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    F Lynnie posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:41:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    I'm still amazed that the WTBTS still don't allow women to wear pants to meetings etc. Is this a disfellowshipping offense?

    mummatron posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:51:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    It's not, but it is frowned upon.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/212073/1/The-J-Dub-Culture-of-Skirt-Wearing - discussed 2 or 3 months back.

    M BluesBrother posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:07:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    Is this a disfellowshipping offense?

    I don't know if you are being serious.....if not, then I fell into it but of course not!

    Pants (trousers to us) are indeed frowned upon. They would not be permitted on an Assembly platform but it is not that big a deal. Women do wear jeans when working. Construction sites of J W HAlls are full of jeaned women and they do wear them for leisure...

    This illustration was from an Awake

    F Lynnie posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:22:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    Yes I am serious about it possibly being a DF offense, a new rule could have been put into place for all I know!

    Band on the Run posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:51:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    What is wrong with well-tailored neat trousers? I'm not talking casual pants, such as chinos, or God forbid, blue jeans. It is strange in the photo that none of the jeans are blue jeans. I was one the first to wear blue jeans outside of a farm field or ranch. Mini skirts, too. Braless, too. We were forbidden to wear them at school. A girl wore them anyway and the lawyers said we could all wear them.

    My jeans were bell-bottoms and well-worn, from Greenwich Village. People were so envious. We bought men's jeans.

    F Lynnie posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:58:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    Yes I remember when we couldn't wear them in Junior high but by the time I got to high school they had given up on that rule. I couldn't even wear jean to the movies according to my mother.

    It's just such an annoying rule, especially when you are out in service in 20 degrees freezing your butt off! It boils down to what I hate the most about the JWs, that men have all the control and make sure the women know it. I've always had a problem with men in religious power since they tend to use it for their own agendas. I've always thought women were much more spiritual then men at any given time.

    TotallyADD posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:03:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    As my wife grandmother use to say women wearing pants was doing the devils work. Of course she was Free Methodist. Now in WT land pants on women has always been a no no at meetings and field service. After all we don't want the women to think they are superior over the men. Something about pants and women that gets the GB going ape. LOL Totally ADD

    FatFreek 2005 posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:06:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    You mean if the U.S. Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, got baptized -- she'd have to abandon her wardrobe when attending meetings or going out in service? The very wardrobe she wears when engaged in formal meetings with heads of state?

    Hillary, you ought to be ashamed?

    Len

    No Room For George posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:13:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    Considering some of those awful grandma dresses some really conservative sisters wear, really nice pant suits should be acceptable. We've all seen those sisters who look like Church Lady from SNL. Big huge ankle length floral dresses with shoulder pads, and white pantyhose. Terrible!! Working in a white collar enviroment, I see all sorts of professional women in business suits, and they look sharp.

    FatFreek 2005 posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 22:11:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    dm6 posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:15:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    LOL fatfreak at the hilary pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Band on the Run posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:30:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    I think dresses reveal much more than fitted or loose trousers. Why don't JW men have to wear robes and prayer shawls as Jesus, Peter, Paul, and others did? I can't imagine Jesus is a tacky business suit with tie.

    I was very active in women's groups. My goal was to write about emerging feminist issues so I read many recent cases of sexual discrimination. The airlines had very strict, silly rules for stewardesses. Pink suitcases were forbidden. There was a weight rule and contact lens rule. No rules existed for men. My roommate interned for a conservative Congressman from Ohio. They were ordered to wear heavy makeup. One of his highest female assistants actually took a ruler and measured skirts to make certain they were short enough.

    Again, the WT presents us as silly creatures with no business decorum. Also, our sexuality must be smashed while their sexualty is holy. The whole male/penis worship was too much for me. It was funny b/c it was one the one subject I could mention to my JW grandmother. She agreed with me. If there were ever a born feminist spirit, it was my gm. It ended with an audible sigh, and that is the rule for now, until Armageddon. The women in my family were womanly and strong. Men pulled down the gene pool.

    I had another roommate whose mother lovingly gave her an entire set of fuschia luggage.

    WontLeave posted Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:57:00 GMT(8/9/2011)

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    For every frigid winter day JW women are freezing, there is a summer day the men are hating their jackets.

    Personally, I love the skirt culture, as it makes discrete flashes and diddling in the back seat of a pioneer's minivan possible and quickies easier in the bathroom, during the service meeting. Unfortunately, I doubt many JWs are taking advantage of this aspect.

    I have to wonder if the thought of turning a young "sister" over one's knee, hiking her skirt up, and giving her a sound paddling for having low hours or sporadic meeting attendance are dancing in the doddering old GB's minds when they make up rules like this. It's like "theocratic Viagra".

    Sam Whiskey posted Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:01:00 GMT(8/10/2011)

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    Oh geez, Hillary Crinton....

    Mad Sweeney posted Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:53:00 GMT(8/10/2011)

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    ANYTHING can be a disfellowshipping offense if when counseled on it by the elders you respond with a "brazen" attitude.

    If a woman insists on wearing pants to meetings she will lose her privileges (as meager as those are). Then, if she tries to spread the pants-wearing or is counseled on pants-wearing and is intransigent, the elders can DF her.

    The Oracle posted Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:59:00 GMT(8/10/2011)

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    A great example of insanity in action.

    If you are a JW woman reading these posts,

    Have you ever wondered? -

    "Am I trapped in a mind control cult?"

    The Oracle

    Bungi Bill posted Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:24:00 GMT(8/10/2011)

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    This is yet one more example of WTS hypocrisy.

    They are always very quick to condemn "Christendom" for imposing man-made rules and regulations, yet seem oblivious to the fact that they are doing exactly the same:

    - and no more so than over this matter of dress and grooming.

    Nowhere in the Bible does it prohibit women from wearing trousers (no translation that I have ever read, anyway!), likewise no scripture condemns men for wearing beards. This very fact was raised during the mid-1970s, when the emphasis was suddenly placed on the role of ones conscience should play in deciding such matters. At least one Australian congregation (Newmarket, in Brisbane) acknowledged that dress and grooming were quite correctly matters to be decided by an individual's conscience. To that end, brothers were not hasselled for wearing beards, and sisters were permitted to wear trouser suits in field service, at the meetings and even on the platform. At one point, nearly all the congregation's ministerial wore beards.

    However, it was as if the WTS then feared it was loosing control of matters, and after a few years they re-imposed the WTS Talmud. In effect, each individual was notified "We will tell you what your conscience is telling you. You, yourself are incapable of knowing."

    Bill.

    WontLeave posted Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:32:00 GMT(8/10/2011)

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    @Bungi Bill

    Do you speak purely from personal knowledge or can you cite a source for this? I find congregational freedom being seized by "Mother" very interesting. I enjoy reading about things like the Menlo Park situation.

    exwhyzee posted Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:45:00 GMT(8/10/2011)

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    Because my sister is already very attractive, anything she wears that is in anyway stylish makes her stand out and a target for criticism. When she was about 19 or 20 the Circuit Overseer talked to her and my Mom after the meeting about the knee length suede boots she was wearing with a below the knee wool skirt. They had a slight platform and a narrow heel but otherwise they were really pretty simple but they did look quite elegant . He said that back in New York, only prostitutes wear boots like that. We don't want to give the wrong impression or cause anyone to stumble anyone in our Ministry.

    My Mother was incensed and quipped. "In the Societies own literature, only Harlots are shown with extremely long blood red finger nails like the ones your wife wears. I wonder how much of a distraction they are to the householders out in the ministry as she presents the magazines or turns the pages of the Bible" Then turned on her heel and walked off, pulling my stunned sister along with her.

    My Mom was awesome !

    Band on the Run posted Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:02:00 GMT(8/10/2011)

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    Great mom! She had spunk.

    I hate Hillary's pants suits. Of course, in her defense, she is no slave to corporate fashion dictates. I wonder how Angela Merkel dresses.

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