (READ: the Governing Body) directing that ANYONE pursuing a higher education would be disqualified from privileges of service: Elder, Servant, Pioneer, etc. I remember this quite distinctly because I had just received by BA in Education in June a few months before this. In 2002, I had decided to pursue a degree under the Society's then current "it's a personal decision" policy and was quite shocked at their drastic policy change. I was also angry because (by implication*) I realized that I they were trying to make me (and anyone else that pursued a similar course) feel bad because they changed their mind.

    Also, it was very clear that if that letter had come a few months earlier I would have been forced to make a decision to either quit school or be forced to resign as an elder! Completely ridiculous!!! I felt really bad for anyone that was currently in school and put in this dilemma by these capricious, insensitive louts.

    I did not make a copy of that letter. Has anyone got a copy?

    * The implication in the letter was words to the effect that anyone pursuing higher education had no faith in Jehovah or His organization and was a bad example. You get the idea.

    baltar447 posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:42:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    Yes it ridiculous.

    Cadellin posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:44:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    This thread is too long for me to read.

    Alfred posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:48:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    Depends on the CO... if he's an oldtimer, he might refrain from giving an elder an assembly talk if he has kids in college... if it's a new CO, he'll probably just look the other way...

    00DAD posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:52:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    When I was still serving as an elder in the summer of 2006 in a congregation in SoCal we received a letter from the "Christian Congregation of JWs" directing that ANYONE pursuing a higher education would be disqualified from any privileges of service: Elder, MS, Pioneer, etc.

    I remember this distinctly because I had just received a B.A. in Education only a few months before in June of that year. In 2002, I had decided to go back to college and get a degree under the Society's then current "It's a personal decision" policy.

    I was, needless to say, quite shocked at their sudden and drastic policy change that was made without any explanation or justification. I was also angry at the implication made that I (and of course anyone else that had pursued such a course) had shown a lack of faith in Jehovah and his organization by such a choice and that I was therefore a bad example!

    I had already been having major issues with the organization for several years and this was one of the final straws. I was completely outraged by the realization that, had this letter come just a few months earlier, I would have been forced to make a decision to either quit school or resign as an elder, simply because these capricious, insensitive men that claim to be God's Representatives on earth can't make up their mind!

    I did not keep a copy of this letter. Does anyone have a copy? It should have been around early Fall of 2006, but it could possibly have been 2007 because I received my credential then and might be confusing the awarding of my degree with the credential.

    Thanks,

    Daniel

    Violia posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:56:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    oodad

    I'm seeing blank posts

    00DAD posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:00:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    When I was still serving as an elder in the summer of 2006 in a congregation in SoCal we received a letter from the "Christian Congregation of JWs" directing that ANYONE pursuing a higher education would be disqualified from any privileges of service: Elder, MS, Pioneer, etc.

    I remember this distinctly because I had just received a B.A. in Education only a few months before in June of that year. In 2002, I had decided to go back to college and get a degree under the Society's then current "It's a personal decision" policy.

    I was, needless to say, quite shocked at their sudden and drastic policy change that was made without any explanation or justification. I was also angry at the implication made that I (and of course anyone else that had pursued such a course) had shown a lack of faith in Jehovah and his organization by such a choice and that I was therefore a bad example!

    I had already been having major issues with the organization for several years and this was one of the final straws. I was completely outraged by the realization that, had this letter come just a few months earlier, I would have been forced to make a decision to either quit school or resign as an elder, simply because these capricious, insensitive men that claim to be God's Representatives on earth can't make up their mind!

    I did not keep a copy of this letter. Does anyone have a copy? It should have been around early Fall of 2006, but it could possibly have been 2007 because I received my credential then and might be confusing the awarding of my degree with the credential.

    Thanks,

    Daniel

    00DAD posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:04:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    When I was still serving as an elder in the summer of 2006 in a congregation in SoCal we received a letter from the "Christian Congregation of JWs" directing that ANYONE pursuing a higher education would be disqualified from any privileges of service: Elder, MS, Pioneer, etc.

    I remember this distinctly because I had just received a B.A. in Education only a few months before in June of that year. In 2002, I had decided to go back to college and get a degree under the Society's then current "It's a personal decision" policy.

    I was, needless to say, quite shocked at their sudden and drastic policy change that was made without any explanation or justification. I was also angry at the implication made that I (and of course anyone else that had pursued such a course) had shown a lack of faith in Jehovah and his organization by such a choice and that I was therefore a bad example!

    I had already been having major issues with the organization for several years and this was one of the final straws. I was completely outraged by the realization that, had this letter come just a few months earlier, I would have been forced to make a decision to either quit school or resign as an elder, simply because these capricious, insensitive men that claim to be God's Representatives on earth can't make up their mind!

    I did not keep a copy of this letter. Does anyone have a copy? It should have been around early Fall of 2006, but it could possibly have been 2007 because I received my credential then and might be confusing the awarding of my degree with the credential.

    Thanks,

    Daniel

    botchtowersociety posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:05:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    I was made MS one year after graduating college. So if it was a rule, it wasn very well enforced back then.

    if it's a new CO, he'll probably just look the other way...

    That is what I think happened. Several years prior, he told me "well if you feel you have to go, go."

    M sir82 posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:20:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    It's a fairly new rule, within the past 2 or 3 years.

    Elders' MS qualifications are supposed to reviewed only if the elder and/or offspring are "promoting" higher education, or if it is known that they are attending for the purpose of "becoming wealthy" or something like that.

    I.e., when an elder and/or family member attends a university, the attitude and motivation are supposed to be important.

    If the attitude & motivation are not what the WTS deems "appropriate", then the elder/MS is "disqualified".

    As usual, the policy is intentionally written vaguely. Some BOEs will attack with a vengeance, disqualifying anyone whose son/daughter so much as receives a brochure in the mail, while other BOEs will have their own children attending universities willy-nilly with no repercussions at all.

    I am unaware of any case of "reviewing qualificiations" under this policy in the immediate area where I am.

    Then again, where I am, it's a fairly wealthy area. The usual procedure for high school graduates is that they pioneer while living at home, while mommy & daddy subsidize their pioneering with loads of spending money, $25,000 SUVs, etc. The most motivated of them work 15 hours a week at a Starbucks or equivalent.

    As a result the local congregations are filled with 20-something slackers sponging off their parents. Oh, but they are "spiritual" because they are pioneering.

    Dutch-scientist posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:23:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    I also see blank post here 00DAD?

    drewcoul posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:11:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    00DAD:

    You're probably Usint IE9. Go up to tools and go to compatability view settings and check the box that says "Display all websites in compatability view"

    That should take care of it.

    breakfast of champions posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:11:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    The "reviewing of qualifications" for elders and MS whose children or themselves attend college was a major point at the last Elders/MS "school." So far, I haven't heard of anyone being brought to trial over it, but then again, very few witnesses go to school ,period.

    What is the society afraid of? Critical thinking skills-- something that has been emphasized over and over in my few weeks of college experience.

    MrMonroe posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:45:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    I'm running Firefox and can't see some posts.

    F Gayle posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:54:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    It would interesting to hear any real issues going on about it.

    Of course, since so many elders are old and now have grown children, they wouldn't have that issue. Then, some have younger children that aren't at age for that anyway or no children. So the majority may not have any issue about.

    Then, the ones with a grown child, still at home, may require them to pioneer, while going to a local community school. I have heard to some supporting their daughters while going to school for LPN.

    But it crazy, that anyone now-a-days is going to college to get rich, unless going as a lawyer or doctor. Going to college only gets many into entry level, however,,they still can move on the higher positions if they have a degree but still takes time and experience for higher levels.

    It's so backwards to discourage kids to go on to college if they have an inclination to study and work for something specialized.

    dontplaceliterature posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:41:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    This issue is one of the biggest reasons I started having a mistrust of The Governing Body. I heard about this for the first time at the Minsterial School for Elders and Servants back in November of 2010. I joined this forum the following month.

    Now, I'm not sure that I could ever be convinced to remain a Jehovah's Witness for the rest of my life.

    EmptyInside posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:00:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    My brother is an elder,and I asked him if this was the case. Can an elder or MS be removed if any of his family attend college? And he said especially if their children attend college away from home,their qualifications would be reviewed. It doesn't necessarily mean they would be removed,but it is up to the rest of the elder body.

    He mentioned the reason being is that an elder can't discourage college on the platform while his children are attending college.

    Hairyhegoat posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:20:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    The elders an ms carn't afford not to let their school leaver kids go to collage as they will loose over £3000 in child tax credits and child benefit if they push the kids into full time ministry... Knocking doors won't pay the bills will it. These morons need a kick up the assssssssssssss

    HHG

    F Gayle posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:25:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    He mentioned the reason being is that an elder can't discourage college on the platform while his children are attending college.

    I agree. It would make anyone a hyprocrite to preach 'no college' when he has children going to college. Sad, though, they would/could do this when a person is otherwise qualified. But elder's cannot have their own personal conscience, even if it squelches their own children to have a better job in life.

    Hairyhegoat posted Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:33:00 GMT(9/19/2011)

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    I think this will mean less elders and ms, great news if you think about it..Time for a rebellion in the Kingdum hells.. Yeh bring it on.. The groverling botty have shot themselves in the ass with this one. If I was still in and was told my kids should not go into higher education by the elders.. the police would have to be called and an ambulance aswell. WHO do these morons in crookly think they are? If you are still in rebel against this crap, or better still tell the elders to shove the truth up their ass and get out of the cult.. and take as many with you as you can..

    HHG

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