New light emerging?

So, just recently ( I believe it was the September 1 WT) there was the thought that only the "incorrigibly wicked" will be destroyed at Armageddon. At the recent visit of the CO, several times he brought up the idea that the "great crowd" will be far more people than just the 7M JWs on earth today.
All my life I was raised thinking only JWs would be the GC, and the other 99.9% of humanity would be fertilizer. Is what I'm reading and hearing here going to be some sort of 'new light'?

If we don't have to become JW's to survive, then why become one?  That's what I told the elders when they came to my house to talk me into coming back to the meetings.  I said, "Don't you teach that only JW's will survive."  They said, "No, Jehovah reads hearts."  My response was "I know for a fact the WT teaches that you have no chance of surviving if you aren't a JW.  So if you are telling me that that we don't have to be JW's, why should I go to the meetings?  If I have a good heart, then I guess it wouldn't really matter if I go to meetings. Also, there's no point in preaching because if they have the right heart condition, then they would survive Armageddon anyway."  

Another question I asked them was "If I don't go to meetings, then will I die I at Armageddon?"  They refused to give me a straight answer.

It'll be interesting if this really does develop ~(somehow I doubt it!). As Mr. Freeze indicates it will negate the preaching activity.

Hey BOC

that is true. i checked it out on JW.org and it is sept 1st issue.

Interesting to look at definition of incorrigible! i wonder what that will mean for the preaching work/ sheep and goats etc

If they try that, I will be right here waiting.....

Nah.  That's a public edition WT.  Window dressing.

The targets won't find out what the WT definition of 'incorrigibly wicked' is until they are well hooked.

It's still a good quote for playing Cog Dis games with a Dub though.  Especially if you have an audience.

MRFREEZE/CANTLEAVE - yes, even my wife said to me that basically the preaching work is meaningless if the lil 'ol church lady down the street escapes the big A because she is not uber-wicked. What's the urgency of preaching when most folks are pretty well- meaning citizens?

WILDELOVER - if I'm not correct, I believe the whole sheep/ goats thing was scrapped years ago, but this seems like a further step towards a more moderate position.

ATJ - I do think they're trying it!

BLACKSHEEP - Yes, when I saw it in the public edition, I thought it was just propaganda for the public. But the CO himself was saying that it would be a GREAT CROWD - not just 7 million. In the end, I know it's all bullshit, but it is quite interesting...

Come on guys, this is probably nothing more than PR spin. Something they're really good at. The REAL meaning will be found in the koolaid WT.

The WT presents a tolerant facade to the public.

Only when you become an insider do you learn that the WTS believes that even a lot of JWs won't make it because they aren't dedicated enough to Jehovah.

Give up your jobs and pioneer, people!

BALATAR447/DING- my cynical side (which is undeniably dominant now) is with you. It's just PR.

But the CO's point was so strong, our service group the other morning was like, "What the hell are we doing out here when we could be sitting home, drinking coffee, reading the paper and being not incorrigibly wicked?"

But the CO himself was saying that it would be a GREAT CROWD - not just 7 million.

I use those moments to get a shot in.

There are plenty of articles that define who isn't going to get in.  E.g. 'heart condition' is used by my many Dubs to make them not look culty, but the WT articles also give a definition of what Jehovah uses to define 'heart condition'.  The Dub is either trying to fool you, or doesn't know his own doctrine.  Either way, they need an education and I'll give them one.

They go back and forth on this one.

The whole idea of an organization militates against the plain sense of the scripture. I mean, a great crowd which no man was able to number? Really? Compared to a cult that keeps careful statistics and records of each publisher's name and status? 

How is that supposed to work?

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Some more liberal-minded JWs that I've known have said that the survivors of the big A would more than just JWs. So that idea is not really anything new in my experience. Yeah, I agree it's usually a ploy to get people in/keep people in, but some JWs actually believe it.

I could be mistaken, but I remember the WT published something in the 90s that hinted at this. It had my family in heavy discussion. I find the WT puts out something every once in a while to make it look more nuanced. It's usually so ambigious that no one really takes notice, and the status quo is kept in check.

Core Concept: Salvation Only for Jehovah's Witnesses

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/salvation-only-for-jehovahs-witnesses.php

At the recent visit of the CO, several times he brought up the idea that the "great crowd" will be far more people than just the 7M JWs on earth today.

The "foreigners" . . . to be slaves and "gatherers of wood" for them . . . in their elitist utopia.

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